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Topic: Jordanian pilot burned alive
messi_is_a_tim_1888 Joined Fri 11/28/14 Posts: 3309	Mon 02/09/15 08:20 AM
It's funny how this guy is being praised on this thread but he is a bad guy on mine.. And by the way we should remember about the Crusades and the Inquisition..don't act like Christians have a good record but muslims don't. All religions have caused big problems because in the hands of men anything can become a weapon. It's almost like you are making excuses for these scum bags, 2 wrongs don't make a right. You're hatred of men is one thing but your view on these vermin is another. It's funny how on your profile you don't state your religion, I'm a catholic and proud, what's your excuse, are you a little ashamed of it. I am not excusing ISIS and don't worry they will have what's coming to them. I don't hate men, just the way most of them act. I don't belong to any particular religion. I believe everything that exists can exist minus God, or there could be a God, I don't assume to know either way and that keeps me humble. Or maybe it's because you think of God as a man too, that you don't think, or want him to exist also? If you're in Turkey and were with that guy as you said, then if you ever got married you would've had to have became a muslim? No ifs or buts about it, as that's the way the muslim religion demands for marriage!

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Mon 02/09/15 08:32 AM
Not quite? "Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom. Crusading attracted men and women of all classes. The massacres involved were mainly attributed as being caused by disorder, an epidemic of ergotism and economic distress.[2] The Byzantine Empire was unable to recover territory lost during the initial Muslim conquests under the expansionist Rashidun and Umayyad caliphs in the Arab–Byzantine Wars and the Byzantine–Seljuq Wars; these conquests culminated in the loss of fertile farmlands[3] and vast grazing areas of Anatolia[4] in 1071, after a sound victory by the occupying armies of Seljuk Turks at the Battle of Manzikert. Urban II sought to reunite the Christian church under his leadership by providing Emperor Alexios I with military support." and I guess one could throw in a few false gods if one wished. Some historians are wrong. "Purely defensive" does not involve torturing innocent people to death and then eating them. Which historians? How do you know they were wrong? I have never read where worshiping false gods was part of the reason. But, Maybe so.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 02/09/15 08:41 AM
It's important to remember, this Jordanian pilot was a Muslim. According to the Quran, no Muslim can deliberately kill another Muslim. So, I'm assuming these 'Hadithites' must of thought it was fare-seeming to kill him, without reference to the Quran! Which beckons the question, 'How Islamic are these would-be ISIS members anyways?'

Estelle79 Joined Thu 09/11/14 Posts: 1452	Mon 02/09/15 08:56 AM
It's funny how this guy is being praised on this thread but he is a bad guy on mine.. And by the way we should remember about the Crusades and the Inquisition..don't act like Christians have a good record but muslims don't. All religions have caused big problems because in the hands of men anything can become a weapon. It's almost like you are making excuses for these scum bags, 2 wrongs don't make a right. You're hatred of men is one thing but your view on these vermin is another. It's funny how on your profile you don't state your religion, I'm a catholic and proud, what's your excuse, are you a little ashamed of it. I am not excusing ISIS and don't worry they will have what's coming to them. I don't hate men, just the way most of them act. I don't belong to any particular religion. I believe everything that exists can exist minus God, or there could be a God, I don't assume to know either way and that keeps me humble. Or maybe it's because you think of God as a man too, that you don't think, or want him to exist also? If you're in Turkey and were with that guy as you said, then if you ever got married you would've had to have became a muslim? No ifs or buts about it, as that's the way the muslim religion demands for marriage! God was made in man's image or the other way around whichever you believe, so I think of God as a man. I don't claim to know which is true, but at least I know what my options are. There are Muslims who marry non-Muslims and neither changes their religion...some Muslims won't marry a Christian just like some Christians won't marry a Muslim. The guy I was with is not Turkish, he is Central American, I'm American and we both come from Christian backgrounds.

