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Topic: Views on President John F Kennedy
michelake's photo
Wed 09/10/14 08:13 AM
I am really interested in everyone's opinion about JFK
How you experienced him.. about his politics..his views..etc.

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/10/14 08:22 AM
so you finally started that thread,,,,,

it should make an interesting topic,,,flowerforyou

michelake's photo
Wed 09/10/14 08:25 AM
Yes Mingle2 is full of outspoken people that have good opinions.
I am looking forward to it :smile: flowerforyou

mr_king_solomon's photo
Wed 09/10/14 08:42 AM
I heard that on more than one occasion, it was JFK who had to make a phone call in the middle of the night to tell a racist southern sheriff, governor, or police captain to release from his jail Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

From my point of view, JFK and Bobby Kennedy were far more progressive in their positions of race and gender equality than most in office at that time.

In a way, I think JFK and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated because of trying to pull America out of it's racism toward minorities.

Do I think they were perfect? No.

But Nixon was calling minorities the N Word while in office, and I'll take JFK over any other president in the last century.

Only Obama is better than JFK.

KING!

willing2's photo
Wed 09/10/14 08:56 AM
What was that famous quote delivered by Johnson after Kennedy was killed?

Anyone younger than me will just get the reports and history put out by blogs, news and gubament.

Y'all speculate much as you wish.

Ya' had to be there. I vaguely remember the news of him being shot. I was 10 years old.

I heard,I think, I read, I saw on the internet. All opinions based on someone else's opinions, ideas, etc. Only a very few here who actually lived it.

A recording of Johnson on the phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rIDmDWSms

He was a Dimwitcrap, no?smokin

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/10/14 09:06 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-john-f-kennedy/2013/11/13/bf1d1442-4b1a-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html

Five myths about John F. Kennedy

willing2's photo
Wed 09/10/14 09:27 AM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 09/10/14 09:37 AM
JFK was also a whoremongerer.

Robert, excuse me, all those Kennedys look alike,:wink: was always having to clean up his messes.

I highly doubt, Marylin's death was suicide.

So, now liberals go from adoring woman beaters to whoring husbands.

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msharmony's photo
Wed 09/10/14 09:29 AM

I heard that on more than one occasion, it was JFK who had to make a phone call in the middle of the night to tell a racist southern sheriff, governor, or police captain to release from his jail Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

From my point of view, JFK and Bobby Kennedy were far more progressive in their positions of race and gender equality than most in office at that time.

In a way, I think JFK and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated because of trying to pull America out of it's racism toward minorities.

Do I think they were perfect? No.

But Nixon was calling minorities the N Word while in office, and I'll take JFK over any other president in the last century.

Only Obama is better than JFK.

KING!


that's interesting, I don't know how old you are

but my mother, who I am pretty close to, and who actually lived in JIM CROW era,,,,

and worked across the country in the field of discrimination and racism,, with the EEOC

has expressed very similar views about JFK and Robert


:thumbsup:

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Wed 09/10/14 10:07 AM

I am really interested in everyone's opinion about JFK
How you experienced him.. about his politics..his views..etc.


Young, handsome, charismatic, Irish, Harvard grad, Navy vet, Roman Catholic...Famous quote, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."...
What I remember best...The Cuban Missile Crises...His assassination ...
What I realized in later years...Publically he seemed quite liberal, privately not so much...That's it....Wait!!!...And Marilyn Monroe's birthday dedication to him...:tongue:

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Wed 09/10/14 10:11 AM
He nearly got us all killed!surprised

michelake's photo
Wed 09/10/14 10:20 AM
Thank you all this far for your input.flowerforyou And what about the "bay of pigs" Does anyone know something interesting about that too perhaps ?
Was it a provocation of the Russians. Or was there more at stake ?

willing2's photo
Wed 09/10/14 10:25 AM
Judith Campbell Exner, whose claim of a steamy two-year affair with Kennedy - coinciding with a relationship with a Chicago underworld kingpin - is deemed credible by historians. She died in 1999 at the age of 65.

Or Mimi Beardsley, a 19-year-old White House intern when Kennedy wooed her into an affair that lasted 18 months. She was a virgin, she said, when they first made love on Jackie's bed; later the two would race rubber duckies in the presidential bath tub.

