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Well of course people s firmness in their belief is different t but it is a belief none the less. Atheism is also a belief but some tend to forget that. Chazster, I agree with much of what you say in this thread. And I do agree that many atheists believe in the non-existence of God - this is an atheist belief, and its called 'strong atheism'. However, there are atheists who do not believe in the non-existence of god, we simply lack belief in the existence of god. This is called 'weak atheism'. Weak atheism is not a belief. Since atheism encompasses both strong and weak atheism, we cannot say that atheism is a belief. |
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Bushidobillyclub
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its very nice to see that kind of warmth maybe atheists may show up to some tent revivals with apologetic signs about how some of them judge christians,,,, it will be progress in uniting all imperfect people Way to spoil the theme . . . |
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its very nice to see that kind of warmth maybe atheists may show up to some tent revivals with apologetic signs about how some of them judge christians,,,, it will be progress in uniting all imperfect people Way to spoil the theme . . . Too funny. I guess strictly speaking for me; I don't believe in anything. The difference is that I don't go knocking on doors and try to convert Christians to become Aetheist. I just leave them be and wish they would respect that with me. |
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The funny thing... is that I find the most homophobic people I know have never once set foot in a church.. I also find that extremist liberals are the ones preaching how we should be living.. |
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Well of course people s firmness in their belief is different t but it is a belief none the less. Atheism is also a belief but some tend to forget that. Chazster, I agree with much of what you say in this thread. And I do agree that many atheists believe in the non-existence of God - this is an atheist belief, and its called 'strong atheism'. However, there are atheists who do not believe in the non-existence of god, we simply lack belief in the existence of god. This is called 'weak atheism'. Weak atheism is not a belief. Since atheism encompasses both strong and weak atheism, we cannot say that atheism is a belief. I thought that was agnostic. Maybe I am wrong. |
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Agnostics believe that the existence of god is unknown, correct? Rather than lacking belief that there is a god.
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Agnostics believe that the existence of god is unknown, correct? Rather than lacking belief that there is a god. yea... 
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Many would disagree that God is a myth. If that is your belief that is fine. But stop pretending it is a stayement of fact. There is no basis for that belief exceptactually having that belief. Just like those who believe in god should stop pretending it's a fact he exists? Most Christians state it as a belief. Even look at the Catholic Churches creed. The first line is. I BELIEVE IN one God. Right there it says believe. That is why it's called faith. Because if you knew for sure then you couldn't have faith. faith and fact are opposites... saying there are bears in the woods is a fact, saying there are dragons is faith... just because someone believes something doesn't make it a fact... you argued that in the 911 treads... Not sure if you are expanding my point or misunderstood it. To clarify I am in agreement with you. i guess i misread it... i do that sometimes... 
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Many would disagree that God is a myth. If that is your belief that is fine. But stop pretending it is a stayement of fact. There is no basis for that belief exceptactually having that belief. Just like those who believe in god should stop pretending it's a fact he exists? Most Christians state it as a belief. Even look at the Catholic Churches creed. The first line is. I BELIEVE IN one God. Right there it says believe. That is why it's called faith. Because if you knew for sure then you couldn't have faith. faith and fact are opposites... saying there are bears in the woods is a fact, saying there are dragons is faith... just because someone believes something doesn't make it a fact... you argued that in the 911 treads... faith and fact are not opposites,, I have faith my dad is my dad but I never had a dna test to PROVE it. THAt has nothing to do with whether a dna test would indeed prove my belief to be true. people can have faith in many things and some may turn out to be factual and some may not. ummm... if you have faith that your dad is your father, then you don't know.... not a fact... |
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huh? fact: something that has actual existence thats it there are many unknown facts being discovered everyday. ANd no, not everything we believe is a fact, but some of the things we believe are a fact (as in ACTUAL AND REAL) if the dna came back positive its a fact that my dad is my dad,, the dna didnt make it a fact, it was already a fact, the dna just helps PROVE Its a fact before the proof comes the belief,,,but the fact is constant i have to call you wrong on that...it is not a fact till proven...regardless what you call it.. |
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huh? fact: something that has actual existence thats it there are many unknown facts being discovered everyday. ANd no, not everything we believe is a fact, but some of the things we believe are a fact (as in ACTUAL AND REAL) if the dna came back positive its a fact that my dad is my dad,, the dna didnt make it a fact, it was already a fact, the dna just helps PROVE Its a fact before the proof comes the belief,,,but the fact is constant I think I get what you're saying...DNA does not make your dad your dad, the relationship the two of you share is what makes him your dad....However DNA does determine if he is in "fact" your biological father...... Does this mean it is a "fact" that both you and Moe are correct???????????  |
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Edited by
massagetrade
