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proof of cultural divide the witness testimony so far says to me that Z wasn't sustaining life threatening injuries during the fight, and that Z had mma training himself that kind of begs the question of why he 'had to shoot' T,, without ever even landing a punch himself,,, being some forty pounds heavier than T at the time,,,,sounds more to me like he just wanted to shoot him,,,,and was able to start a confrontation that would give him an excuse,,,, Many people are just afraid of blacks in general, because blacks have been "stero typed" by many as bad men, young thugs, gang bangers etc. Some people would just shoot first, when they see a black man or teen in a suspicious situation, even if there would be no trouble. T was just "stero typed". Imo it's possible that those stereotypes exsited that night and they definitely have been around for a long time as have all kinds of other stereotypes. I am just not sure they were a factor on that night in that shooting you have a good heart the kid was walking to the store during the intermission of a game he was watching with his little brother, he was getting candy and probably finding some time to chat alone with his female friend by cell he hung out under shelter for a bit when it started to rain and then tried to find his stepmothers home again in a community where the homes looked alike zimmerman was going to the store too, but decided to stop his vehicle to watch the kid because he was 'suspicious' to him,,,then decided to get out the car and follow the kid, then decided after the kid lost him once to run after him again,,,,, no real subtext, unfortunately, no drugs, no nothing just paranoia,, on the part of a zimmerman who felt he was protector against 'goons' who get away,,, and on the part of a kid who was being followed around late at night in an area he wasnt familiar with,,, |
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proof of cultural divide the witness testimony so far says to me that Z wasn't sustaining life threatening injuries during the fight, and that Z had mma training himself that kind of begs the question of why he 'had to shoot' T,, without ever even landing a punch himself,,, being some forty pounds heavier than T at the time,,,,sounds more to me like he just wanted to shoot him,,,,and was able to start a confrontation that would give him an excuse,,,, Many people are just afraid of blacks in general, because blacks have been "stero typed" by many as bad men, young thugs, gang bangers etc. Some people would just shoot first, when they see a black man or teen in a suspicious situation, even if there would be no trouble. T was just "stero typed". Imo it's possible that those stereotypes exsited that night and they definitely have been around for a long time as have all kinds of other stereotypes. I am just not sure they were a factor on that night in that shooting you have a good heart the kid was walking to the store during the intermission of a game he was watching with his little brother, he was getting candy and probably finding some time to chat alone with his female friend by cell he hung out under shelter for a bit when it started to rain and then tried to find his stepmothers home again in a community where the homes looked alike zimmerman was going to the store too, but decided to stop his vehicle to watch the kid because he was 'suspicious' to him,,,then decided to get out the car and follow the kid, then decided after the kid lost him once to run after him again,,,,, no real subtext, unfortunately, no drugs, no nothing just paranoia,, on the part of a zimmerman who felt he was protector against 'goons' who get away,,, and on the part of a kid who was being followed around late at night in an area he wasnt familiar with,,, I agree . . . and what if Martin caught a glimpse of the gun that Zimmerman was carrying. Wouldn't that have caused Martin to fear for his life? |
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Whole bunch of 'what ifs.
 Looking like prosecution got jack and is failing at nailing big Z |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 06/30/13 08:44 AM
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looks like people gonna believe what they want to believe based upon the 'FACTS'
from my perspective FACT: Zimmerman was 10 years oider than T and armed with a gun that could be seen when he moved FACT: ZImmerman had a documented history of putting his hands on people FACT: ZImmerman was upset at the idea that this person may get away before cops arrived (To do nothing since he had broken no law) FACT: Although ZImmerman had received beatings from GROWN MAN willingly being trained in MMA gym,,,,he claims to have felt in IMMINENT danger from a 5 foot 11, 158 pound boy FACT: no evidence ZImmerman even TRIED to use his HANDS , FIGHT to protect himelf like most reasonable folks do in a fight FACT: Zimmerman and phone witness verify ZImmerman INTENTLY followed Trayvong FACT: Trevyon had only skittles and a pop FACT: Treyvon punched on ZImmerman FACT: ZImmerman shot Treyvon ,,,race aside, my perspective is ZImmerman is a full of crap adult who pursued a young unarmed man in the rain at night(an action that reasonable people might consider threatening and imminentely dangerous to them) and CHOSE to kill him rather than try to fight back like a REASONABLE person would do,,especially one with MMA training and a 50 pound advantage,,,, and he should have some accountability for this young mans death,,, |
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No mention of ghettos testimony being fact?
That's right. Hearsay isn't fact, is it? 
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looks like people gonna believe what they want to believe based upon the 'FACTS' from my perspective FACT: Zimmerman was 10 years oider than T and armed with a gun that could be seen when he moved FACT: ZImmerman had a documented history of putting his hands on people FACT: ZImmerman was upset at the idea that this person may get away before cops arrived (To do nothing since he had broken no law) FACT: Although ZImmerman had received beatings from GROWN MAN willingly being trained in MMA gym,,,,he claims to have felt in IMMINENT danger from a 5 foot 11, 158 pound boy FACT: no evidence ZImmerman even TRIED to use his HANDS , FIGHT to protect himelf like most reasonable folks do in a fight FACT: Zimmerman and phone witness verify ZImmerman INTENTLY followed Trayvong FACT: Trevyon had only skittles and a pop FACT: Treyvon punched on ZImmerman FACT: ZImmerman shot Treyvon ,,,race aside, my perspective is ZImmerman is a full of crap adult who pursued a young unarmed man in the rain at night(an action that reasonable people might consider threatening and imminentely dangerous to them) and CHOSE to kill him rather than try to fight back like a REASONABLE person would do,,especially one with MMA training and a 50 pound advantage,,,, and he should have some accountability for this young mans death,,, Is the criminal charge against Zimmerman the correct charge, though? |
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. a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility. Second degree murder is different from First Degree Murder which is a premeditated, intentional killing, or results from a vicious crime such as arson, rape, or armed robbery.
