Topic: Black Political Activists: Tea Party 'Not Racist'
Dodo_David's photo
Fri 08/16/13 04:40 PM


Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican


So, are you saying that all southern Republicans are racists?

willing2's photo
Fri 08/16/13 05:16 PM


Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican

What year was that?

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Fri 08/16/13 05:43 PM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Fri 08/16/13 05:53 PM


Institutional racism has been questioned and denied time and time again on this site...Those posters doing it take the straightforward approach as well as the more subtle, highly ambiguous approach when denying its existence or, as you just did, try to diminish it by saying it is on the decline...It is not on the decline, if anything, it is even more insidious as politicians, businesses, educators, and lenders become more and more skilled at hiding it from the public....Which, I might add, is why so many white Americans deny it as a major contributing factor to crime and poverty rates in black communities throughout America...


If institutional racism is so hidden like you say, then how is that you know about it? Seriously, you haven't proven your claim. Am I supposed to assume that people are guilty of racism until proven innocent?



There are many people who know about it David...I said "is why so many white Americans don't know"....Not all...I know because I choose to know....

It's not a claim, it's a fact...When a group, any group, experiences bias in any area of public government, private corporations, or public and private school systems, it can become extremely difficult for that group to succeed…African Americans experience bias in all three areas…

In government money and power might influence who gets elected, but the power to change unfair laws and end corrupt corporate practices still lies with individual ABILITY to vote…Until the 60's, this power was concentrated in the hands of white men and later (1920's) white women…Since the Civil Rights Act, African Americans have continually lost voting power due to things like redistricting, unfair sentencing laws, racial profiling to include stop and frisk practices, and even the voter ID requirements some states have recently added…

In business the biggest example of institutional racism is a practice called redlining…Redlining is just what it says…It's a red line that is drawn around certain sections on a city map where major lenders refuse business loans, where insurance providers won't insure, where supermarkets, restaurants, and retailers won't open stores…Where you ask?… Poor or poverty level communities with high crime rates, that's where…Prison privatization is another area where institutional racism exists because their main objective is not keeping criminals off the street or rehabilitating them, it's making money…This equals overcrowding, repeat offenders, and longer sentences all of which disproportionately affect African Americans…Redlining still exists in mortgage lending too…It's a lending policy that denies loans in certain urban areas with large minority populations because banks claim the risk is too high in spite of the credit worthiness of the applicant…There's more, but you get the picture…

In public schools you get what you pay for…Those children living and attending school in lower class neighborhoods are offered inferior education when compared to that being offered to children living in middle, working, and upper class neighborhoods…It's a given and it's bracketed according to wealth and earning power...

The reason so many white Americans deny institutional racism exists is because they never see it, they're insulated…Until both sides own up, institutional racism will continue to pit white against black and black against white…So while the masses that make up the lower, middle, and working class population beat on each other, the upper class stays in power...Truth...




msharmony's photo
Sat 08/17/13 02:29 AM



Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican


So, are you saying that all southern Republicans are racists?



no

Im pointing out that most of the opposition to civil rights came from southerners, who used to be, the bulk of the democratic base in government


willing2's photo
Sat 08/17/13 05:07 AM



Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican

What year was that?

Again, mh.

Ms Leigh
I have to question the voter ID laws.
Go to the bank to cash a check, they ask for id.
I see a need for showing id's to vote.
How can having to show an id be discrimination?

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Sat 08/17/13 05:34 AM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Sat 08/17/13 05:42 AM




Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican

What year was that?

Again, mh.

Ms Leigh
I have to question the voter ID laws.
Go to the bank to cash a check, they ask for id.
I see a need for showing id's to vote.
How can having to show an id be discrimination?


Morning WIllflowerforyou I am in favor of the voter ID laws too...WE NEED EM!!!bigsmile But they do (will) affect the black vote because so many African Americans don't have proper identification or the means to acquire it and because so many have felony convictions....I acknowledge institutional racism because it is a fact....BUT, that does not mean I think whites are solely responsible for its existence...:wink:

alookat101's photo
Sat 08/17/13 05:40 AM




Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican


So, are you saying that all southern Republicans are racists?



no

Im pointing out that most of the opposition to civil rights came from southerners, who used to be, the bulk of the democratic base in government


Msharmony answer to these question are very clear if you set aside what you want to read into her answers to these question that are offered by her. Take some time to clear your thoughts of what a racist is or is not and try be a little more open to someone else views and experience of this matter and realty of racism that some of us have live through and experience first hand through our life journey here on this planet earth that we all share. If I'm correct in my answer to the question is that some southerners switch political party's because they did not want to be a part of said party because of minority participation in the Democratic Party Process. To some of us ( We the People) this can be viewed as being one of many racist acts. Just Saying.

no photo
Sat 08/17/13 05:45 AM





Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican


So, are you saying that all southern Republicans are racists?



no

Im pointing out that most of the opposition to civil rights came from southerners, who used to be, the bulk of the democratic base in government


Msharmony answer to these question are very clear if you set aside what you want to read into her answers to these question that are offered by her. Take some time to clear your thoughts of what a racist is or is not and try be a little more open to someone else views and experience of this matter and realty of racism that some of us have live through and experience first hand through our life journey here on this planet earth that we all share. If I'm correct in my answer to the question is that some southerners switch political party's because they did not want to be a part of said party because of minority participation in the Democratic Party Process. To some of us ( We the People) this can be viewed as being one of many racist acts. Just Saying.


:thumbsup:

willing2's photo
Sat 08/17/13 06:03 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought felons lose the rights to vote.

