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Topic: Is Waterboarding Torture?
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Mon 11/14/11 05:22 PM

I think anything that puts the fear of god in you (so to speak) is a form of terrorism and torture.


So anyone who drives recklessly, starts a fight, robs a house or causes fear in any way should be convicted for "terrorism and torture"? What about a woman who calls her boyfriend and says "We need to talk...", should she go to prison as a terrorist?


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Mon 11/14/11 05:24 PM










again, all these people talking and no one knows what they are talking about again... no one has ever been harmed or died from waterboarding, all it does is make them uncomfortable for a while... you lefties need to get a life...


There is is another Hannity in the house.

Why don't you test it out


i don't have a big problem with it, unlike the foolish lefties...
i've been through worse...


Please do tell us about it


how about you just keep talking about something you know nothing about, like the rest of the lefties...


Seriously I am interested in hearing what you have been through that is worse than waterboarding.....were you tortured??


i take it you have never broken a bone? or been cut or stabbed? me, all 3... so don't try to compare a few minutes of being uncomfortable with any one of those 3...like i said, not one person has died or been injured in any way during a waterboarding incident...


And there was I thinking you might have had your fingernails pulled out by a pliers or electrodes attached to your testicles


that sounds more like torture, instead of what you lefties consider torture... hell, yall were crying about making a prisoner wear underwear on his head too... silly lefties...


Did you not have a happy childhood Moe
oh wow, great comeback... did someone make you underwear on your head too?...

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Mon 11/14/11 05:25 PM


I think anything that puts the fear of god in you (so to speak) is a form of terrorism and torture.


So anyone who drives recklessly, starts a fight, robs a house or causes fear in any way should be convicted for "terrorism and torture"? What about a woman who calls her boyfriend and says "We need to talk...", should she go to prison as a terrorist?




yes.... women are terrorists, according to the lefties way of thinking...

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Mon 11/14/11 05:26 PM
Edited by Ladylid2012 on Mon 11/14/11 05:29 PM


I think anything that puts the fear of god in you (so to speak) is a form of terrorism and torture.


So anyone who drives recklessly, starts a fight, robs a house or causes fear in any way should be convicted for "terrorism and torture"? What about a woman who calls her boyfriend and says "We need to talk...", should she go to prison as a terrorist?




If I thought you were actually interested instead of just wanting to argue, I may take the time to discuss.....but

I also feel that if you crap your pants and feel like your dying when women talk to ya..maybe ya should just stop talking to women.

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Mon 11/14/11 05:28 PM



I think anything that puts the fear of god in you (so to speak) is a form of terrorism and torture.


So anyone who drives recklessly, starts a fight, robs a house or causes fear in any way should be convicted for "terrorism and torture"? What about a woman who calls her boyfriend and says "We need to talk...", should she go to prison as a terrorist?




If I thought you were actually interested instead of just wanting to argue, I may take the time to discuss.....but


I'm not "interested", I was just pointing out the flaws in your logic.

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Mon 11/14/11 05:30 PM




I think anything that puts the fear of god in you (so to speak) is a form of terrorism and torture.


So anyone who drives recklessly, starts a fight, robs a house or causes fear in any way should be convicted for "terrorism and torture"? What about a woman who calls her boyfriend and says "We need to talk...", should she go to prison as a terrorist?




If I thought you were actually interested instead of just wanting to argue, I may take the time to discuss.....but


I'm not "interested", I was just pointing out the flaws in your logic.


yeah, cuz I care

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Mon 11/14/11 05:31 PM





I think anything that puts the fear of god in you (so to speak) is a form of terrorism and torture.


So anyone who drives recklessly, starts a fight, robs a house or causes fear in any way should be convicted for "terrorism and torture"? What about a woman who calls her boyfriend and says "We need to talk...", should she go to prison as a terrorist?




If I thought you were actually interested instead of just wanting to argue, I may take the time to discuss.....but


I'm not "interested", I was just pointing out the flaws in your logic.


yeah, cuz I care


Of course you don't care if you are illogical, you are a leftist.

