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Topic: Sex and Single Christians
Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Tue 04/09/13 01:07 PM
There is something happening on this site that I find disturbing. During conversations about sexual activity, it isn't uncommon for singles claiming to be Christians to condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage. Since such a thing happens in forums that involve non-Christians, I haven't challenged such thinking on biblical grounds, because non-Christians don't accept the Bible as their guide for living. So, I want to address this topic in this forum, so that Christians can talk among themselves about it without interference from non-Christians. So, how do single Christians who condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage reconcile their belief about sex to the teachings of the Bible? Is there just cause for Christians to condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage, or are Christians who do so just trying to serve two masters?

manOfewwords Joined Wed 10/22/08 Posts: 29908	Tue 04/09/13 01:29 PM
very good subject, dodo. I'm really interested in seeing some of the responses....if there are any..

Brainiac42 Joined Fri 03/08/13 Posts: 19	Tue 04/09/13 01:30 PM
That is a good question. I am currently tackling this question myself. I will be honest with you, I do think about sex. I want to get married someday. Right now, I have to be patient and work on myself. I still do think about sex.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/09/13 01:39 PM
There is something happening on this site that I find disturbing. During conversations about sexual activity, it isn't uncommon for singles claiming to be Christians to condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage. Since such a thing happens in forums that involve non-Christians, I haven't challenged such thinking on biblical grounds, because non-Christians don't accept the Bible as their guide for living. So, I want to address this topic in this forum, so that Christians can talk among themselves about it without interference from non-Christians. So, how do single Christians who condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage reconcile their belief about sex to the teachings of the Bible? Is there just cause for Christians to condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage, or are Christians who do so just trying to serve two masters? the bible instructs that we leave our parents home and cleave to our woman/man marriage and weddings are not specifically outlined in the bible , so it is reasonable that people may have less of a clear idea of what it should entail I think the tradition of marriage is important as is wedding, but I dont necessarily believe that God requires a legal contract or a tradtional ceremony I think the bonding of marriage comes from a vow to God, just like the vow when we are reborn,,, it is privbate and personal and not necessarily one that requires more than God and man and woman Adam and Eve were married, they were instructed to be fruitful, though I know of no legal contract or ceremony that made it so,, other than Gods command,,,, ,,saying all that to say, many christians believe that it is the commitment and relationship the couple have with each other and God that creates the marriage, and sex between such a couple is within the guidelines of the bible,,,

manOfewwords Joined Wed 10/22/08 Posts: 29908	Tue 04/09/13 02:01 PM
when I was going up the pastor at the church we went used to say "don't ask a Christian how a Christian should live, ask a sinner how a Christian should live". I always thought that was pretty good...

CremeBrulee Joined Tue 11/06/12 Posts: 2726	Tue 04/09/13 02:04 PM Edited by CremeBrulee on Tue 04/09/13 02:06 PM
Oh dear,Let me shoot myself before i start!! Uuuuuufffff OK, Personally,i have been celibate for close to 4yrs-it was a personal choice and i dont shout it from the rooftops either! Yes,i agree,i made a vow to myself and to The One Up High,but it was also for health purposes(am a counselor for HIV/AIDS,and i know what it can do,yet with all the promiscuity in my country..........) Although,as a youngster,these i wasnt thinking about..... To me,marriage IS between two people,blessed by God! But also,on the other hand,we are humans,weak of both body and spirit! Not many women can be celibate for even a year..... Yet,like in my case,marriageable men dont walk by everyday....what does a christian single do in such cases??? Because,to some,when the body demands-it demands and wants what it wants!!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/09/13 02:04 PM
interesting approach for a pastor christians are sinners, we all are,, christians are just repentant sinners,,,,

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14505	Tue 04/09/13 02:09 PM
There is no just cause for Christians to condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage, Sexual Immorality is a Sin. Do you not know your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All others sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. (I Corinthians 6:15-20) NIV

DX3FortyNine Joined Fri 11/09/12 Posts: 12	Tue 04/09/13 02:10 PM
Hmmm... not really! Christians = sinners SAVED by grace. non Christians = sinners!

manOfewwords Joined Wed 10/22/08 Posts: 29908	Tue 04/09/13 02:11 PM
interesting approach for a pastor christians are sinners, we all are,, christians are just repentant sinners,,,, ok have it your way, a non practicing Christian..

CremeBrulee Joined Tue 11/06/12 Posts: 2726	Tue 04/09/13 02:11 PM
interesting approach for a pastor christians are sinners, we all are,, christians are just repentant sinners,,,, See,its just that some xtians give xtianity a very bad name/image! Where i come from,the worst person anyone would get close to is a born again Xtian.......yet,we lead bu example!! I mean,how'd you expect non Xtian to convert when theres nothing worth converting for but bad manners and such??

