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Topic: The Hatred in the Heart of White America
markray81's photo
Mon 04/29/13 07:24 PM
is rare?? put down that freaking crack pipe

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 04/29/13 07:24 PM
There are no "innocent" parties as all have [sic] benifited .


huh Are you saying that victims of racial discrimination are not innocent because they somehow benefited from the racial discrimination?

Ras427's photo
Mon 04/29/13 07:44 PM
Edited by Ras427 on Mon 04/29/13 07:46 PM

There are no "innocent" parties as all have [sic] benifited .


huh Are you saying that victims of racial discrimination are not innocent because they somehow benefited from the racial discrimination?
my post was clear, how you came to your conclusion is beyond me. My reference to innocent is in regards to America. Have the Indians bitterness hurt innocents, have the Jews bitterness towards the Holocaust and Nazis hurt innocents?

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 04/29/13 07:50 PM


There are no "innocent" parties as all have [sic] benifited .


huh Are you saying that victims of racial discrimination are not innocent because they somehow benefited from the racial discrimination?
my post was clear, how you came to your conclusion is beyond me. My reference to innocent is in regards to America. Have the Indians bitterness hurt innocents, have the Jews bitterness towards the Holocaust and Nazis hurt innocents?


The last time that I checked, "no innocent parties" mean "no innocent parties". You are the one who claimed that there are no innocent parties. I simply took your claim to a logical conclusion.

msharmony's photo
Tue 04/30/13 12:27 AM











It was cool and rainy Sunday morning when the bomb ripped through the building. At 10:22, a group of children was just heading into the basement to hear a sermon at the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala. According to a Washington Post account at the time: Dozens of survivors, their faces dripping blood from the glass that flew out of the church's stained glass windows, staggered around the building in a cloud of white dust raised by the explosion.

Four girls were killed. The head of one little girl was found far from her body. Twenty-two others were injured. Wandering through his devastated church, the Rev. John H. Cross found a megaphone and asked the enraged and stunned crowd to disperse. "The Lord is our shepherd," he sobbed, "we shall not want."

This week, Congress marked the 50th anniversary of that terror attack by posthumously awarding the Congressional Gold Medal to Denise McNair, Carole Robertson, Addie Mae Collins and Cynthia Wesley.

We Americans are not confused about the morality of what happened in Birmingham that September morning in 1963, nor during the Jim Crow era in America generally. We do not hesitate to condemn utterly the behavior and the beliefs of the Ku Klux Klan (the perpetrators of this bombing and others) and their white supremacist fellow travelers. We do not worry that reviling white supremacists and their grotesque deeds will somehow taint all white people.

But when it comes to other groups and other motives for the same kind of terrorism — we lose our moral focus. Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and Kathy Boudin have become honored members of the faculties at leading universities. Ayers is even the friend of the president of the United States. Regarding his own record of setting bombs that kill and dismember innocent people, Ayers told The New York Times on the ironic date of Sept. 11, 2001 that "I feel we didn't do enough ... (there's) a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance." So says a retired "distinguished professor" at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Today, American liberals are obsessed not with terrorism but with the color and ethnicity of terrorists. They can readily enough attribute violent tendencies to groups they dislike — the tea party, for example, which hasn't committed so much as a littering offense. But when it comes to Islamic terrorism, their voices falter.

Attorney General Eric Holder, asked whether three attacks on the United States (the underwear bomber, the Times Square bomber and Maj. Nidal Hassan) could be attributed to "Islamic" radicalism, refused to say so. Asked repeatedly whether religious motives played a role, Holder would say only, "there are a variety of reasons why people have taken these actions." Janet Napolitano has been quick to dismiss terror attempts as "one offs." Would Holder and Napolitano say the same about white supremacists? Each one had his own motivations and we can't surmise what those factors were?

There is a tendency among many on the left to temper their disgust and indignation at political violence (i.e. terror) if the terrorist is from the "correct" group. "Muslim ... means not being white" Peter Beinert writes in the Daily Beast.

Beinert and other liberals imagine that the U.S. is a cauldron of teeming racism with the lid barely kept down. At the first acknowledgment that Islamists (some, but by no means, all of whom are dark skinned) present a continuing threat, the lid will fly off and white American vigilantes, given permission, will start shooting black and brown people on the streets, burning their shops, and bombing mosques.