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Mon 11/14/11 05:56 PM
Oh to get back on topic.....


President Obama said today that Republican presidential candidates are “wrong” to defend the practice of waterboarding, which he said is torture.

“Waterboarding is torture. It’s contrary to America’s traditions, it’s contrary to our ideals, it’s not who we are, it’s not how we operate,” Obama told reporters at a press conference of the interrogation technique.

Republican Presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain said in a debate Saturday night that they would support the renewed use of waterboarding.

“They’re wrong,” Obama said today. “We did the right thing by ending that practice.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-gop-candidates-wrong-waterboarding-torture-055753364.htmlwaving


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Mon 11/14/11 05:58 PM









Water boarding is considered torture under International Law...Obama banned it in in the US in 2009...It really didn't get much press here in the states until 2004 when it was made public that it was allegedly used in 02 and 03 by the Bush administration as a means of interrogating three suspected a-Qaeda terrorists.....In 02, The US Legal Counsel did write a memorandum which concluded water boarding was NOT torture and could be used for interrogation purposes...Does that make it right? Probably not...I am hard put to choose a side on this one because after 9/11, the game changed.....Those like Herman Cain, Governor Perry, and Michele Bachman who state unequivocally they would reinstate it if they were elected may not be in the majority, but at least they are being up front about it and I am sure they have access to more facts than I do or ever will have...In all honesty, if I was ever in a position where I had to make a choice and I was convinced American lives were at stake and I could save those lives, I would use any means I could to get the information I needed to protect innocent citizens.....PLEASE DON'T WATER BOARD ME!!!:laughing:
They did more than water board. Here are some of the photos look if you wish to be better informed. Warning they are graphic in nature.

Let me fix these for you so people can "LOOK"

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=8560

It makes me sick we have people in our country that do these things and even sicker others allow it.

Thanks for makeing the links live, im still useing the cut and paste method.


Even though you know it doesn't work? rofl And you are critiquing me?
No mam I am thanking you. I am useing a cut and paste of the link then pasteing it to my browser it works just fine, for those who find it to much trouble to left click and paste a live link works just as well.

So they look alot worse than mere water boarding dont they?

Out of the thousands of people tortured I wonder how many were found guilty?


Like Conrad, I wonder if they are real.....
have you come to a verdict Madam?


They look like cheesy amature basement grade mock ups to me Sir...
pathetci isnt it that these young american tortures would even take these photos? its sick, but I can assure you they are not in disupute.

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Mon 11/14/11 05:59 PM

Oh to get back on topic.....


President Obama said today that Republican presidential candidates are “wrong” to defend the practice of waterboarding, which he said is torture.

“Waterboarding is torture. It’s contrary to America’s traditions, it’s contrary to our ideals, it’s not who we are, it’s not how we operate,” Obama told reporters at a press conference of the interrogation technique.

Republican Presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain said in a debate Saturday night that they would support the renewed use of waterboarding.

“They’re wrong,” Obama said today. “We did the right thing by ending that practice.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-gop-candidates-wrong-waterboarding-torture-055753364.htmlwaving


Who cares what a one term, atheist, communist sock puppet has to say?

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Mon 11/14/11 06:01 PM


Oh to get back on topic.....


President Obama said today that Republican presidential candidates are “wrong” to defend the practice of waterboarding, which he said is torture.

“Waterboarding is torture. It’s contrary to America’s traditions, it’s contrary to our ideals, it’s not who we are, it’s not how we operate,” Obama told reporters at a press conference of the interrogation technique.

Republican Presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain said in a debate Saturday night that they would support the renewed use of waterboarding.

