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Okay.. This is Relationship advice. One normally used for man to woman, or woman to man. Mine refers to me and a buddy.
I told my buddy (friend of a friend, to be exact) about 5 or 6 months ago, when he was looking for work, that I could use my rep at work to get him on there. In the meantime, he has managed to get himself fired from 3 different jobs, and asked me the other day if I could still try to get him a job. Dilemma: I have seen through the last 5 or 6 months that he has the work ethic of... Someone that doesn't like to work. Now, I'm not willing to put my rep at work in jeopardy for him. Not that I'm worried about losing my job, but I AM worried that in this crappy economy, a true friend that's willing to bust their butt for 40+ hours a week will need the same favor, and then they'd be SOL due to this guy. Any advice? |
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Okay.. This is Relationship advice. One normally used for man to woman, or woman to man. Mine refers to me and a buddy. I told my buddy (friend of a friend, to be exact) about 5 or 6 months ago, when he was looking for work, that I could use my rep at work to get him on there. In the meantime, he has managed to get himself fired from 3 different jobs, and asked me the other day if I could still try to get him a job. Dilemma: I have seen through the last 5 or 6 months that he has the work ethic of... Someone that doesn't like to work. Now, I'm not willing to put my rep at work in jeopardy for him. Not that I'm worried about losing my job, but I AM worried that in this crappy economy, a true friend that's willing to bust their butt for 40+ hours a week will need the same favor, and then they'd be SOL due to this guy. Any advice?  I would tell him that
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Even in a perfect economy, I wouldn't extend my rep to someone who is unreliable (fired from 3 jobs in 5-6/mos time frame) yikes.
I'd just say no sorry can't help you. |
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Edited by
Dan99
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Thu 04/09/09 01:16 PM
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Tell him the situation at your work has changed and that you may not beable to get him anything. Then 'forget' to pass his details on. Use the right wording and it doesnt even have to be a lie.
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To save face, I would just say that there is a hiring freeze due to the economy & you can't get him in there..but you will let him know if anything changes. It sounds crappy but it just might be the best thing to do.
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I like that you have a conscience about this. You already know what you are not going to do.
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Just tell him that based on his recent job history you do not feel comfortable helping him to get a job. He either accepts it or not. It is not your problem. He created it himself.
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Edited by
elwoodsully
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Thu 04/09/09 01:19 PM
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As he and I live across the street from each other, and my job is just 1/2 mile down the road, even his simple mind can figure out that we've been hiring left and right. In the last 2 months, we've hired about 60 people, and have people training as I speak..
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Either be honest, and call him on his work ethics!
Or Tell him that you wouldn't be able to get him into the company now. |
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As he and I live across the street from each other, and my job is just 1/2 mile down the road, even his simple mind can figure out that we've been hiring left and right. In the last 2 months, we've hired about 60 people, and have people training as I speak.. In that case it sounds like you have to be honest. You can still give him assistance and tell him who he should contact etc to get himself the job, off his own back. But you cant lay your reputation on the line and have your name associated with him. |
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In this economy protect yourself
Above all others ESP. If you have a family |
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Ouch - rock and a tight spot. But, if it were me, I would be honest with him about your fears. It is HIS behaviors and HIS choices that have gotten him in this position, not anything that you have done.
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In this economy protect yourself Above all others ESP. If you have a family If I suggested an employee to get hired, even if he was fired the same day, I wouldn't lose my job.. BUT. I could never ask for any consideration for anyone ever again. BTW, I have no kids, and very small bills. 
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Best friend vs friend of a friend - I would save that life line for someone closer, as far as calling in favors. I would reccomend that he submit his resume/app and list you as a reference. Then, if asked by management, I would not lie about his "current" behavior.
If he takes the initiative to fill out the app and turn it in, maybe he will have some time to think about his actions and how badly he really wants a job. |
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There is no ethical dilemma...5 or6 months ago you made an offer...it wasn't taken.
He asked you if the offer is still open.... it isn't. You have explained to us why. No dilemma.... do you require to be the people pleaser, the 'good' guy? Or the genuine person with ethics, especially around your work place. It's quite simple.... 'There are no job openings for you, at the moment.' |
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Edited by
elwoodsully
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Thu 04/09/09 01:37 PM
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As he and I live across the street from each other, and my job is just 1/2 mile down the road, even his simple mind can figure out that we've been hiring left and right. In the last 2 months, we've hired about 60 people, and have people training as I speak.. In that case it sounds like you have to be honest. You can still give him assistance and tell him who he should contact etc to get himself the job, off his own back. But you cant lay your reputation on the line and have your name associated with him. So, what you're saying is: Give him the web address(no paper apps taken) for my employer, and let him fly solo. There is nowhere on the application online that says if you are friends of/related to an employee. Right? |
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There is no ethical dilemma...5 or6 months ago you made an offer...it wasn't taken. He asked you if the offer is still open.... it isn't. You have explained to us why. No dilemma.... do you require to be the people pleaser, the 'good' guy? Or the genuine person with ethics, especially around your work place. It's quite simple.... 'There are no job openings for you, at the moment.' No, at the time he asked me, the company wasn't hiring. And in the medium, I've noticed the lack of desire in his part, to get off his duff and work. I'm glad now, in retrospect, that there was no hiring going on at that time because I did get another friend in two months ago, and he's doing fine. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Thu 04/09/09 01:39 PM
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You know, I was just thinking..... this guy is an acquaintance....a friend of a friend.... so he is not directly in your life, but a peripheral part.
There is no foul, no fault, by saying, 'No, mate'... It is no different to someone you don't know, who has a sh*te job record history....asking you to give him a 'leg up' in your workplace. |
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You can't help those that don't help themselves first and obviously he is not willing to do what it takes to keep a job. I'd let him fill out an app and fly solo.. not helping him in any way. You offered and he fumbled around so he obviously needs to grow up and not only take an initiative to get a job but to keep one as well!
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Edited by
Dan99
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Thu 04/09/09 01:41 PM
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As he and I live across the street from each other, and my job is just 1/2 mile down the road, even his simple mind can figure out that we've been hiring left and right. In the last 2 months, we've hired about 60 people, and have people training as I speak.. In that case it sounds like you have to be honest. You can still give him assistance and tell him who he should contact etc to get himself the job, off his own back. But you cant lay your reputation on the line and have your name associated with him. So, what you're saying is: Give him the web address(no paper apps taken) for my employer, and let him fly solo. There is nowhere on the application online that says if you are friends of/related to an employee. Right? Yeah thats pretty much what im saying. You could also tell a white lie and say you have no influence on hiring anymore. |
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