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/09/13 02:14 PM
There is no just cause for Christians to condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage, Sexual Immorality is a Sin. Do you not know your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All others sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. (I Corinthians 6:15-20) NIV 21 And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her. 22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast. 23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her. 24 And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid. 25 And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me? 26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. 27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. 28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also. biblical marriage BEGAN at the cosummation, not with ceremony,,,or legal contract,,,

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14505	Tue 04/09/13 03:35 PM Edited by Toodygirl5 on Tue 04/09/13 03:44 PM
biblical marriage BEGAN at the cosummation, not with ceremony,,,or legal contract,,, MsHarmony my Scriptures are not in reference to a Ceremony! My Scriptures are in reference to "Fornication". If a man has sexual intercourse with someone other than his Wife, he is committing Fornication. Fornication is a Sin according to the Bible. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. (I Cornithians 6:13,14) kjv Added these Scriptures for a better Understanding.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/09/13 03:38 PM
biblical marriage BEGAN at the cosummation, not with ceremony,,,or legal contract,,, Ms. Harmony my Scripture are not in reference to a Ceremony! My Scriptures are in reference to "Fornication". If a man has sexual intercourse with someone other than his Wife, he is committing Fornication. Fornication is a Sin according to the Bible. I agree, but I believe the confusion is in what defines the 'wife' if it requires a ceremony, a legal paper, or just the vow to each other before God there are many types of commitments/marriages, but when people say sex outside of marriage is a sin, they dont always specify what they define as 'marriage'

dmckinnon Joined Tue 03/19/13 Posts: 323	Tue 04/09/13 03:39 PM
So, how do single Christians who condone sexual intercourse outside of marriage reconcile their belief about sex to the teachings of the Bible? I really have no opinion on this, because God has already ruled on it.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14505	Tue 04/09/13 03:49 PM
biblical marriage BEGAN at the cosummation, not with ceremony,,,or legal contract,,, Ms. Harmony my Scripture are not in reference to a Ceremony! My Scriptures are in reference to "Fornication". If a man has sexual intercourse with someone other than his Wife, he is committing Fornication. Fornication is a Sin according to the Bible. I agree, but I believe the confusion is in what defines the 'wife' if it requires a ceremony, a legal paper, or just the vow to each other before God there are many types of commitments/marriages, but when people say sex outside of marriage is a sin, they dont always specify what they define as 'marriage' The Bible defines what marriage is! There is No confusion for Believers.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14505	Tue 04/09/13 05:01 PM
if it requires a ceremony, a legal paper, or just the vow to each other before God there are many types of commitments/marriages, but when people say sex outside of marriage is a sin, they dont always specify what they define as 'marriage' And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: (John 2:1) kjv A marriage- Little is known of how a wedding was performed in the Holy Land in the first century, but clearly the feast was very important. To fail in proper hospitality was a serious offense.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Tue 04/09/13 05:46 PM
There are certain things that an individual must have in order to remain alive, such as oxygen, food, water, etc. Sexual intercourse isn't one of those things. So, single Christians are fooling nobody but themselves by claiming that they must give their flesh sexual intercourse if that is what their flesh craves. Also, it is an error to try to re-define marriage in order to have an excuse for having sexual intercourse with someone to whom one is not legally married. In Romans chapter 7, the Apostle Paul reveals that he still struggled with personal sin despite the fact that he was an Apostle. In making such a revelation, Paul set an example for Christians to follow. If we are struggling with a particular sin, then we need to be honest and admit that the struggle exists, instead of making excuses for the particular sin. Our Heavenly Father knows that we will continue to sin while we remain on this side of Eternity, which why in the 1st chapter of 1 John we are told to confess our sins. It is all too common for us Christians to try to save face by refusing to acknowledge any temptation to sin, let alone to acknowledge giving in to temptation. However, the effort to save face does not work in the long run.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/09/13 07:27 PM
biblical marriage BEGAN at the cosummation, not with ceremony,,,or legal contract,,, Ms. Harmony my Scripture are not in reference to a Ceremony! My Scriptures are in reference to "Fornication". If a man has sexual intercourse with someone other than his Wife, he is committing Fornication. Fornication is a Sin according to the Bible. I agree, but I believe the confusion is in what defines the 'wife' if it requires a ceremony, a legal paper, or just the vow to each other before God there are many types of commitments/marriages, but when people say sex outside of marriage is a sin, they dont always specify what they define as 'marriage' The Bible defines what marriage is! There is No confusion for Believers. where is the scripture that defines marriage?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 04/09/13 07:30 PM Edited by msharmony on Tue 04/09/13 07:43 PM
There are certain things that an individual must have in order to remain alive, such as oxygen, food, water, etc. Sexual intercourse isn't one of those things. So, single Christians are fooling nobody but themselves by claiming that they must give their flesh sexual intercourse if that is what their flesh craves. Also, it is an error to try to re-define marriage in order to have an excuse for having sexual intercourse with someone to whom one is not legally married. In Romans chapter 7, the Apostle Paul reveals that he still struggled with personal sin despite the fact that he was an Apostle. In making such a revelation, Paul set an example for Christians to follow. If we are struggling with a particular sin, then we need to be honest and admit that the struggle exists, instead of making excuses for the particular sin. Our Heavenly Father knows that we will continue to sin while we remain on this side of Eternity, which why in the 1st chapter of 1 John we are told to confess our sins. It is all too common for us Christians to try to save face by refusing to acknowledge any temptation to sin, let alone to acknowledge giving in to temptation. However, the effort to save face does not work in the long run. there is still no direction in the bible as to what entails a marriage, what we have is just the traditions we know of from that time,,,,but neither God nor Jesus instructs us on how to 'become married' the direction is just to cleave and procreate,,,the rest is mans traditions,,,which I personally believe are important in terms of setting standards culturally speaking,, but religiously speaking the covenant, any covenant we make with God is not one that requires mans intervention or license just my interpretation based on what is and is not in the bibles directions ..... Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?”