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Topic: States voting NO to ObamaCare !!
willing2's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:19 PM
November 2nd was set to be an important day for Arizona voters, and they spoke loud and clear when they rejected healthcare mandates by passing Proposition 106. This amends the Arizona Constitution to protect the “right of Arizonans not to participate in any health care system or plan.” It will also protect Arizonan’s “right to spend their own money for health care services in Arizona.”

Prop 106 was the result of the Arizona legislature passing House Concurrent Resolution 2014 (HCR2014) in mid 2009, and comes on the heels of the state recently rejecting other major federal laws – nullifying the Real ID Act of 2005, and passing the Firearms Freedom Act to nullify some federal gun laws and regulations.

HCR2014 has as its basis the following 4 main provisions:

1. Prohibits any law or rule from directly or indirectly compelling any person, employer or health care provider to participate in any health care system.

2. Allows a person or employer to pay directly for lawful health care services without paying penalties or fines.

3. Permits a health care provider to accept direct payment from a person or employer for lawful health care services without paying penalties or fines.

4. Asserts that, subject to reasonable and necessary rules that do not substantially limit a person’s options, the purchase or sale of private health insurance shall not be prohibited.

The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution codifies in law that the federal government is one of limited, delegated powers – and that all powers not enumerated in the Constitution are reserved “to the States, respectively, or to the People.” The founders, during the time of the Constitution’s ratification, made clear that a vast majority of regulatory powers would be left in the states – including social services, agriculture, mining, and more. Click here to read more. Passage of Proposition 106 follows with the founders design – that such decisions over health care would be handled on a state level, as the people determine.

Arizona voters have joined with voters in Oklahoma, who also passed a health care freedom act today, to become the 6th and 7th states to pass similar legislation or state constitutional amendments. They join Virginia, Idaho, Louisiana, Missouri and Utah. And, more than 2 dozen other states are considering similar legislation or state constitutional amendments to do the same. Passage of such bills have raised the question of federal vs state supremacy under the constitution. To resolve this issue, many legislators and governors are supporting lawsuits to affirm the principles of the state laws. But some constitutional scholars, including famed legal theorist Randy Barnett, have indicated that decades of precedent from the supreme court makes such legal challenges difficult, at best.

But that doesn’t mean that the court is right. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, in the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions of 1798, warned us that if the federal government ever were to become the sole and final arbiter of the extent of its own powers, those powers would never remain limited – thus, the reason they advocated for nullification and interposition in those resolutions.

The essential question, then, remains: Will Arizonans stand up for their rights, will they stand behind their decision in support of the Health Care Freedom Act…whether the federal government gives them approval to or not?

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Voters in Oklahoma today decided that they don’t want a law to require them to buy health insurance, as they voted to approve State Question 756 by a wide margin (64% in favor at the time of this writing). The question was the result of the Oklahoma legislature passing Senate Joint Resolution 59 (SJR59) this year.

The legislation states that “A law or rule shall not compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer or health care provider to participate in any health care system” – in an attempt to nullify health insurance mandates within the state. It previously passed the State Senate by a vote of 30-13 and the State House by a vote of 88-9.

The House had waited to act on the resolution as the legislature attempted to override a veto of similar legislation that would’ve enacted the Health Care Freedom Act via statute. But, after the veto override failed, the House took action on SJR59. Because it is a referendum question, the decision bypassed Governor Henry and went directly to the people on the November 2nd state ballot.

State Senator Randy Brogdon, in a statement about the Oklahoma Health Care Freedom Act, said:

“This legislation does three things. It would prevent the federal government from forcing any Oklahoman to participate in any health care system. It would also prohibit the federal government from dictating how doctors choose to care for their patients. Finally, the measure authorizes the leaders of the Legislature to hire outside council to represent Oklahoma in a lawsuit to prevent Obamacare from being forced on our state.”

Similar legislation has already passed as law in Virginia, Utah, Missouri, Idaho and Louisiana. Voters in Arizona and Colorado are also deciding on similar state constitutional amendments to reject health care mandates today.

