singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
Topic:
Homosexual redux
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Christians duty is to stand up for God's Word, for it is not only His spiritual code of conduct but ours. Homosexuality is a sin—the lifestyle is considered abominable by God, not the person, for if they choose they can repent and be transformed by God. I don't go around bashing people in the head with it, but I will speak up about it if the situation arises. The greatest victory the devil gets is when believers don't do or say anything. I’m a curious person so actually have a two part question for you, as the first person to mention it... While marriage obviously has a specific religious significance to you as a Christian, the significance is different for people of other religions, and to those with no religious affiliation at all. Do you feel that only Christians should be allowed to marry? If homosexuality being an abomination is the main reason Christians protest their right to “marry”, then shouldn’t women who wear men’s clothing and people who; sew two kinds of seeds in their soil, wear clothes woven of two different cloth, eat shellfish, re-marry their ex wives who have had another husband, craft molten or graven images, also be denied the legal right to marry? According to the Bible, these and 102 other things are ALL abominations in the eyes of the Lord. I would like to understand why every Christian I know takes more offense to homosexuality than to any other abomination. Might I add it says stone them to death and they don't, so none of them are standing up for the word of God. The Bible explicitly states the exercise of free will, God wants people to come to him of their own volition because He knows forced obedience just harbors resentment and rebellion. The Bible also states judge not, for that is God's province. So we should not judge others who exercise their free will, regardless of how repulsive or deranged from nature it is. God will sort it out. I do not condone homosexuality, but it is not my place to force my beliefs on another who might not believe in God or whatever, etc. The two people involved in the behavior only hurt themselves, imo. It seems as though your views have evolved a bit since this subject has been previously discussed here. Good for you. I can understand people not condoning if they believe it's a sin, but good for not trying to force others to feel the same. |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
Topic:
Homosexual redux
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: well, one thing people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as total freedom... some laws just need to be there, for the good of the people... i don't care if anyone is gay or not, i just don't see the need for all the "advertising" gay people do... i would like for someone to tell me what the gays cannot get out of common law marriage that others get by being married... The only reason they "advertise" is because people judge them. If people stopped JUDGING them, maybe this wouldn't be a problem. Think about it dude....... And short of that, the good of the people line is bunch of bs, most laws that remove a personal right of one person are about CONTROL, not good of the people. How does it personally effect you if gays marry, tell me how. And no that it hurts your moral code doesn't count. Get over yourself. As for common law, you do realize it takes 10 years for that to go into effect......what happens if someone dies or they split before then? SOL? It's not the same at all. maybe you should read more about common law marriage... it may vary from state to state, but i have never heard of ten years... doesn't count? don't try to tell me what counts or doesn't count in my world, if i'm against gays marrying, then i'm against it, and none of your business why... it's mainly pushy people like you that says i have to is one of the main reasons i'm against it. so, get over yourself and don't tell me how or what to think... you wanna go marry your "partner", go for it, but i will never be at one of of these "ignorant" affairs... No it doesn't count, because just cause you get all butthurt over gays marrying, doesn't give you the right to tell them they can't. It's not a damn bit of your concern, so stay out of their lives. They don't tell a straight person they can't marry can they? You are not the center of the universe, others live in it too and they may want to things different from you, deal with it. If you wanna stay prejudiced though feel free, but don't be surprised when people call you on it or push back. in your little mind, you might think it doesn't count, but guess what: your not the only one on the planet... don't even try to shove your beliefs on me, it won't work... thats the problem with gays like you, your so worried about what others think that you cannot function is society because you have this need to be accepted by everyone... another news flash: not everybody cares what the hell you do... i don't, and never will... so you can keep on with the name calling, like a little baby, or you can accept the fact that not everyone on the planet will agree with your viewpoints and stop attacking people that don't agree with them... and by the way, it's not racist, race has nothing to do with this... so you have any other inept names you wanna call me? Why do people assume that those who stick up for gay rights, or who are even just ok with gay people, are gay themselves? |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
Topic:
Homosexual redux
QUOTE: well, one thing people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as total freedom... some laws just need to be there, for the good of the people... i don't care if anyone is gay or not, i just don't see the need for all the "advertising" gay people do... i would like for someone to tell me what the gays cannot get out of common law marriage that others get by being married... Advertising? Do you mean like straight people do by showing/telling people they're straight? |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
Topic:
Homosexual redux
There's really no reason why gay people should not be able to marry each other. I get that some disagree with the lifestyle and others see it as a sin, but those are personal reasons. They are not reasons to ban gay people from marrying each other.