As far as obtaining id, a birth certificate and rent receipt will get an id.

willing2's photo
Sat 08/17/13 06:12 AM
Aloolat101.
We are all right to a degree.
MH posts have a history of supporting bigotry, separatism and anti-semitists.
Not a condemnation, just a fact.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/17/13 06:33 AM




Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican

What year was that?

Again, mh.

Ms Leigh
I have to question the voter ID laws.
Go to the bank to cash a check, they ask for id.
I see a need for showing id's to vote.
How can having to show an id be discrimination?



cashing a check is transaction, voting is a right,,,big difference

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/17/13 06:35 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 08/17/13 06:35 AM

Aloolat101.
We are all right to a degree.
MH posts have a history of supporting bigotry, separatism and anti-semitists.
Not a condemnation, just a fact.



lol,, supporting bigotry?

haa,, pot calling kettle black,, or should I speak to the audience and say,,,pot calling kettle 'feral',, 'pond scum',,,etc,,,

no photo
Sat 08/17/13 06:35 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought felons lose the rights to vote.

As far as obtaining id, a birth certificate and rent receipt will get an id.


That's what I mean...Felons will no longer be able to vote illegally...Do you think everyone who votes, votes legally?noway .... And it goes deeper than that Will....There are those who can't produce a birth certificate OR A RENT RECEIPT...You're exampling what I'm saying about why so many are in denial...They're isolated from real poverty and the rippling effect it produces in almost every aspect of daily living...In my mind, having the balls to stand up and say institutional racism is alive and well doesn't negate the fact that I believe out-of-wedlock births are a direct result of irresponsible adult behavior...It doesn't negate the fact that I think too many blacks have developed a criminal attitude as a way to deal with hardships and inequalities...And it certainly doesn't negate the fact that I think too many women WORK THE SYSTEM....Why does everything have to be either or?...I'm just taking the issues one at a time and trying to explain why I feel the way I do and why I believe we're ALL IN THIS TOGETHER and pointing fingers is not going to resolve the problems...drinker

willing2's photo
Sat 08/17/13 06:51 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 08/17/13 06:54 AM
To the best of my knowledge, A BC for anyone recorded as being born in the US can get a copy at a court house in the county they were born.
Same with the SSN. Can get one at any SS office.
I got a certified copy of my BC through the mail.
E-Verify should be in the voter registration office as well.

As far as the voter id cards, I believe they should be photo and thumb printed cards.

no photo
Sat 08/17/13 07:03 AM

To the best of my knowledge, A BC for anyone recorded as being born in the US can get a copy at a court house in the county they were born.
Same with the SSN. Can get one at any SS office.
I got a certified copy of my BC through the mail.
E-Verify should be in the voter registration office as well.

As far as the voter id cards, I believe they should be photo and thumb printed cards.



Me too!!bigsmile Make em impossible to forge:banana: ....Until some azzhole figures out a waygrumble

willing2's photo
Sat 08/17/13 08:16 AM





Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican

What year was that?

Again, mh.

Ms Leigh
I have to question the voter ID laws.
Go to the bank to cash a check, they ask for id.
I see a need for showing id's to vote.
How can having to show an id be discrimination?



cashing a check is transaction, voting is a right,,,big difference

Lots or talk about rights. No mention of responsibility.

Felons forfeit the right to vote.

Should be the responsibility of the folks at the voting stations to verify the person is who they say they is.

Along with photos any thumbprints on the voter id, when signing in to vote, they put their thumbprint next to their signature.
Anyone caught with fraudulent cards or attempting voter fraud needs 10 years hard labor without parole.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/17/13 11:17 AM






Again.
Exactly when did Democrats change their spots and publically claim they were no longer gonna be racist?


lol,, been explained about 50 thousand times,,,,

around when the SOUTHERNERS switched from democrat to republican

What year was that?

Again, mh.

Ms Leigh
I have to question the voter ID laws.
Go to the bank to cash a check, they ask for id.
I see a need for showing id's to vote.
How can having to show an id be discrimination?



cashing a check is transaction, voting is a right,,,big difference

Lots or talk about rights. No mention of responsibility.

Felons forfeit the right to vote.

Should be the responsibility of the folks at the voting stations to verify the person is who they say they is.

Along with photos any thumbprints on the voter id, when signing in to vote, they put their thumbprint next to their signature.
Anyone caught with fraudulent cards or attempting voter fraud needs 10 years hard labor without parole.


we are only required to register ONCE,,,

our appearance can change multiple times throughout our life and every four years,,,photos would be a waste of time and money

thumbprints would be successful in discouraging people to vote at all,,,the idea of big bad government having their thumbprint is no more attractive than the idea of handing over their dna to most people

the current system has worked fine,, until the wrong person won,,,,lol

now, it needs an overhaul,,,,,,,NOT,,,

willing2's photo
Sat 08/17/13 11:21 AM
You support voter fraud?

Why am I not surprised? laugh laugh

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/17/13 11:38 AM

You support voter fraud?

Why am I not surprised? laugh laugh



you believe these 'measures' will stop voter fraud?

why am I not surprised,,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 08/19/13 06:00 AM
so many African Americans don't have proper identification or the means to acquire it


You are going to have to justify that claim. What makes black Americans incapable of acquiring ID?

...and because so many have felony convictions.

Uh, people have felony convictions because they choose to commit felonies, including white felons. If it isn't a problem for white felons to lose the right to vote, then why is it a problem for black felons to lose the right to vote? Are black felons supposed to have a right that white felons don't have?