Topic: Black Political Activists: Tea Party 'Not Racist'
msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 03:48 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/12/13 03:49 PM




the issue was divided north and south at a time when democrats had mor of a southern representation,, that time is long gone,,,


That time is long gone?

That is what I and others keep saying about the current state of race relations in the USA. The Civil Rights Movement succeeded, which is why any remaining institutional racism is now on life-support.

Anyway, you didn't address what I said about the Democratic Party's promotion of socialism.


on life support unless it makes a recovery


I Cant address 'socialism' as I consider it too broad an issue with too often a spin about being 'right or wrong',, or 'good or bad'


Institutional racism isn't making recovery except in the minds of people who are stuck in the 70s.


and only those with little to lose and much to gain if it does can dismiss the reality that both

complacency/inaction and reversal of past actions can very probably lead to a full recovery

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 08/12/13 03:53 PM





the issue was divided north and south at a time when democrats had mor of a southern representation,, that time is long gone,,,


That time is long gone?

That is what I and others keep saying about the current state of race relations in the USA. The Civil Rights Movement succeeded, which is why any remaining institutional racism is now on life-support.

Anyway, you didn't address what I said about the Democratic Party's promotion of socialism.


on life support unless it makes a recovery


I Cant address 'socialism' as I consider it too broad an issue with too often a spin about being 'right or wrong',, or 'good or bad'


Institutional racism isn't making recovery except in the minds of people who are stuck in the 70s.


and only those with little to lose and much to gain if it does can dismiss the reality that both

complacency/inaction and reversal of past actions can very probably lead to a full recovery


Oh what spin that is. Evidence that institutional racism is making a recovery? No.

Anyway, the Tea Party Movement is working against the goal of turning the USA into the United Socialist States of America. So, Americans who want to live in a socialist nation are trying to smear the Tea Party Movement with false claims of racism.

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/12/13 03:54 PM
ok

I respect that as your perspective,,,,

InvictusV's photo
Tue 08/13/13 08:44 AM



This is through 2004.. We know that in 2008 and 2012 this was obviously well above 90%..


There is this concerted effort on the part of liberals to paint any opposition to their elected officials as being based in racism simply because of the support blacks show for their candidates.

All of the black members in the House of Representatives are Democrats. Therefore, if you oppose Democrats in any way you are racist.

Then that extends to if you oppose ANY democrat, regardless of color, you are racist simply because they are in the same party as all the black members of congress and they garner the vast majority of the black vote..











Conrad_73's photo
Tue 08/13/13 09:03 AM
Dimsdale anyone?pitchfork

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/13/13 09:20 AM




This is through 2004.. We know that in 2008 and 2012 this was obviously well above 90%..


There is this concerted effort on the part of liberals to paint any opposition to their elected officials as being based in racism simply because of the support blacks show for their candidates.

All of the black members in the House of Representatives are Democrats. Therefore, if you oppose Democrats in any way you are racist.

Then that extends to if you oppose ANY democrat, regardless of color, you are racist simply because they are in the same party as all the black members of congress and they garner the vast majority of the black vote..














lol, I have NEVER Heard this line of reasoning,,,it makes no sense and assumes that most people know the above information, which I doubt they do

when I hear racism being charged, it has more to do with INDIVIDUAL statements and actions,,,

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Tue 08/13/13 09:26 AM





This is through 2004.. We know that in 2008 and 2012 this was obviously well above 90%..


There is this concerted effort on the part of liberals to paint any opposition to their elected officials as being based in racism simply because of the support blacks show for their candidates.

All of the black members in the House of Representatives are Democrats. Therefore, if you oppose Democrats in any way you are racist.

Then that extends to if you oppose ANY democrat, regardless of color, you are racist simply because they are in the same party as all the black members of congress and they garner the vast majority of the black vote..






lol, I have NEVER Heard this line of reasoning,,,it makes no sense and assumes that most people know the above information, which I doubt they do

when I hear racism being charged, it has more to do with INDIVIDUAL statements and actions,,,


harmony, I pray that some day you will see the light and it shall shine upon you. :angel:

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 08/13/13 09:32 AM




ok granted,,, so let me clarify again


republican party is more likely to attract people who view minorities as second class citizens,, than democaratic party is,,,

,,,specific enough?


You keep making that claim, but you have not demonstrated that the Republican Party supports racist ideology.



