see even God... says women should obey man.... now the big guy can't be wrong..can he...hmm.. God must be a man... because he is sooo..right..

there must be, I'm looking at one right now...^^^

the reason I did this topic was I wanted to find out what people really thought about the old vows, and then I got thinking marriages rarely work now something has changed and its obviously women. women have got stronger and can choose for themselves what they want to do with there lives what jobs if they have children etc. is that wholly a good thing though, yes its good that women gave choices I mean im a woman and im glad that Im not being persecuted for having children out of wedlock, but have some things that have changed, changed for the worse. marriage used to mean that the both of you would be together forever you married because you wanted to spend the rest of your lives waking up with each other, arguing and then making up the good old fashioned way ;) having children together and watching them grow together while the both of you grew old but happy together. marriage meant each having roles that you stuck to so your home ran smoothly and the wife would (if she was)be happy that she could depend on her husband to watch over her and the kids, love them and provide. when he gets up early for work she would get up with him to make sure he had a good breakfast and she did that because of love because he sacrificed sleep ins and long weekends to make sure the bills were paid and the wife and kids had everything they wanted. a lot of women say I wouldn't do that now. but because we have the choice to do that or not does that not mean a married couple even ones that have taken the old vows are actually equal in the marriage, and because of the freedoms offered to both now instead of just the man doesn't that mean they both can choose to completely give themselves over to the other( and if the man tries to live a moral and good life and is not selfish)knowing she will be protected and loved along with any children they have. just a thought what do you think.

Yes.. another sandwich please..lol..

Hahahaha... ... of course i will obey but only when it is in my best interest to do so...

It's interesting that you're now so interested in taking a traditional approach to marriage and its traditional roles, after taking such the non-traditional - albeit increasingly common - route of having children before getting married.


Good luck with that...I've read posts from many single mothers who complain that they have a difficult time finding men interested in forming a relationship with them simply because they have kids they're still raising, let alone being able to find *A Good Man* who will.

Rumor has it some men have even taken to writing columns and having radio shows advising other men to stay away from single mothers.

its amazing how many single mothers there are out there who are single mothers because the men in there lives could not cope with having children, this is the reason women are so much more stronger and able to keep families running smoothly. these single moms should be cherished and admired because some of the most amazing people on earth have come from them. children are amazing it does not matter how they entered the world they are still amazing and if the mothers of these children are loving and caring and can care for there children and bring them up good she herself is amazing. this is what can make or break a woman, raising children. this is why im so proud to have mine they are a credit to me and every single mother out there should feel the same. me and my brothers and sisters were abused as children and in our teens, I have scars on my legs from when she beat me with wire, she beat me because I wet the bed, she beat me for talking to anyone outside the house, I was not allowed to play out with friends or come downstairs when she was there unless it was to eat or talk to my dad. she would come into my room at night and start beating me for no reason, and she would call me a s**t and a w**re and she said I would burn in hell. I then went to school and got severely bullied Monday to Friday because I was shy and was scared to talk to people. when I turned 18 I was thrown out literally on the street with 2 black bags. I met a lovely man who I became friends with we had a relationship and I thought he treated me quite well even though I had bruises all over me from the beatings he gave me. we had children and everything was lovely until the kids went to bed and he would take out the days frustrations on me. i found a friend went to church got some strength not from the god stuff but from myself seeing couples that loved each other and not all Disney but real respect and I thought wow. with the new strength and self worth I found punched him in the balls got rid of him went and had a makeover started a new happy life with my kids as a single mom and now im me. by the way my dad beat my mum for years before she had me. so if I can believe marriage can still work and actually be happy even if you have kids already even if you a single mom even if your fat or thin then anyone can. the reason im not married is because this is me and my kids time to shine I make clothes my girl is going to excel at the piano and horse riding and my son can read a book and then recite the book back to you all this with a single mom. not all single moms are the same and some do better on there own than with the dad there.