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Well of course people s firmness in their belief is different t but it is a belief none the less. Atheism is also a belief but some tend to forget that. Chazster, I agree with much of what you say in this thread. And I do agree that many atheists believe in the non-existence of God - this is an atheist belief, and its called 'strong atheism'. However, there are atheists who do not believe in the non-existence of god, we simply lack belief in the existence of god. This is called 'weak atheism'. Weak atheism is not a belief. Since atheism encompasses both strong and weak atheism, we cannot say that atheism is a belief. I thought that was agnostic. Maybe I am wrong. You are not alone in that usage. Go to a social gathering of people who are neither atheists nor philosophers and poll people, and you will find most will say something like "theist means you believe in a god, atheism means you believe their is no god, and agnostic means you aren't sure". Dictionaries follow the way that people use language. If a majority of mainstream people use language a certain way, it is eventually considered 'correct'. Most general-use dictionaries only give the most superficial or popular aspects of how a word is used. Fortunately oxford does not: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheism Nor does wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism Which is good, because language ought to help us explore the nuances of belief, not make it harder.  http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/you-are-agnostic I won't include this image inline here, because its so big, but its worth taking a glance: http://freethinker.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/final6.jpg This page might also be of interest: http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist4.htm |
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I think I get what you're saying...DNA does not make your dad your dad, the relationship the two of you share is what makes him your dad....However DNA does determine if he is in "fact" your biological father...... I thought MsHarmony was saying that facts are true whether are not we personally have evidence to support the fact. I thought her point was that faith and facts are not opposites - indeed we must, every time we believe in something without evidence, have faith in it. And I feel that you, Leigh, are introducing a cool new semantic twist, which is: differentiating between an father defined by feelings and relationships, and father defined by genetics.  |
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I think I get what you're saying...DNA does not make your dad your dad, the relationship the two of you share is what makes him your dad....However DNA does determine if he is in "fact" your biological father...... I thought MsHarmony was saying that facts are true whether are not we personally have evidence to support the fact. I thought her point was that faith and facts are not opposites - indeed we must, every time we believe in something without evidence, have faith in it. And I feel that you, Leigh, are introducing a cool new semantic twist, which is: differentiating between an father defined by feelings and relationships, and father defined by genetics. Thank you darlin!...Semantics...word play...meaning...interpretation...Combine that with a vairety of very fine minds and you will always come up with some really cool facts..... 
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Agnostics believe that the existence of god is unknown, correct? Rather than lacking belief that there is a god. those words have become subjectively used over the years, depends upon whom you ask my source, WEbsters dictionary ,, says this atheist: one who believes THERE IS NO DEITY agnostic: a person who believes that any ultimate reality (like God)is unknown and probably unknowable |
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Many would disagree that God is a myth. If that is your belief that is fine. But stop pretending it is a stayement of fact. There is no basis for that belief exceptactually having that belief. Just like those who believe in god should stop pretending it's a fact he exists? Most Christians state it as a belief. Even look at the Catholic Churches creed. The first line is. I BELIEVE IN one God. Right there it says believe. That is why it's called faith. Because if you knew for sure then you couldn't have faith. faith and fact are opposites... saying there are bears in the woods is a fact, saying there are dragons is faith... just because someone believes something doesn't make it a fact... you argued that in the 911 treads... faith and fact are not opposites,, I have faith my dad is my dad but I never had a dna test to PROVE it. THAt has nothing to do with whether a dna test would indeed prove my belief to be true. people can have faith in many things and some may turn out to be factual and some may not. ummm... if you have faith that your dad is your father, then you don't know.... not a fact... so you believe if I dont see the tree in a forest, the tree is not a fact? not actual?..... I disagree actuality isnt dependent upon whats been proven, or personally observed a fact will be a fact from its existence, not from its discovery,, |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html
on the other hand....psychology isn't a real science. 
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I think I get what you're saying...DNA does not make your dad your dad, the relationship the two of you share is what makes him your dad....However DNA does determine if he is in "fact" your biological father...... I thought MsHarmony was saying that facts are true whether are not we personally have evidence to support the fact. I thought her point was that faith and facts are not opposites - indeed we must, every time we believe in something without evidence, have faith in it. And I feel that you, Leigh, are introducing a cool new semantic twist, which is: differentiating between an father defined by feelings and relationships, and father defined by genetics. this^ discovery doesnt make it fact, it being ACTUAL makes it a fact (before, during, and after its 'discovery') |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html on the other hand....psychology isn't a real science. lol,,,,pretty much but its an interesting trial and error, study and survey, profession,,,, |
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Many would disagree that God is a myth. If that is your belief that is fine. But stop pretending it is a stayement of fact. There is no basis for that belief exceptactually having that belief. Just like those who believe in god should stop pretending it's a fact he exists? Most Christians state it as a belief. Even look at the Catholic Churches creed. The first line is. I BELIEVE IN one God. Right there it says believe. That is why it's called faith. Because if you knew for sure then you couldn't have faith. faith and fact are opposites... saying there are bears in the woods is a fact, saying there are dragons is faith... just because someone believes something doesn't make it a fact... you argued that in the 911 treads... faith and fact are not opposites,, I have faith my dad is my dad but I never had a dna test to PROVE it. THAt has nothing to do with whether a dna test would indeed prove my belief to be true. people can have faith in many things and some may turn out to be factual and some may not. ummm... if you have faith that your dad is your father, then you don't know.... not a fact... Did you see the definition of fact I put? A fact is something which can be proven. Just because you don't know your father is truly your father doesn't mean it isn't a fact. For example. A child may not know the sun is at the center of our solar system but it is still a fact. It us important to know this definition as politicians will use it. You have seen candidates running commercials saying Fact.... about the other candidate. They can give false information but ad long as that information can be disproven it is still a fact. As a fact doesn't have to be true in these sense. |
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