“They’re wrong,” Obama said today. “We did the right thing by ending that practice.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-gop-candidates-wrong-waterboarding-torture-055753364.htmlwaving


Who cares what a one term, atheist, communist sock puppet has to say?



at least as many people as care about what anyone posting on mingle has to say,,,(or any other public forum, for that matter)

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Mon 11/14/11 06:02 PM
Beginning in 2004, human rights violations in the form of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse, including torture,[1][2][3] rape,[1][2] sodomy,[3] and homicide[4] of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad Correctional Facility) came to public attention. These acts were committed by military police personnel of the United States Army together with additional US governmental agencies.[5]


Lynndie England holding a leash attached to a prisoner, known to the guards as "Gus", who is lying on the floor
This image of a prisoner being tortured has become famous internationally, eventually making it onto the cover of The Economist (see "Media" below).Revealed in the Taguba Report, an initial criminal investigation by the United States Army Criminal Investigation Command had already been underway, where soldiers of the 320th Military Police Battalion had been charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with prisoner abuse. In 2004, articles describing the abuse, including pictures showing military personnel appearing to abuse prisoners, came to public attention, when a 60 Minutes II news report (April 28) and an article by Seymour M. Hersh in The New Yorker magazine (posted online on April 30 and published days later in the May 10 issue) reported the story.[6]

The United States Department of Defense removed seventeen soldiers and officers from duty, and eleven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Between May 2004 and March 2006, eleven soldiers were convicted in courts martial, sentenced to military prison, and dishonorably discharged from service. Two soldiers, Specialist Charles Graner, and his former fiancée, Specialist Lynndie England, were sentenced to ten years and three years in prison, respectively, in trials ending on January 14, 2005 and September 26, 2005. The commanding officer of all Iraq detention facilities, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, was reprimanded for dereliction of duty and then demoted to the rank of Colonel on May 5, 2005. Col. Karpinski has denied knowledge of the abuses, claiming that the interrogations were authorized by her superiors and performed by subcontractors, and that she was not even allowed entry into the interrogation rooms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

Just the facts Mam

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Mon 11/14/11 06:03 PM


Oh to get back on topic.....


President Obama said today that Republican presidential candidates are “wrong” to defend the practice of waterboarding, which he said is torture.

“Waterboarding is torture. It’s contrary to America’s traditions, it’s contrary to our ideals, it’s not who we are, it’s not how we operate,” Obama told reporters at a press conference of the interrogation technique.

Republican Presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain said in a debate Saturday night that they would support the renewed use of waterboarding.

“They’re wrong,” Obama said today. “We did the right thing by ending that practice.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-gop-candidates-wrong-waterboarding-torture-055753364.htmlwaving


Who cares what a one term, atheist, communist sock puppet has to say?
I care

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Mon 11/14/11 06:06 PM



Oh to get back on topic.....


President Obama said today that Republican presidential candidates are “wrong” to defend the practice of waterboarding, which he said is torture.

“Waterboarding is torture. It’s contrary to America’s traditions, it’s contrary to our ideals, it’s not who we are, it’s not how we operate,” Obama told reporters at a press conference of the interrogation technique.

Republican Presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain said in a debate Saturday night that they would support the renewed use of waterboarding.

“They’re wrong,” Obama said today. “We did the right thing by ending that practice.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-gop-candidates-wrong-waterboarding-torture-055753364.htmlwaving


Who cares what a one term, atheist, communist sock puppet has to say?
I care


Well, I certainly hope that you don't go around broadcasting that. It will hurt public opinion of your ability to make sound judgements when, in 20-30 years, the next Generation looks back and collectively screams "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!".

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Mon 11/14/11 06:08 PM




Oh to get back on topic.....


President Obama said today that Republican presidential candidates are “wrong” to defend the practice of waterboarding, which he said is torture.

“Waterboarding is torture. It’s contrary to America’s traditions, it’s contrary to our ideals, it’s not who we are, it’s not how we operate,” Obama told reporters at a press conference of the interrogation technique.

Republican Presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain said in a debate Saturday night that they would support the renewed use of waterboarding.

