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| Topic: "it has served us well…this myth of Christ" Pope LeoX, 1 | |
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This is from the OLD law, Jesus fulfilled the old law and gave us the new law. This no longer holds power over us. Yes it still has pretty much the same laws, the only real big difference is we aren't to judge one another anymore, Jesus has been appointed the judge of all our souls. This kind of talk doesn't impress me in the slightest. All you're basically doing here is expecting me to believe that the God of the Old Testament had originally designed a system of judgment that wasn't very good and simply didn't work very well at all evidently. So he changed his mind and is saying, "OOPS! Ok my last instructions didn't pan out very well so let's try something DIFFERENT". Am I supposed to believe that your biblical God had no clue the first time around or what? Moreover, if we as humans think that it's disgusting that God would have mortal men judging each other and stoning each other to death, than it would STILL be disgusting that this God ever set up such a system at any point in time. The coming of Jesus wouldn't change the fact that your God was at one time quite disgusting. It seems to me that it makes far more sense to realize that Jesus is not a demigod, but instead he was just a wise mortal man who taught against those horrible things, and tried to teach people to love and forgive each other instead. In fact, the very reason why so many Christian actually LOVE Jesus so much is precisely because he refuted all the nasty crap that had been taught in the Old Testament. After all, if you scrap Jesus and just go back to the Old Testament alone then we are to judge each other and stone those who we judge to be sinners to death. The Christians renounce that kind of behavior as being "ungodly", yet it can't be said to be "ungodly" if you believe in the Bible because according to the Bible that is precisely what God himself had commanded men to do! So if they think that this kind of behavior is disgusting then they also think that God of the Old Testament is disgusting. It's as simple as that. You can't use Jesus to wash away that nasty crap of the Old Testament God. It just can't be made to work. Once a nasty God, always a nasty God. You're trying to make Jesus out as God having a "Change of Heart" or "Change of Character", but that can't be made to work in a fable that claims that God is unchanging. If God wanted to sacrifice himself for mankind's sake he should have done it right in the Garden of Eden when mankind supposedly first sinned. Anything less would be a God who couldn't make up his mind on how to properly handle the situation for thousands of years. |
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This is from the OLD law, Jesus fulfilled the old law and gave us the new law. This no longer holds power over us. Yes it still has pretty much the same laws, the only real big difference is we aren't to judge one another anymore, Jesus has been appointed the judge of all our souls. This kind of talk doesn't impress me in the slightest. All you're basically doing here is expecting me to believe that the God of the Old Testament had originally designed a system of judgment that wasn't very good and simply didn't work very well at all evidently. So he changed his mind and is saying, "OOPS! Ok my last instructions didn't pan out very well so let's try something DIFFERENT". Am I supposed to believe that your biblical God had no clue the first time around or what? Moreover, if we as humans think that it's disgusting that God would have mortal men judging each other and stoning each other to death, than it would STILL be disgusting that this God ever set up such a system at any point in time. The coming of Jesus wouldn't change the fact that your God was at one time quite disgusting. It seems to me that it makes far more sense to realize that Jesus is not a demigod, but instead he was just a wise mortal man who taught against those horrible things, and tried to teach people to love and forgive each other instead. In fact, the very reason why so many Christian actually LOVE Jesus so much is precisely because he refuted all the nasty crap that had been taught in the Old Testament. After all, if you scrap Jesus and just go back to the Old Testament alone then we are to judge each other and stone those who we judge to be sinners to death. The Christians renounce that kind of behavior as being "ungodly", yet it can't be said to be "ungodly" if you believe in the Bible because according to the Bible that is precisely what God himself had commanded men to do! So if they think that this kind of behavior is disgusting then they also think that God of the Old Testament is disgusting. It's as simple as that. You can't use Jesus to wash away that nasty crap of the Old Testament God. It just can't be made to work. Once a nasty God, always a nasty God. You're trying to make Jesus out as God having a "Change of Heart" or "Change of Character", but that can't be made to work in a fable that claims that God is unchanging. If God wanted to sacrifice himself for mankind's sake he should have done it right in the Garden of Eden when mankind supposedly first sinned. Anything less would be a God who couldn't make up his mind on how to properly handle the situation for thousands of years. God changed his mind on nothing. Everything works in phases and steps. Heck even the moon goes through fazes. Was easier and more sufficient to just have the people judge each other for there was a very limited population. But as the world gained more population and it got more corrupt it needed a hub to run on if you will. It needed a third party not influenced by emotions on the particular incident. Thus Jesus came into the picture. An outside mediator that doesn't have anything to gain or loose in the situation and can make a fair judgement not influenced by greed, selfishness, ect. |
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God changed his mind on nothing. Everything works in phases and steps. Heck even the moon goes through fazes. Was easier and more sufficient to just have the people judge each other for there was a very limited population. But as the world gained more population and it got more corrupt it needed a hub to run on if you will. It needed a third party not influenced by emotions on the particular incident. Thus Jesus came into the picture. An outside mediator that doesn't have anything to gain or loose in the situation and can make a fair judgement not influenced by greed, selfishness, ect. That's an interesting "theory" you have there. Unfortunately the actual mythology doesn't appear to have made that claim as far as I can see. If we're going to "theorize" what we each think might be true, then I theorize that Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist who renounced the teachings of the original fable, and so on and so forth. I do believe that I've explained my "theory" to you enough times that you should know it by now. So you have your theories, and I have mine. That's cool.  That's the way things are supposed to be.  |
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wow whoever taught u sure did a bang up job... reading yur post makes me sick to my stomach!! i can disprove everything u said that is twisted to fit yur perception of God ... i was raised in a pentecostal home and im not living a lie
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ill be prayin for u!!! hardcore!!