"I do not regret what I did. I was young and I was swept away, and I cannot change that fact," said the future Mimi Alford in her 2012 memoir, "Once Upon a Secret: My Affair with President John F. Kennedy and its Aftermath."

No-one knows how many prostitutes Kennedy hired, but there were enough for his bodyguards to worry that he might fall victim to espionage or blackmail, at a time when the United States and the Soviet Union stood on the brink of nuclear war.

"He had a tendency to surround himself with ladies sometimes who were a little worrisome," said one Secret Service agent, Anthony Sherman, in an ABC television documentary in 1997.

"These women were of questionable character," added another, William McIntyre.

"This was reckless to the extreme," Sabato told AFP.

"JFK risked his presidency and family over and over... Almost certainly, foreign intelligence agencies had some knowledge of this pattern of behaviour."

No doubt his mother did. Rose Kennedy is credited with infusing a strong sense of history and public service into all her children. Fascinated by politics, she actively took part in JFK's election campaigns, stumping the hustings, soliciting votes.

Like Jackie, she tolerated the promiscuous conduct of the family patriarch, business tycoon and ambassador Joseph Kennedy, whose three-year affair with screen idol Gloria Swanson in the 1920s presaged the Marilyn-JFK fling.

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Wed 09/10/14 11:16 AM

He nearly got us all killed!surprised


but Oswald got him.bigsmile

michelake's photo
Wed 09/10/14 11:38 AM
Edited by michelake on Wed 09/10/14 11:42 AM
Just like Marilyn Monroes death and Jimmy Hoffa. This is also a mystery to many.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/10/14 11:58 AM


He nearly got us all killed!surprised


but Oswald got him.bigsmile

James Files claims he did!

msharmony's photo
Wed 09/10/14 12:20 PM

Just like Marilyn Monroes death and Jimmy Hoffa. This is also a mystery to many.


oh man, it was such a historically mysterious period Michale

so many great leaders assassinated in such a short span

metger evers
JFK
Bobby Kennedy
Huey Newton
MLK
Malcolm X


,, it was not a good time to be a political voice for change,,,

TJN's photo
Wed 09/10/14 02:47 PM
Edited by TJN on Wed 09/10/14 02:51 PM
He was Killed After Shutting Down Rothschild’s Federal Reserve

http://humansarefree.com/2013/11/jfk-killed-after-shutting-down.html?m=0

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/10/14 03:00 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 09/10/14 03:05 PM

He was Killed After Shutting Down Rothschild’s Federal Reserve

http://humansarefree.com/2013/11/jfk-killed-after-shutting-down.html?m=0


Nope!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/j-bradley-jansen/jfk-not-killed-in-fed-con_b_4287519.html

President Kennedy was not assassinated for being anti-Fed. I don't know how much more clearly that can be said. His death on November 22nd, 1963 was a sad tragedy, but it had nothing to do with any stupid and baseless Executive Order silver certificate conspiracy.

Baseless conspiracy monger Jim Marrs peddled the Federal Reserve conspiracy in his book Crossfire (and still promoted by the even crazier Christian Common-Law Institute). The gist of which is that "the issuance of Executive Order 11110 was an effort by Kennedy to transfer power from the Federal Reserve to the United States Department of the Treasury by replacing Federal Reserve Notes with Silver Certificates," according to Wikipedia.
The Library of Congress' Congressional Research Service dispelled this nonsense in a 1996 report, "Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality" (CRS Report for Congress, No. 96-672 E) by G. Thomas Woodward. Explains Woodward about the EO 11110:

The notion that Federal Reserve Notes are especially harmful has given rise to one particular conspiracy theory relating to an executive order in 1963. According to author Jim Mars, Executive Order 11110 issued by President Kennedy on June 4, 1963 authorized the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes. Mars further asserts that after President Kennedy's assassination, the order was never carried out.

The claim is not borne out by the facts. First, E.O. 11110 had nothing to do with United States Notes, and did not affect any section of law referring to them. Second, E.O. 11110 did not anywhere mention any quantity of money; wherever the $4 billion-plus figure came from, it was not E.O. 11110. Third, The President had no authority to issue such an edict. Even utilizing the provisions of the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933, the most the President could issue without statutory authorization was $3 billion.