“They’re wrong,” Obama said today. “We did the right thing by ending that practice.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-gop-candidates-wrong-waterboarding-torture-055753364.htmlwaving


Who cares what a one term, atheist, communist sock puppet has to say?
I care


Well, I certainly hope that you don't go around broadcasting that. It will hurt public opinion of your ability to make sound judgements when, in 20-30 years, the next Generation looks back and collectively screams "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!".
I think we are saying that now about what happened in the last ten years dude.........laugh

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Mon 11/14/11 06:09 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 11/14/11 06:09 PM




Oh to get back on topic.....


President Obama said today that Republican presidential candidates are “wrong” to defend the practice of waterboarding, which he said is torture.

“Waterboarding is torture. It’s contrary to America’s traditions, it’s contrary to our ideals, it’s not who we are, it’s not how we operate,” Obama told reporters at a press conference of the interrogation technique.

Republican Presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain said in a debate Saturday night that they would support the renewed use of waterboarding.

“They’re wrong,” Obama said today. “We did the right thing by ending that practice.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-gop-candidates-wrong-waterboarding-torture-055753364.htmlwaving


Who cares what a one term, atheist, communist sock puppet has to say?
I care


Well, I certainly hope that you don't go around broadcasting that. It will hurt public opinion of your ability to make sound judgements when, in 20-30 years, the next Generation looks back and collectively screams "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!".




IM doubting that will happen, for better or worse

I Really dont think mainstream modern culture or those after it will be doing much to raise generations who will care further than their next computer or video game about much of anything, let alone anything in the PAST,,,,

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Mon 11/14/11 06:11 PM

BestInShow said...

I think we are saying that now about what happened in the last ten years dude.........laugh


George Bushes Presidency certainly was not good for the USA, but I think it's clear that his Presidency (however deficient it was) was better than the possible Presidencies offered by his opponents.

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Mon 11/14/11 06:30 PM


BestInShow said...

I think we are saying that now about what happened in the last ten years dude.........laugh


George Bushes Presidency certainly was not good for the USA, but I think it's clear that his Presidency (however deficient it was) was better than the possible Presidencies offered by his opponents.
Realy? do you think if some criminals in Afghanistan attacked america( if you buy all that) do you think we would have attacked Canada instead?

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Mon 11/14/11 06:54 PM

BestInShow wrote:

Realy? do you think if some criminals in Afghanistan attacked america( if you buy all that) do you think we would have attacked Canada instead?


Oh wow, a truther.

No, we wouldn't have attacked Canada. If Gore had won, we wouldn't have gone to war with Afghanistan either. Gore's mind probably works on the same level as our current President, so he would have apologized for our existence and then he would have offended a couple of our allies.

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Mon 11/14/11 08:20 PM





There is a big difference in the opinions of the GOP candidates
concerning waterboarding. Some feel it is illegal torture, some say they would implement this procedure if in the white house.

I think anything that puts the fear of god in you (so to speak) is a form of terrorism and torture.

What say you?


I do not know what waterboarding is as I am fairly apolitical, but yes fear is a tactic used by despots & criminals who cannot gain cooperation because they are hurting/harming

so anything/anyone that instills fear is a form of terrorism in my opinion also


Well that can be used for anything then. My parents say if I don't get good grades I will be punished. I am scared of being punished = terrorism. Lawyers say if I don't confess and get convicted I could get the death penalty= terrorism. ETC. See how that doesn't work? Some people are afraid of what the Presidents policies are doing to this country. Does that make the president a terrorist? I don't think so but by your definition its a yes.


no I do not

you should not be afraid of your parents to the point you feel terror

but most people are haters so tho I do not agree I do understand

don;t hate


and of course criminal acts - and efforts of self defense are a slightly different matter - a criminal was the terrorist first - but I do believe that efforts to deal with crime should be in the legal framework of equal reaction - in fact that is the law - self defense for those trained may not legally use tactics that exert force to restrain beyond what is needed to restrain/punish

the punishment must fit the crime - to go beyond that is terrorism

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