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Abra wrote.
"Am I supposed to believe that your biblical God had no clue the first time around or what? " God had a clue... Mankind was not yet ready for the full monte. example... Shria believes stoning for sins and some within islam believe transgressors need to lose their heads. God believes in forgivness... Ain't just christians that are still in kindergarten. Both got the first lessons... Neither are ready to graduate to god. |
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ill be prayin for u!!! hardcore!! Well, don't hurt yourself. If you've actually read the mythology you'd know that it would be futile anyway. To reject the "Word of God" is an unforgivable sin. So what would you be praying for? For God to change his rules?  If the mythology is true I'll simply perish when I die and miss out on the grand trip to Disneyland. It doesn't matter anyway, because that's what I would choose to do even if the mythology was true. I'd refuse to accept the crucifixion of Jesus in my name anyway. So even if the mythology were true I would reject the offer. So pray your heart heart out girl. But keep in mind, like Cowboy always points out. God doesn't care. God couldn't care less one way or the other. There's nothing in it for God. It's entirely up to the humans. And I've made my choice. My choice is quite simple, even if the mythology is true I reject the offer anyway. I'm not interested in serving some jealous God for the rest of eternity. The peace and bliss of merely perishing like an atheist is far more attractive to me. Besides, I might be eligible for a ride to the Moon Goddess's heaven.  I wouldn't want to blow that opportunity just to worship a jealous Zeus-like God for the rest of eternity. So many options to choose from, what's a saint like me supposed to do?
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Shria believes stoning for sins and some within islam believe transgressors need to lose their heads. God believes in forgivness... Which God believes in forgiveness? The one that taught people to stone sinners and heathens to death in the first place? Or the unchanging God that had a change of heart in the New Testament? Just curious. |
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some liken God to a potter. He forms vessels at His own will to serve Him at whatever He decides. if a vessel is created to serve Him it will. if a vessel is made to be broken it will. the vessels have no choice in the matter. an all knowing god would know that someone he created would not serve him, but in not serving that someone is doing what he was created to do.
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some liken God to a potter. He forms vessels at His own will to serve Him at whatever He decides. if a vessel is created to serve Him it will. if a vessel is made to be broken it will. the vessels have no choice in the matter. an all knowing god would know that someone he created would not serve him, but in not serving that someone is doing what he was created to do. So God knowingly builds a faulty pot, and then punishes it when it fails? How is that the pots fault then? Of course, if he built it knowing it would fail, he really can't punish it. I know children build things to break because its "cool". So is God a child? Knowing how obnoxious many children are these days, I can't say as I'm any more impressed with a possible ADD/ADHD spoiled brat who has no self control who is God. |
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Im not a religious bigot but who r u to judge anyway? If u nobody says kill homosexuals! U need 2 sit down with someone who actually understands the Bible an have them clue u in on a few misperseptions u have! The authors of the Bible were the religious bigots. I don't need to sit down with anyone. If you think the Bible doesn't say that homosexuals should be put to death then you're the one who needs to have Bible lessons. Here you go: Leviticus 20: [7] Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God. [8] And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you. [9] For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. [10] And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. [11] And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. [12] And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. [13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. According to the Bible the LORD has sanctified us to keep these statutes, and do them. So we should be killing all the people who do the things on this list above according to the Bible. And killing homosexuals is one of the things on this list according to verse 13. So who is it that needs to study the Bible again?  This is a bloody gory fable. But if you're going to worship it and support it, then do so. Otherwise, why bother support something that you don't even agree with? You do realize ur talkin bout customs that took place many yrs ago right? Ah yes u do. Okay then, death does not mean "slice em dice em hang em by their toes" it is a death of the soul it is dying away from God. U have to keep things in context. It says God is jealous also but doesnt mean jealous like slappin other Gods around! If that were the case He coulda done that already! It means He wants all our attention cause He created us and deserves it. U people make me sick U will see when ur time comes. Then u will be sry U missed the most precious gift life could offer!  and...ah...go speak "txt" on your phone. If YOU can't be bothered to use actual words...oh....nevermind...you're not even worth the effort... This is from the OLD law, Jesus fulfilled the old law and gave us the new law. This no longer holds power over us. Yes it still has pretty much the same laws, the only real big difference is we aren't to judge one another anymore, Jesus has been appointed the judge of all our souls. Jesus talked in "txt"? Who knew?