The hatred that Islamism preaches, lauds and inspires is a nuisance, liberals may concede. But the hatred in the heart of "white America" is the greater danger.

Mona Charen's column is released once a week.
Do you believe her?



well, I think the author makes an irrelvant point about the color or muslims,, they are all colors, as this past bombing exemplifies


but as far as danger, I think the human tendency is to deal with the 'danger' in front of us rather than the one around the road

the nature of being an american,, and living in the USA, means we are most closely affected by the racism within our own borders,,,,rather than the hatred others around the world may feel for us

we are much more impacted on a much more regular basis by the racism that happens inside our country, than we are by the terrorists who slip in form other countries,,,,

so, I dont compare danger as being 'greater', but I feel racism is the most 'present and clear' danger that affects our country,,,





Racism exists throughout the world. It has always existed and will continue to exist.

Humans have never escaped their tribal roots and they will always maintain a comfort zone amongst others that are similar to themselves.

No amount of forced diversity or political correctness is going to change human nature.









the abolishment of slavery and jim crow shows that we can evolve and change 'human nature',,,,,not that we will ever completely rid the world or the usa of racist ideals or perceptions ,, but we can stigmatize racist behavior , actions, words,, and stigma can reduce how often we see things occurring,,,


slavery and jim crow were not human nature. they were accepted and institutionalized by governments.

slavery and jim crow cannot exist without the complicity of government.

people of all races arose and said enough is enough.

the macro level of racism that was acceptable due to government involvement has passed.

the micro level of racism that exists amongst certain individuals that work outside the boundaries of entire groups will never cease regardless of what you do.

people preferring to associate within their own race or ethnicity is human nature and will never change.







I will agree to disagree about what 'human nature' is,,, I personally believe racism is learned behavior,,, my personal observation of children who are very young is they just wanted to play with each other,, they saw each other as another 'child' instead of another 'race'....


people seek to belong, they are taught what 'groups' they belong in,,,,,,


I will also agree to disagree with your examples.

Do you think that whites learning diversity and blacks learning about how evil whites were during slavery and jim crow is the kind of learning that will end racism?



Truth must always be told regardless of the effect it will cause. Slavery and Jim Crow are American history. Will we remove those facts from the history books? Im sure some will try as its been done before. I know and understand that Mantattan island was not bought or sold for 24$, yet we as a society prefer that it be the accepted version as it helps ease the conscious as well as remove guilt for future generations. In other words, we as a society prefer the lie. I dont, iv taught my children the truth, and erasing, altering or rewriting our history will do little to teach other generations. Racism has nothing to do with culture, tradition nor tribal identity, nationalism only exalts the social, economic and political asperations of a people, RACISM is the exact opposite, to deny others of those rights. America is suffering from a severe after effect it created from her very foundation. Two things will bring racism to its knees, truth justice and equality, without those three total SEPERATION is whats left. Our country is headed for destruction. I for one urge the truth be told always, denying it to WHITEWASH history is ubsurd.


There is a difference between teaching children about the way things were during an earlier century and teaching children to have bitterness in their hearts because of what happened to their ancestors.
Truth is often bitter and, no one including you can define what truth should be taught nor what the effect will be. The victim of injustice will taste the bitterness of truth, but through that bitterness comes understanding. Only fools love those who have created that bitterness. The TRUTH only hurt the guilty, only the guilty wants truth silenced as it reveals a pattern. TRUTH DOES NOT CREATE BITTERNESS, TRUTH EXPOSES ITS ORIGIN.


It isn't unusual for people to become bitter about what happened to their ancestors and then to take their bitterness out on innocent parties.



people are inhumane to each other for many reasons,,,,

being aware and cautious of past custom, tradition, history, does not autonmatically equate to being 'bitter' or taking it out on anyone


Dodo_David's photo
Tue 04/30/13 04:55 PM
people are inhumane to each other for many reasons,,,,

being aware and cautious of past custom, tradition, history, does not autonmatically equate to being 'bitter' or taking it out on anyone


I wasn't referring to people being aware and cautious.
I was referring to people being bitter.


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