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singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
Topic:
speakit
QUOTE: of course other people have funny things they do in their posts. i dont usually capitalize, use punctuation marks, or a period at the end of the last sentence i post. i noticed someone likes to "use" the "quotes" a lot. when try to "read" those posts, i "feel" like i have to "stop and ponder" the quoted words before i "can move on" reading. i guarantee i guarantee i will get hammered for mentioning that one (bulldog double guarantee - patent pending) Unless they write short posts, I tend to skip over those who don't use punctuation much, as their posts are difficult to read. I always wonder why people choose not to use punctuation in a place where writing is the way to communicate. |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: If the author of the OP agrees that a woman isn't a prude because she won't have sexual intercourse outside of marriage, then I will drop my objection. I agree with the OP; a woman who will not have sex outside of marriage isn't a prude—she's principled. A very big difference, and a good one, especially in this day and age. Just curious - if women who don't have sex outside of marriage are principled, what are women who do have sex outside of marriage? |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
Topic:
what's your program?
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I read the first post and wasn't sure exactly what the OP was asking when he said "what's your program". Then I read through the first page and am still not quite sure. So, I don't know how to answer, as I don't know exactly what's being asked. MG, perhaps you can explain a bit more? Hi Sing Not sure I can right now. The topic kinda popped out at me in the middle of a busy time and the thoughts just found themselves on Mingle. Basically I'm talking about how different we are and how we got to be so different and do we see others as being different from ourselves and why. And, some of the stuff we do makes sense to us but doesn't to others and why. it's not necessarily because they are wrong, but different in their thought process. here's another quicky that is simple. This morning I found this great scallop potato dish in the frig here and got a little. I kind of snuck it cause figured with it being so good it was probably someones specialty and they were certainly saving it. Later on I was hungry and came to the kitchen hoping to score some of this with some "honey baked ham", perfect right. Well when I got there (mouth watering) I was told that they thew it out cause they didn't like the seasoning. I thought it was heaven, they thought it was hell. I thought it was an incredible waste of food, they saw it as something not worthy of eating. Two complete different programs were going on, totally the opposite from each other. I ended up eating stale salmon that they thought was the greatest thing on the planet. Still though, I didn't throw out the salmon because I didn't like it. To me food is something not to waste. Were they wrong? In their eyes they felt they were doing me a service. Was I wrong? I don't know, I ate my salmon and didn't say anything. Hey, they could have had no food at all. So, by 'program' you mean preferences? How our likes and dislikes are different? |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
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Are you now objecting to me changing my mind about the message in the OP? Are you objecting to me now giving the author of the OP the benefit of the doubt? You debated me in order to get me to change my mind. Well, I did. You won. No, that was about you wanting the OP to change his mind in order for you to change yours. |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
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singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: Well, continuing to post the same tired old question ad nauseam on an internet forum might be a good start...
OK, you got me there.
