Topic: Only 39 Percent Would Vote to Re-Elect Obama in 2012
boredinaz06's photo
Sun 10/17/10 07:59 PM



If they asked me they could add one more to that stat.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/17/10 08:55 PM


religious books are complex writings, I have seen both sides nitpick verses out of context to prove a point

here is the counter from muslims who believe christians to be hypocrites

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links


both sides have determined haters who make a point of seeking out such passages, and ignoring the passages which might counter their argument,,


Christians don't call for the murder of any non believers.


That is not true.

The bible is full of god instructing his followers to kill for all kinds of reasons.

Both religions are comparable. The only difference is that most Christians have given up on the old stone and kill everyone stuff. So have some Muslims in Islam for that matter too.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/17/10 08:58 PM



religious books are complex writings, I have seen both sides nitpick verses out of context to prove a point

here is the counter from muslims who believe christians to be hypocrites

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links


both sides have determined haters who make a point of seeking out such passages, and ignoring the passages which might counter their argument,,


Christians don't call for the murder of any non believers.



Some of the more radical ones on here have frequently stated we MUST nuke Iran.

Madelalyn Murray O'Hair was the frequent target of death threats after her suit before the Supreme Court was won in the early 60's and which declared compulsory prayer in public schools to be unconstitutional. She and two members of her family were murdered and federal agents were left to solve the case after the Austin P.D. showed a marked apathy for finding the person(s) responsible. Even after the murder was found and convicted, he was sentenced to only 20 years for three murders.

More recently, radical Christians have called for atheists to be barred from holding public offices.

Jesus himself is purportedly quoted in the Bible as saying "Think not that I come to bring peace to the world, but a sword." (And yes, I KNOW that it will be stated that that was only a metaphor not to be taken literally. But if that's true, why do the same people who way that take EVERYTHING Islam says as literal?)

-Kerry O.


One of the first "Out" Atheists.

She was tortured for her beliefs in this country.

Sad the intolerance of those who supposedly teach "tolerance".

Or would it be only the extremist of that group?

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Sun 10/17/10 09:08 PM



religious books are complex writings, I have seen both sides nitpick verses out of context to prove a point

here is the counter from muslims who believe christians to be hypocrites

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links


both sides have determined haters who make a point of seeking out such passages, and ignoring the passages which might counter their argument,,


Christians don't call for the murder of any non believers.


extreme christians(like abortion clinic bombers or abortion doctor assasins) surely do

and one who is determined can CERTAINLY find verses in the bible that they can claim prove GOD himself did so




So what?People have killed people because they took LSD and said their cat in the corner of the room told them to do it.

This whole stupid debate bringing in Christianity is pointless.It's pointless because the Christian bible specifically commands NOT TO KILL.It specifically says to forgive and to turn the other cheek.There is no justification for killing anyone for any reason using the bible for reference.It is this reason why the 3 billion Christians in this world are not killing people all over the world on a daily basis in the name of Jesus Christ.


Islam on the other hand specifically does command to kill nonbelievers and killing in the name of Islam is justified using the Koran.A person can kill another person or many people and claim he was justified for doing so.

I have said it many times before.People worrying about getting killed by a demented Christian is the last thing they are worried about.I think the odds of someone being killed by a demented Christian using the bible for justification is probably about 300 million to one.

boredinaz06's photo
Sun 10/17/10 09:25 PM


Anybody that votes for Obama or a Democrat is an idiot. Period.


Great just vote for big corrupt corporations who got us into this economic mess.



Fannie and Freddie who Obama is in bed with BTW, remember the 900 billion dollar bail out? Bush wanted to dissolve those two but the democrats who ran the house and senate said no.

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Sun 10/17/10 09:32 PM




religious books are complex writings, I have seen both sides nitpick verses out of context to prove a point

here is the counter from muslims who believe christians to be hypocrites

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links


both sides have determined haters who make a point of seeking out such passages, and ignoring the passages which might counter their argument,,


Christians don't call for the murder of any non believers.


extreme christians(like abortion clinic bombers or abortion doctor assasins) surely do

and one who is determined can CERTAINLY find verses in the bible that they can claim prove GOD himself did so




So what?People have killed people because they took LSD and said their cat in the corner of the room told them to do it.

This whole stupid debate bringing in Christianity is pointless.It's pointless because the Christian bible specifically commands NOT TO KILL.It specifically says to forgive and to turn the other cheek.There is no justification for killing anyone for any reason using the bible for reference.It is this reason why the 3 billion Christians in this world are not killing people all over the world on a daily basis in the name of Jesus Christ.


Islam on the other hand specifically does command to kill nonbelievers and killing in the name of Islam is justified using the Koran.A person can kill another person or many people and claim he was justified for doing so.

I have said it many times before.People worrying about getting killed by a demented Christian is the last thing they are worried about.I think the odds of someone being killed by a demented Christian using the bible for justification is probably about 300 million to one.



And of course those odds go down considerably if you're in N. Ireland where Protestants and Catholics have been killing each other for decades.


-Kerry O.