Estelle79 Joined Thu 09/11/14 Posts: 1452	Mon 02/09/15 08:59 AM
It's important to let go of stupid religious wars already. I mean who cares as long as humanity is winning that's all that matters.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 02/09/15 09:11 AM
Estelle79... With reference to the comment, thread before last, Muslims are permitted to marry Christians in accordance with Surah 5: 5 (From The Quran) But only if those Christians are Monotheists. (Must Worship Only The One Almighty God) (Surah 60: 12)

mysticalview21 Joined Sat 06/28/14 Posts: 5462	Tue 02/10/15 11:44 AM
op whats Important now Is... not letting them capture anyone else to use them and kill them ... an prayers for the aid worker to still be alive ... an they killed that pilot way before they said they would do a exchange of for other prisoners ...

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 02/10/15 12:48 PM
op whats Important now Is... not letting them capture anyone else to use them and kill them ... an prayers for the aid worker to still be alive ... an they killed that pilot way before they said they would do a exchange of for other prisoners ... The CIA and family confirmed it today, the Aid Worker has been killed. It doesn't appear to have happened from the Air Strike. Man to I wish we had a leader with backbone like the leader of Jordan right now because he would be pulling prisoners out of Gitmo one by one and executing them and then would make ISIS feel the full force of the United States Military.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 02/10/15 12:51 PM
It's funny how this guy is being praised on this thread but he is a bad guy on mine.. And by the way we should remember about the Crusades and the Inquisition..don't act like Christians have a good record but muslims don't. All religions have caused big problems because in the hands of men anything can become a weapon. The crusades happened over 1000 and the Inquisition was hundreds of years ago. Fuhrer Obama was practically the joke of the world for making that statement even by his looney leftist allies. Times have changed, most all religions have adapted with modern times except Islam. I am no fan of religion myself but using the Crusades and the Inquisition is a lost and tired excuse though.

Estelle79 Joined Thu 09/11/14 Posts: 1452	Wed 02/11/15 03:35 AM
Who cares. The point is all these religions have done more harm than good. The terrorists are going around using religion as an excuse to kill, finally someone is stopping them. That's all that matters. Men need to stop making weapons out of everything and they need to learn to get along.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 02/11/15 05:02 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 02/11/15 05:04 AM
Who cares. The point is all these religions have done more harm than good. The terrorists are going around using religion as an excuse to kill, finally someone is stopping them. That's all that matters. Men need to stop making weapons out of everything and they need to learn to get along.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 02/11/15 05:10 AM
It's important to remember, this Jordanian pilot was a Muslim. According to the Quran, no Muslim can deliberately kill another Muslim. So, I'm assuming these 'Hadithites' must of thought it was fare-seeming to kill him, without reference to the Quran! Which beckons the question, 'How Islamic are these would-be ISIS members anyways?' well,you own those Hadiths like you own the rest of the Koran! They are Part and Parcel of it!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 02/11/15 05:12 AM
Estelle79... With reference to the comment, thread before last, Muslims are permitted to marry Christians in accordance with Surah 5: 5 (From The Quran) But only if those Christians are Monotheists. (Must Worship Only The One Almighty God) (Surah 60: 12) yep,as long as those Christians convert posthaste!

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Wed 02/11/15 11:24 AM
So Conrad_73, do YOU own every 'false' story about Yourself? Who said 'all' these women are Christian Trinitarian Polytheists...? (Yet, You've Implied As Much) Whether or not these women are free or incarcerates of war, with the passing of time, people voluntarily change. Most Jewish women, for example, are already Monotheistic in their belief system, and don't need to change much at all.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 02/11/15 11:51 AM
It's important to remember, this Jordanian pilot was a Muslim. According to the Quran, no Muslim can deliberately kill another Muslim. So, I'm assuming these 'Hadithites' must of thought it was fare-seeming to kill him, without reference to the Quran! Which beckons the question, 'How Islamic are these would-be ISIS members anyways?' thats kinda far fetched, sheik... muslims been killing muslims for years, just because they were different muslims... wasn't one of the reasons for invading Ira had something to do with Saddam gassing the Kurds? Iraq/Iran war? Saddam Invading Kuwait? seems that muslims can just declare anyone an enemy and it would coincide with their religion to make it just... but then again, that's why all religions are purposely vague, so they can be interpreted many ways to suit their momentary needs...