What E.O. 11110 did was to modify previous Executive Order 10289, delegating to the Secretary of the Treasury various powers of the President. To these delegated powers, E.O. 11110 added the power to alter the supply of Silver Certificates in circulation. Executive Order 11110, therefore, did not create any new authority for the Treasury to issue notes; it only affected who could give the order, the Secretary or the President.

The reason for the move was that the President had just signed legislation repealing the Silver Purchase Act. With this repeal, the Treasury Secretary could no longer control the issue of Silver Certificates on his own authority. However, the issuance of certificates could be controlled under the President's authority. Hence, for administrative convenience, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110.

Ironically, the purpose of the order and the legislation was to decrease the circulation of Silver Certificates, with Federal Reserve Notes taking their place. As economic activity grew and prices rose in the 1950s and early 1960s, the need for small-denomination currency grew at the same time that the price of silver increased. The Treasury required silver for the increasing number of Silver Certificates and coins needed for transactions. But the price of silver was rapidly approaching the point that the silver in the coins and in reserve for the certificates was worth more than the face value of the money.

To conserve on the silver needs of the Treasury, President Kennedy requested legislation needed to bring the issuance of Silver Certificates to an end and to authorize the Fed to issue small denomination notes (which it could not at that time). The Fed began issuing small denomination notes almost immediately after the legislation was passed. And in October 1964, the Treasury ceased issuing Silver Certificates altogether. If anything, E.O. 11110 enhanced Federal Reserve power and did not in any way reduce it [emphasis added].

Of course, the baseless conspiracy mongers attracted to this silliness argue that the Congressional Research Service "issues unjustified opinions" all the time (so some have laughable argued with me on Facebook, etc.--no, CRS has never issued an "opinion" in its history). Since the conspiracy nuts are congenitally opposed to believing any "establishment" sources, I'll offer two more they should consider to put this craziness to rest.

G. Edward Griffin, author of the Creature from Jekyll Island, wrote about this non-issue back in 2000:

If you look at a copy of EO 11110 you will find that it does not order the issuance of Silver Certificates. It orders an amendment to EO 10289 . . . Those functions did not include the power to issue Silver Certificates. The purpose of EO 11110 was to add that power to the list . . . EO 11110 did not order the printing of Silver Certificates. It ordered the amendment of a previous executive order so that the United States Code would authorize or "empower" the Secretary of the Treasury to issue Silver Certificates if the occasion should arise . . .

Let's put this issue into perspective. The proponents of the JFK Myth assert that Kennedy was assassinated because he was about to issue Silver Certificates, thereby denying the bankers their customary interest payments on the nation's currency. However, the reality was just the opposite. Previously, the President could have issued Silver Certificates on his own authority; but, with the signing of EO 11110, he delegated that authority to the Secretary of the Treasury. At that time, the Secretary of the Treasury was Douglas Dillon from a well-known and powerful banking family. That means Kennedy surrendered the power to issue Silver Certificates and gave it to a member of the banking fraternity who could do with it as he pleased "without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President." Dillon, of course, would have strong motive to preserve the dominance of Federal Reserve Notes. The theory that Kennedy was getting ready to issue Silver Certificates is without evidence or logic.Griffin takes the CCLI to task for making up additional baseless bs, "The Christian Common Law Institute has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superseded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid." To which he replies:

This is not supported by the facts. The power granted to the Secretary of Treasury to issue Silver Certificates was rescinded on September 9, 1987, by Executive Order 12608, signed by President Reagan. The official purpose of the Order was stated as "Elimination of unnecessary Executive orders and technical amendments to others." It did not affect EO 11110 directly but did affect the parent EO 10289 - along with 62 other executive orders. That is how paragraph (j) was amended to remove the power in question. This Order can be found in its entirety in the Federal Register 52 FR 34617.

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Wed 09/10/14 03:08 PM
Edited by funkyfranky on Wed 09/10/14 03:10 PM
'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

I don't have an opinion as I've never read up on him much, but I do know he said some great things, as did his brother Bobby.

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Wed 09/10/14 03:19 PM
@ msharmony

"oh man, it was such a historically mysterious period Michale

so many great leaders assassinated in such a short span

metger evers
JFK
Bobby Kennedy
Huey Newton
MLK
Malcolm X "

I never realised it was that many.

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