The principle behind such legislation is nullification, which has a long history in the American tradition. When a state ‘nullifies’ a federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in question is void and inoperative, or ‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that state; or, in other words, not a law as far as the state is concerned. Implied in such legislation is that the state apparatus will enforce the act against all violations – in order to protect the liberty of the state’s citizens.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:22 PM
:thumbsup:

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:23 PM



We also voted to do away with the racist affirmative action at the state level too.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:25 PM




We also voted to do away with the racist affirmative action at the state level too.


:thumbsup:

Thomas3474's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:25 PM
We had it on a ballot here in Colorado also.They wrote that thing so fricken hard to read I actually had to go online to see who was supporting it.They need to make the writings in these bills as simple as possible because I don't think people can understand if they are repealing or supporting a bill with all that technical lawyer talk.

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Thu 11/04/10 10:26 PM




We also voted to do away with the racist affirmative action at the state level too.


Thats a good start and one that is long overdue :thumbsup:

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:27 PM

We had it on a ballot here in Colorado also.They wrote that thing so fricken hard to read I actually had to go online to see who was supporting it.They need to make the writings in these bills as simple as possible because I don't think people can understand if they are repealing or supporting a bill with all that technical lawyer talk.


unfortunately they have to write it the way they do so that all bills and propositions are uniform in language.

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Thu 11/04/10 10:29 PM





We also voted to do away with the racist affirmative action at the state level too.


Thats a good start and one that is long overdue :thumbsup:


Hopefully all the states follow suit.

I also hope this new Congress backs Arizona on and does something about the border situation and Arizona enforcing the law.

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Thu 11/04/10 10:31 PM
I am sure CA will be last on the list to drop Obamacare! Jerry brown will see to that to prove his Boy Obama right about his health care system, but after the damage is done I am sure California will be so rat fuqued we will need federal bailouts to get us out of the hole Boxer and Brown are going to dig for us now!

frustrated

I am so blown away these BHL left wing whack jobs get elected. Jerry used to be governor here in the 70s and he was a royal spend jockey. he did not get rid of the Lear jet. he was too busy living Lavida Loca with Lind Rondstadt (Looked it up!) and jet setting!

He said he created 1.6 Million jobs. No he didn't. California had a growing industry he jumped into and taxed more for social spending. He was a 'hand out' politician back then. He is now too! During his years we had a bad influx of immigrant welfare warriors into this state.

Oh God CA is so SCREWED! So much for Christmas!

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Thu 11/04/10 10:33 PM



If states don't follow suit in denying the health scam the whole country will go down the tubes, I'm afraid to know how much this thing will cost when it kicks in fully.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:34 PM
:thumbsup:

willing2's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:40 PM
There's more BS in oBlowmecare than just deathcare.

It'd full of stuff Ted would have loved to have lived to see.

Thomas3474's photo
Thu 11/04/10 10:46 PM
America is starting to wake up from that coma Obama put it in.

s1owhand's photo
Fri 11/05/10 04:41 AM
laugh

how about no requirement for auto insurance?
how about no requirement for social security insurance?
how about no requirement for unemployment insurance?
aw hell let's just say no requirement for any kind of insurance!

i'd like to see them pass legislation to have no requirement for doctors or lawyers fees too while they're at it.

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Fri 11/05/10 08:13 PM

laugh

how about no requirement for auto insurance?
how about no requirement for social security insurance?
how about no requirement for unemployment insurance?
aw hell let's just say no requirement for any kind of insurance!

i'd like to see them pass legislation to have no requirement for doctors or lawyers fees too while they're at it.


Mandatory Industries are illegal and unconstitutional but that is what we get when we allow lobbying!

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Fri 11/05/10 09:26 PM
Edited by boredinaz06 on Fri 11/05/10 09:26 PM


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Fri 11/05/10 09:46 PM
so...let me understand this..you guys are actually AGAINST free health care coverage for everyone??

most absurd thing Ive ever heard of...huh

mightymoe's photo
Fri 11/05/10 09:54 PM

so...let me understand this..you guys are actually AGAINST free health care coverage for everyone??

most absurd thing Ive ever heard of...huh
free? where did you get free outa this?

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Fri 11/05/10 10:00 PM
free health care, as in provided by the state...no user fees, its paid for by citizen taxes..

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 11/05/10 10:02 PM

free health care, as in provided by the state...no user fees, its paid for by citizen taxes..


If its paid for by citizens tax dollars then its not free!

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