I didn't say they had to

I never claimed the 'party' was racist

I claimed it ATTRACTS those who feel minorities are second class citizens
so,how come it was the Democrats who sabotaged the Civil-Rights Legislation until they saw they had to climb on the Bandwagon for loss of Minority-Votes?

http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html

Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:

A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the civil rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical neglect is given to the important role Republicans played in supporting the civil rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933 through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes! These facts are often intentionally overlooked by the left wing Democrats for obvious reasons. In some cases, the Democrats have told flat out lies about their shameful record during the civil rights movement.

Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:
- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill Clinton
- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to the Civil Rights Act.
- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore

The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes Senators:

- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama
- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas
- Holland and Smathers of Florida
- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia
- Ellender and Long of Louisiana
- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi
- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina
- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina
- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee
- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia
- R. Byrd of West Virginia

Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House Democrats VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans SUPPORTED it. Republican support in the Senate was even higher. Similar trends occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of House Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans. The same Democrat standard bearers took their normal racists stances, this time with Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort.

It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (Dirksen was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the head of the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon breaking the Democrat filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Republican Dirksen took to the Senate floor and exclaimed "The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!" (Full text of speech). Sadly, Democrats and revisionist historians have all but forgotten (and intentionally so) that it was Republican Dirksen, not the divided Democrats, who made the Civil Rights Act a reality. Dirksen also broke the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Eisenhower.

Outside of Congress, the three most notorious opponents of school integration were all Democrats:
- Orval Faubus, Democrat Governor of Arkansas and one of Bill Clinton's political heroes
- George Wallace, Democrat Governor of Alabama
- Lester Maddox, Democrat Governor of Georgia

The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved Governor Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block the integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The standoff was settled and the school was integrated only after the intervention of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Even the Democrat Party organization resisted integration and refused to allow minority participation for decades. Exclusion of minorities was the general rule of the Democrat Party of many states for decades, especially in Texas. This racist policy reached its peak under the New Deal in the southern and western states, often known as the New Deal Coalition region of FDR. The Supreme Court in Nixon v. Herndon declared the practice of "white primaries" unconstitutional in 1927 after states had passed laws barring Blacks from participating in Democrat primaries. But the Democrat Parties did not yield to the Court’s order. After Nixon v. Herndon, Democrats simply made rules within the party's individual executive committees to bar minorities from participating, which were struck down in Nixon v. Condon in 1932. The Democrats, in typical racist fashion, responded by using state parties to pass rules barring blacks from participation. This decision was upheld in Grovey v. Townsend, which was not overturned until 1944 by Smith v. Allwright. The Texas Democrats responded with their usual ploys and turned to what was known as the "Jaybird system" which used private Democrat clubs to hold white-only votes on a slate of candidates, which were then transferred to the Democrat party itself and put on their primary ballot as the only choices. Terry v. Adams overturned the Jaybird system, prompting the Democrats to institute blocks of unit rule voting procedures as well as the infamous literacy tests and other Jim Crow regulations to specifically block minorities from participating in their primaries. In the end, it took 4 direct Supreme Court orders to end the Democrat's "white primary" system, and after that it took countless additional orders, several acts of Congress, and a constitutional amendment to tear down the Jim Crow codes that preserved the Democrat's white primary for decades beyond the final Supreme Court order ruling it officially unconstitutional.

Hispanics in South Texas were treated especially poorly by the Democrat Party, which relied heavily on a system of political bosses to coerce and intimidate Hispanics into voting for Democrat primary candidates of choice. Though coercion is illegal, this system, known as the Patron system, is still in use to this day by local Democrat parties in some heavy Hispanic communities of the southwest.


Conrad_73's photo
Tue 08/13/13 09:32 AM

http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html

The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly accuse Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical record up until this very day points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party. In all possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of ultra leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or affiliates of racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's heroes and leaders:

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese Internment
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St. Louis area racist group
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman known for making bigoted slurs on national television
- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known for making anti-Semitic slurs
- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial slurs against several minority groups
- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic voters
- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate for NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making anti-white racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson, Gephardt, and Michael Dukakis

The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this century is one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely out of the liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at the center of the Democrat party's current leadership and role models. And in a striking display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who dishonestly shout accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are practicing bigots of the most disgusting and disreputable kind themselves.