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Sun 10/17/10 11:30 PM




religious books are complex writings, I have seen both sides nitpick verses out of context to prove a point

here is the counter from muslims who believe christians to be hypocrites

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac12.htm#links


both sides have determined haters who make a point of seeking out such passages, and ignoring the passages which might counter their argument,,


Christians don't call for the murder of any non believers.


extreme christians(like abortion clinic bombers or abortion doctor assasins) surely do

and one who is determined can CERTAINLY find verses in the bible that they can claim prove GOD himself did so




So what?People have killed people because they took LSD and said their cat in the corner of the room told them to do it.

This whole stupid debate bringing in Christianity is pointless.It's pointless because the Christian bible specifically commands NOT TO KILL.It specifically says to forgive and to turn the other cheek.There is no justification for killing anyone for any reason using the bible for reference.It is this reason why the 3 billion Christians in this world are not killing people all over the world on a daily basis in the name of Jesus Christ.


Islam on the other hand specifically does command to kill nonbelievers and killing in the name of Islam is justified using the Koran.A person can kill another person or many people and claim he was justified for doing so.

I have said it many times before.People worrying about getting killed by a demented Christian is the last thing they are worried about.I think the odds of someone being killed by a demented Christian using the bible for justification is probably about 300 million to one.



from the qu ran

5:32: "For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), but afterwards lo! Many of them become prodigals of the earth."


people have plenty of material to edit from the bible or the koran to justify their own beliefs and values,,,,

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Mon 10/18/10 08:56 AM



Anybody that votes for Obama or a Democrat is an idiot. Period.


Great just vote for big corrupt corporations who got us into this economic mess.



Fannie and Freddie who Obama is in bed with BTW, remember the 900 billion dollar bail out? Bush wanted to dissolve those two but the democrats who ran the house and senate said no.


AND Chris Dodd negotiating the massive bonuses for the top exec's after the bail out was granted!

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/18/10 12:07 PM
OBama 2012 :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Lpdon's photo
Mon 10/18/10 07:23 PM
Donald Trump in 2012! :banana:

metalwing's photo
Mon 10/18/10 07:53 PM
Irony.

Obama recently spoke about how much work there was to do and how busy he and he staff are at solving America's problems.

News tonight spoke of how Obama has left Washington to be on the campaign trail of Democrats that need his help and plans to keep "the pressure on" til the election.

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/18/10 07:56 PM

Irony.

Obama recently spoke about how much work there was to do and how busy he and he staff are at solving America's problems.

News tonight spoke of how Obama has left Washington to be on the campaign trail of Democrats that need his help and plans to keep "the pressure on" til the election.



the elections are part of those problems,,,,both parties need to balance the negative and misinformation the other spreads about them,,,

Lpdon's photo
Mon 10/18/10 08:05 PM


Irony.

Obama recently spoke about how much work there was to do and how busy he and he staff are at solving America's problems.

News tonight spoke of how Obama has left Washington to be on the campaign trail of Democrats that need his help and plans to keep "the pressure on" til the election.



the elections are part of those problems,,,,both parties need to balance the negative and misinformation the other spreads about them,,,


Like your boy Reid has done to Sharron Angle for the past year?

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/18/10 08:10 PM



Irony.

Obama recently spoke about how much work there was to do and how busy he and he staff are at solving America's problems.

News tonight spoke of how Obama has left Washington to be on the campaign trail of Democrats that need his help and plans to keep "the pressure on" til the election.



the elections are part of those problems,,,,both parties need to balance the negative and misinformation the other spreads about them,,,


Like your boy Reid has done to Sharron Angle for the past year?


BOTH PARTIES,,,,

metalwing's photo
Mon 10/18/10 08:16 PM


The 2012 presidential race begins in earnest on Nov. 3 -- the day after the upcoming midterm elections -- and President Obama
looks to be in trouble at the starting gate.

A Fox News poll released Friday shows that 54 percent of voters say they would vote for someone else rather than re-electing Obama if the presidential election were held today. That’s up from 47 percent in a January poll and 31 percent in April 2009.

Thirty-nine percent would vote to re-elect the president now, down from 43 percent in January. That's a dramatic drop from the 52 percent who felt that way in April, at his term's 100-day mark.

Among Democrats, the overall number who would re-elect the president has dropped to 75 percent, down from 87 percent at the beginning of his term. And there is an even more significant decline in the number of Democrats who say they would “definitely” vote to re-elect Obama -- from 69 percent near the start of his term to 41 percent now.

There’s a similar falloff in support among those who voted for Obama in the 2008 election. In the new poll, 40 percent of 2008 Obama voters say they would “definitely” vote to re-elect him, down from 64 percent in April 2009.

Among independents, 32 percent would vote to re-elect Obama, down from a high of 43 percent in April 2009. Meanwhile 57 percent of independents say they would vote for someone else -- twice as many as the 28 percent who felt that way near the start of his term.