non premeditated : I believe the original intent was to keep an eye on a situation resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility : I believe the behavior of following someone while armed with a gun makes death a distinct possibility,, I think even putting ones hands on someone in a threatening manner can be 'assult' , cops cuff people about that very thing all the time,, Including Zimmerman himself at one time ,,,whether ASSAULT was present is what the jury will have to determine,,, |
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Prosecution witness already stated dead thug was straddling Big Z assaulting him.
Self defense. |
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If Z walks, will there be riots? No justice no peace?
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Prosecution witness already stated dead thug was straddling Big Z assaulting him. Self defense. What if Martin was acting in self-defense against an armed stalker. Yeah, I know. It's a "what-if", but that's the problem. Martin isn't alive to tell his side of the story. By the way, does anyone here believe that Zimmerman would have followed Martin if Zimmerman hadn't been carrying a loaded gun? |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Many people are just afraid of blacks in general, because blacks have been "stero typed" by many as bad men, young thugs, gang bangers etc. Some people would just shoot first, when they see a black man or teen in a suspicious situation, even if there would be no trouble. T was just "stero typed". Imo it's possible that those stereotypes exsited that night and they definitely have been around for a long time as have all kinds of other stereotypes. I am just not sure they were a factor on that night in that shooting There has been plenty of stereotyping on this thread, such as calling Rachel Jeantel a ghetto person, such as calling George Zimmerman privileged. Stereotyping and Opinions are all over this thread and many other topics on here. Public has a right to their own thoughts and opinions. Yet many are not really Facts. |
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If Z walks, will there be riots? No justice no peace? There have been threats of 'the other culture going out and killing dem sum white folks. |
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If Z walks, will there be riots? No justice no peace? There have been threats of 'the other culture going out and killing dem sum white folks. Thats how OJ got off. Threats of rioting. |
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looks like people gonna believe what they want to believe based upon the 'FACTS' no, people believe what they want to believe without the facts from my perspective glad you said this, but not all your facts, are FACT: Zimmerman was 10 years oider than T and armed with a gun that could be seen when he moved FACT: ZImmerman had a documented history of putting his hands on people FACT: ZImmerman was upset at the idea that this person may get away before cops arrived (To do nothing since he had broken no law) we don't know if the officers that would have arrived on the scene would have found one or the other to have been breaking a law FACT: Although ZImmerman had received beatings from GROWN MAN willingly being trained in MMA gym,,,,he claims to have felt in IMMINENT danger from a 5 foot 11, 158 pound boy it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. many many smaller fighters beat the tar out of larger opponents. if you are getting beat, no matter the size of your attacker, you may panic, or go into a survival mode, or turn tail and run FACT: no evidence ZImmerman even TRIED to use his HANDS , FIGHT to protect himelf like most reasonable folks do in a fight most reasonable folks avoid fights. if you have had been in a fight with a faster opponent, you would know it is very difficult to counter punch once the opponent has launched a successful volley of blows FACT: Zimmerman and phone witness verify ZImmerman INTENTLY followed Trayvong FACT: Trevyon had only skittles and a pop FACT: Treyvon punched on ZImmerman FACT: ZImmerman shot Treyvon ,,,race aside, my perspective is ZImmerman is a full of crap adult who pursued a young unarmed man in the rain at night(an action that reasonable people might consider threatening and imminentely dangerous to them) if you are armed and decide to follow a person, you are not using reason. you are thinking you have an advantage and will be able to handle the situation. to avoid any danger you stack the odds more in your favor by calling for back up and CHOSE to kill him rather than try to fight back like a REASONABLE person would do,,especially one with MMA training and a 50 pound advantage,,,, an armed person knows that at any moment he could be disarmed and the weapon used against him, so fighting is not a safe option. 50 lbs could be a disadvantage if the smaller opponent is faster and has more stamina and he should have some accountability for this young mans death,,, everyone should be accountable for their actions, but life doesn't always work out that way if your neighborhood was being preyed upon by thieves every night, you may get tired of it and go on a patrol yourself. that is not being full of crap. there are only two people who know the facts of what happened that night. if we could hear both people, we would have two different accounts of the same incident. unfortunately we will only ever have one side. both parties could have defused the situation in different ways. both should have stood their ground and waited for an officer to arrive and settle the situation. neither had to be aggressive, but they both chose to be. zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. the fact is, he has to live with what happened no matter how the criminal case ends |
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If Z walks, will there be riots? No justice no peace? There have been threats of 'the other culture going out and killing dem sum white folks. Thats how OJ got off. Threats of rioting. nah, he 'got off' because people in LA didn't trust LA cops,, and not necessarily without good reason |
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Prosecution witness already stated dead thug was straddling Big Z assaulting him. Self defense. witnesses also saw Zimmerman on top too,,, moments in a larger sequence of events, doesn't prove assault,,, |
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the fact is, he has to live with what happened no matter how the criminal case ends True |
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