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/13/13 09:35 AM






This is through 2004.. We know that in 2008 and 2012 this was obviously well above 90%..


There is this concerted effort on the part of liberals to paint any opposition to their elected officials as being based in racism simply because of the support blacks show for their candidates.

All of the black members in the House of Representatives are Democrats. Therefore, if you oppose Democrats in any way you are racist.

Then that extends to if you oppose ANY democrat, regardless of color, you are racist simply because they are in the same party as all the black members of congress and they garner the vast majority of the black vote..






lol, I have NEVER Heard this line of reasoning,,,it makes no sense and assumes that most people know the above information, which I doubt they do

when I hear racism being charged, it has more to do with INDIVIDUAL statements and actions,,,


harmony, I pray that some day you will see the light and it shall shine upon you. :angel:



lol,, right?

I hope people stop associating with such idiots with the above alleged logic,,,,,haaaaa


seems my experiences are always the exception when IM speaking race relations with 'other' folks,,,lol

InvictusV's photo
Tue 08/13/13 11:20 AM
Calling the tea party racist is doing it in a collective sense. So your individual case example is what is absurd..

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/13/13 11:24 AM

Calling the tea party racist is doing it in a collective sense. So your individual case example is what is absurd..



when did I call the tea party racist?

flowers are beautiful, but they still attract bees

Im stating that the ideology of the tea party is likely to attract racists,, its not a condemnation of the party any more than its a condemnation of flowers that bees happen to be drawn to them,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 08/13/13 01:08 PM


Im stating that the ideology of the tea party is likely to attract racists,, its not a condemnation of the party any more than its a condemnation of flowers that bees happen to be drawn to them,,,


White kind of racists?

There are racists in all racial groups.

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/13/13 03:28 PM



Im stating that the ideology of the tea party is likely to attract racists,, its not a condemnation of the party any more than its a condemnation of flowers that bees happen to be drawn to them,,,


White kind of racists?

There are racists in all racial groups.



the kind that are happy seeing racial oppression continue,,,,

and the kind that absolutely believe it SHOULD continue because of their fortunate numbers as the majority,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 08/13/13 05:50 PM
Racism and oppression are not synonyms.

Racism is the act of judging people according to their race, and one can judge others according to their race without doing anything that oppresses them.

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/13/13 06:04 PM

Racism and oppression are not synonyms.

Racism is the act of judging people according to their race, and one can judge others according to their race without doing anything that oppresses them.



and one can judge others according to their race AND support their oppression,,,



Dodo_David's photo
Wed 08/14/13 06:53 AM


Racism and oppression are not synonyms.

Racism is the act of judging people according to their race, and one can judge others according to their race without doing anything that oppresses them.



and one can judge others according to their race AND support their oppression,,,





The issue here is the definition of racism, which is separate from oppression.

A person can be a racist and not do something that results in oppression.

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/14/13 09:00 AM



Racism and oppression are not synonyms.

Racism is the act of judging people according to their race, and one can judge others according to their race without doing anything that oppresses them.



and one can judge others according to their race AND support their oppression,,,





The issue here is the definition of racism, which is separate from oppression.

A person can be a racist and not do something that results in oppression.


the question was 'what kind of racists'

I gave a description of the 'kind'

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Wed 08/14/13 11:51 AM


Calling the tea party racist is doing it in a collective sense. So your individual case example is what is absurd..



when did I call the tea party racist?

flowers are beautiful, but they still attract bees

Im stating that the ideology of the tea party is likely to attract racists,, its not a condemnation of the party any more than its a condemnation of flowers that bees happen to be drawn to them,,,


I guess it can be stated that the ideology of the democratic party attracts more ignorant people who do not understand the Constitution or the Bill of rights. Same type statement you make about the Tea Party.

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/14/13 11:52 AM



Calling the tea party racist is doing it in a collective sense. So your individual case example is what is absurd..



when did I call the tea party racist?

flowers are beautiful, but they still attract bees

Im stating that the ideology of the tea party is likely to attract racists,, its not a condemnation of the party any more than its a condemnation of flowers that bees happen to be drawn to them,,,


I guess it can be stated that the ideology of the democratic party attracts more ignorant people who do not understand the Constitution or the Bill of rights. Same type statement you make about the Tea Party.