The national telephone poll was conducted for Fox News by Opinion Dynamics Corp. among 900 registered voters from Sept. 28 to Sept. 29. For the total sample, the poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Voters would also like to see a change in the No. 2 slot on the Obama ticket. By more than 2-to-1 they would prefer to have Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (55 percent) as vice president over Vice President Joe Biden (25 percent). There’s an even stronger preference among Democrats: 67 percent say Clinton compared to 25 percent who prefer Biden.

Hypothetically Speaking

Even with all the negatives, in hypothetical head-to-head matchups Obama tops each of the Republican candidates tested, although in the case of former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, it’s by just 1 percentage point (41-40 percent). In January, Obama led by 12 percentage points (47-35 percent).

Obama has a 43-40 percent edge over former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, and an even wider advantage over New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (42-30 percent), former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (45-37 percent), and former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin (48-35 percent).

The president tops an unnamed candidate from the Tea Party movement by 11 points (43-32 percent), which is a much narrower spread than earlier this year when Obama’s advantage was 25 points (48-23 percent).

What about if an independent candidate makes it a three-way race? Obama gets 40 percent to Palin’s 28 percent, with independent candidate New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg capturing 18 percent.

It’s a tighter race if it includes Hillary Clinton as the independent candidate. In that hypothetical matchup, Obama would receive 30 percent, Palin 29 percent and Clinton 27 percent.

Mike Huckabee is the host of “Huckabee” on Fox News Channel and Sarah Palin is a Fox News contributor.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/01/fox-news-poll-percent-vote-elect-obama/

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


no huge fan of obama here one way or the other. but 900 people is NOT an impressive sample size


The science of polling can be very accurate if done properly. The poll should give the calculated degree of accuracy in plus or minus percentage points. Sometimes people act like herd animals and rush to do what they think the rest of the herd is doing. As such, polls can be very dangerous, especially exits polls where a different type of voter may be coming at a different time. There have been cases where a poll said one candidate was winning, so the voters who could have elected his opponent stayed home.

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Mon 10/18/10 08:52 PM




Irony.

Obama recently spoke about how much work there was to do and how busy he and he staff are at solving America's problems.

News tonight spoke of how Obama has left Washington to be on the campaign trail of Democrats that need his help and plans to keep "the pressure on" til the election.



the elections are part of those problems,,,,both parties need to balance the negative and misinformation the other spreads about them,,,


Like your boy Reid has done to Sharron Angle for the past year?


BOTH PARTIES,,,,


Sorry but Angle hasn't pulled even a fraction of what Reid has. He came out the door nasty and so did his son Rory.

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/18/10 08:55 PM





Irony.

Obama recently spoke about how much work there was to do and how busy he and he staff are at solving America's problems.

News tonight spoke of how Obama has left Washington to be on the campaign trail of Democrats that need his help and plans to keep "the pressure on" til the election.



the elections are part of those problems,,,,both parties need to balance the negative and misinformation the other spreads about them,,,


Like your boy Reid has done to Sharron Angle for the past year?


BOTH PARTIES,,,,


Sorry but Angle hasn't pulled even a fraction of what Reid has. He came out the door nasty and so did his son Rory.



I dont have a factual gauge to measure who is nastier, I just know both have been nasty


reid paints angle as a batty politician, and angle paints him as some tax increasing ,illegal immigrant supporting, recession causing politician

I can look at either party to find out why NOT to vote for the other, and there needs to be opportunity for the parties to then spread information on why I SHOULD vote for THEM

Lpdon's photo
Mon 10/18/10 09:00 PM






Irony.

Obama recently spoke about how much work there was to do and how busy he and he staff are at solving America's problems.

News tonight spoke of how Obama has left Washington to be on the campaign trail of Democrats that need his help and plans to keep "the pressure on" til the election.



the elections are part of those problems,,,,both parties need to balance the negative and misinformation the other spreads about them,,,


Like your boy Reid has done to Sharron Angle for the past year?


BOTH PARTIES,,,,


Sorry but Angle hasn't pulled even a fraction of what Reid has. He came out the door nasty and so did his son Rory.



I dont have a factual gauge to measure who is nastier, I just know both have been nasty


reid paints angle as a batty politician, and angle paints him as some tax increasing ,illegal immigrant supporting, recession causing politician

I can look at either party to find out why NOT to vote for the other, and there needs to be opportunity for the parties to then spread information on why I SHOULD vote for THEM



No I am talking about the nasty personal attacks like the Scientology thing.

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Mon 10/18/10 09:06 PM
I am curious as to why we the taxpayer are paying for Democratic Political 'pumping' up.

First we her unsubstantiated rumors about foriegn funding...

Then the President gets on a plane we pay for (with an expensive entourage)...

and I wonder who is actually doing HIS job while he be stumping.

(yeah I know that other presidents have done this... but by darn its time for a SWEEPING change.)

and Mr. Obama obviously is not the change we are needing in this country.

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/18/10 09:08 PM
the way I look at it is that OBama is successful at uniting and so the PARTY is looking to his leadership in this campaign season, I am sure he doesnt have to forgo his other duties just because he ADDED this one temporarily