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Wed 02/11/15 12:17 PM
It's important to remember, this Jordanian pilot was a Muslim. According to the Quran, no Muslim can deliberately kill another Muslim. So, I'm assuming these 'Hadithites' must of thought it was fare-seeming to kill him, without reference to the Quran! Which beckons the question, 'How Islamic are these would-be ISIS members anyways?' thats kinda far fetched, sheik... muslims been killing muslims for years, just because they were different muslims... wasn't one of the reasons for invading Ira had something to do with Saddam gassing the Kurds? Iraq/Iran war? Saddam Invading Kuwait? seems that muslims can just declare anyone an enemy and it would coincide with their religion to make it just... but then again, that's why all religions are purposely vague, so they can be interpreted many ways to suit their momentary needs... An excellent point, but that's why it's a rhetorical question! Now, just because somebody 'says' he or she is a Muslim doesn't always make it so. A small example would be somebody who is engaging in some-kind of illegal activity, by anybody's definition of 'Wrong Behaviour', but still claims they're a 'Good-Citizen.' All I'm saying is, the main catalyst for this behaviour isn't that they're claiming to be Muslims... It's the fact they're practicing Hadithism with the assumption it's Islamic. ****************** Starting To Understand ? *****************

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 02/11/15 12:22 PM
It's important to remember, this Jordanian pilot was a Muslim. According to the Quran, no Muslim can deliberately kill another Muslim. So, I'm assuming these 'Hadithites' must of thought it was fare-seeming to kill him, without reference to the Quran! Which beckons the question, 'How Islamic are these would-be ISIS members anyways?' thats kinda far fetched, sheik... muslims been killing muslims for years, just because they were different muslims... wasn't one of the reasons for invading Ira had something to do with Saddam gassing the Kurds? Iraq/Iran war? Saddam Invading Kuwait? seems that muslims can just declare anyone an enemy and it would coincide with their religion to make it just... but then again, that's why all religions are purposely vague, so they can be interpreted many ways to suit their momentary needs... An excellent point, but that's why it's a rhetorical question! Now, just because somebody 'says' he or she is a Muslim doesn't always make it so. A small example would be somebody who is engaging in some-kind of illegal activity, by anybody's definition of 'Wrong Behaviour', but still claims they're a 'Good-Citizen.' All I'm saying is, the main catalyst for this behaviour isn't that they're claiming to be Muslims... It's the fact they're practicing Hadithism with the assumption it's Islamic. ****************** Starting To Understand ? ***************** i understood a long time ago, just don't really think it matters that much... like saying your a baptist or a catholic, they both follow the same things, just interpreted differently...

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Wed 02/11/15 12:43 PM
True, Christendom has become much more tolerant with its varied congregations. To the point that some would argue that, that is negligent. At the far-end of the spectrum we have horrific events like the Spanish Inquisition or worse yet, just how vehemently Catholics fought Catholic like at the Battle Of Towton during the War Of The Roses. 28,000 dead in ten hours of point-blank fighting, about 550 years ago, when Lancaster verse Yorkists.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 02/11/15 02:31 PM
The Office of the Inquistion still exists under the name of Doctrinal Integrity, Pope Benedict was its head prior to becoming Pope.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 02/11/15 02:38 PM
The Office of the Inquistion still exists under the name of Doctrinal Integrity, Pope Benedict was its head prior to becoming Pope. yep,it is burning hundreds of Heretics every week in front of Saint Peter's Basilica!