If the author of the OP agrees that a woman isn't a prude because she won't have sexual intercourse outside of marriage, then I will drop my objection. Why should the OP change what he said just to suit your needs? I've given you three different definitions of prude. All basically saying what I said before and you've chosen to ignore them. If you don't like what the actual definitions are, there's not much else to be said. People don't need to change their own minds just to please you, though. |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: What I wrote is basically the definition of prude. You're trying to make it sound much worse for some reason. From Wiki: A prude (Old French prude meaning honourable woman) [1] is a person who is described as (or would describe themselves as) being concerned with decorum or propriety, significantly in excess of normal prevailing community standards. They may be perceived as being more uncomfortable than most with sexuality or nudity. From http://www.thefreedictionary.com: One who is excessively concerned with being or appearing to be proper, modest, or righteous. Merriam-Webster: a person who is excessively or priggishly attentive to propriety or decorum; especially : a woman who shows or affects extreme modesty In case it was missed before. |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: Let's try another approach. A person is not a prude because that person waits until marriage before participating in sexual intercourse. So, what does a person have to do in order to be a prude? I gave you three definitions, dodo. Did you not like them? |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: I have talked with three men here from different states and none of them are on these forums. So, I guess whatever works for a person. Forums are for friendships yes and longterm especially on a Free site .
I'm not saying people shouldn't meet those who don't use the forums. It just hasn't worked for me in that way on this site, as there aren't many active profiles in this area. If it works for you, awesome. |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: Well, we all have profiles, so we can be contacted by people outside the forums and contact non-forumites ourselves. But it seems that most interactions do take place in the forums, at least on this site... On this site, it definitely works best if you're involved in the forums. Anyone I've actually met in person have been someone I meet through the forums. That being said, there are long term posters that I've never chatted with outside the forums. I don't feel like I could say I really know them, other than what they say in the forums. |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
Topic:
what's your program?
QUOTE: I read the first post and wasn't sure exactly what the OP was asking when he said "what's your program". Then I read through the first page and am still not quite sure. So, I don't know how to answer, as I don't know exactly what's being asked. MG, perhaps you can explain a bit more? |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: There is still something that I haven't figured out. If a person is called a prude, then is that person being complimented for being virtuous, or is the person being criticize for being virtuous? Edit: Or is the person simply being acknowledged as being virtuous? This isn't an all or nothing thing. It would depend on who is calling them a prude, right? |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: If you feel that saying someone is proper, modest, uncomfortable around nudity and sexuality and things like that is a slur, then no one will be able to change your mind about it. Is that what the author of the OP meant when he used the word prude, or did he mean for the word to say something negative about another person? Your description of someone sexually reserved is a non-judgmental description. If the OP had said what you said - instead of using the word prude - then this discussion wouldn't have come up. As far as I can tell, the OP uses the word prude to say something negative about another person. To me, it is callous to use the word in a negative sense even if the word isn't meant to be a slur. What I wrote is basically the definition of prude. You're trying to make it sound much worse for some reason. From Wiki: A prude (Old French prude meaning honourable woman) [1] is a person who is described as (or would describe themselves as) being concerned with decorum or propriety, significantly in excess of normal prevailing community standards. They may be perceived as being more uncomfortable than most with sexuality or nudity. From http://www.thefreedictionary.com: One who is excessively concerned with being or appearing to be proper, modest, or righteous. Merriam-Webster: a person who is excessively or priggishly attentive to propriety or decorum; especially : a woman who shows or affects extreme modesty |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
People shouldn't have to put in their post that they're speaking for themselves. I do sometimes, just because people like you, Dodo, assume we're speaking for everyone. Do you assume that everyone is speaking for everyone else unless they specify that they're speaking for themselves?
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singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Dodo, you have to realize what works for you may not work for others.
Do you realize that if something works for others, then it is an error to claim that it never works? I was responding to the claim that a premarital relationship must include sexual intercourse in order for the relationship to be real. Such a claim may be true for the person making the claim, but the claim isn't necessarily true for everyone. I don't remember seeing others saying it never works. Here is what was said: QUOTE: I agree if there isn't any love making it isn't a relationship.
That above-quoted statement is a generalization, and I challenged its accuracy. I'm guessing they were speaking for themselves. But, again, maybe I'm wrong about that. They'll have to speak up and clarify what they meant. |
singmesweet
Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 25459 |
If you feel that saying someone is proper, modest, uncomfortable around nudity and sexuality and things like that is a slur, then no one will be able to change your mind about it.
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