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wow whoever taught u sure did a bang up job... reading yur post makes me sick to my stomach!! i can disprove everything u said that is twisted to fit yur perception of God ... i was raised in a pentecostal home and im not living a lie Who are you talking to anyway? And just exactly how do you know you're not living a lie? Seriously. You've got some empirical evidence that shows your way is THE way? I'm willing to bet that even among christians, there are literally thousands of "ways" to live. Every single participant in any one "way" would also say their "way" is THE "way". That's a lot of different "ways" that are THE "way". |
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ill be prayin for u!!! hardcore!! I didn't even know the letter "u" was in trouble... |
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ill be prayin for u!!! hardcore!! I didn't even know the letter "u" was in trouble... It's a Sesame Street prayer request. Alpha and Omega trying to keep all the other little jots and tittles in line. 
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So God knowingly builds a faulty pot, and then punishes it when it fails? How is that the pots fault then? Of course, if he built it knowing it would fail, he really can't punish it. I know children build things to break because its "cool". So is God a child? Knowing how obnoxious many children are these days, I can't say as I'm any more impressed with a possible ADD/ADHD spoiled brat who has no self control who is God. you missed my point. if an allknowing god wanted to do anything, we as the creations have no expectations of judging what he does or doesn't do. the creations just do as he wills and can pass no judgement on what other creations are doing or not doing. |
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esebulldog wrote: you missed my point. if an allknowing god wanted to do anything, we as the creations have no expectations of judging what he does or doesn't do. the creations just do as he wills and can pass no judgement on what other creations are doing or not doing. That would be true of you're talking about Zeus. I don't think anyone said that Zeus necessarily had to be "righteous". However, if you're referring to the Biblical mythology that changes. The Biblical God cannot just do anything he pleases with the claim that no one can pass any judgments on his actions. Why not? Well, because the authors of the Bible claim that their God is 'righteous'. But that would be an utterly meaningless claim if "righteousness" has no meaning other than "God can do anything he damn will pleases". What sense to it even make to claim that such a God is "righteous"? This is why, as far as I'm concerned, it is totally responsible for us as humans to "judge" these fables in terms of what they are suggesting. They are suggesting that their God is "righteous" then they make claims about the behavior and character of this God that I personally feel are "unrighteous acts and character traits". Therefore, I'm calling then on their inconsistent baloney. They claim one thing, but then appear to portray something that's totally the opposite. As far as I'm concerned, that's grounds for me to suspect their claims are false. This is a problem with this religion quite often. It's a "Have your Cake and Eat it Too" religion. God is Righteous! Oh but wait! God can do anything he wants and doesn't need to justify it at all!  To me that's a total contradiction. If they want to say that God is "righteous" fine. If they want to say that he can do anything he wants whether we consider it to be "righteous" or not, then fine. But he can't be BOTH. To claim that he's BOTH is a contradiction. He's either a righteous God, or he isn't. He can't be BOTH. |
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zeus or hebrew god, how can a created thing judge the creator? how can one created thing judge another created thing. if the creator is rightous or not who does he answer to? the created things can (and do) argue all they want, it doesn't affect the creators intentions. if one creation convinces another created thing to follow his beliefs who is right? we all answer to a higher power, in our jobs, in our lives, but the creator answers to no one, nothing, never has never will.
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Shria believes stoning for sins and some within islam believe transgressors need to lose their heads. God believes in forgivness... Which God believes in forgiveness? The one that taught people to stone sinners and heathens to death in the first place? Or the unchanging God that had a change of heart in the New Testament? Just curious. it's obvious that God doesn't forgives...or Adam and Eve would have never been kicked out of Eden |
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zeus or hebrew god, how can a created thing judge the creator? how can one created thing judge another created thing. if the creator is rightous or not who does he answer to? the created things can (and do) argue all they want, it doesn't affect the creators intentions. if one creation convinces another created thing to follow his beliefs who is right? we all answer to a higher power, in our jobs, in our lives, but the creator answers to no one, nothing, never has never will. What you say here may have abstract philosophical integrity, but is that really important when speaking about a mythological tale? If a mythology claims that God is "righteous" then that becomes a premise of that particular mythology. Arguing in general terms that a totally abstract concept of a creator requires no need to be "righteous", doesn't help a particular mythology that claims otherwise. That's all I'm saying.
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ok, but isn't that what each follower is saying, my creator is the only righteous one, and yours sux. be like me and we will live happily ever after. what if we all believed in what we wanted and respected each other enough not to force our views on each other. what's with the need to have someone believe what you believe?
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