There must be an end to this Bush-Clinton-Bush-(possible Clinton) cycle. No more. She is the axis of evil. It’s time for ‘a real change in office’.

The infrastructure of this country was not designed to support a socialist ideology.

look at our ****ing society. a 19 year old girl cant spend the night at a friends house without being kidnapped and now, probably killed. this happens on a day to day basis and we dont give a **** anymore. we need to start setting up morals and ethical points of view within our society..with or without god. this country has gone totally ****ing mad. we need to do something, and obviously it's only worsening over the past 200 years so we need to make a stand and stop putting pot heads away in jail longer than rapists. ya know?

Look what kind
of mess George
Bush Jr. and
his fundamentalist
supporters have
done to this country.

We don't need
another fundamentalist
for President!

i think what bush's problem is that he doesnt stick up for his decisions. such as the media bashing us being at war..and that our country needs legalized abortions because we have little hoes in freakin middle school running around like tramps. he needs to find his balls and remdind the country why he's doing what he's doing.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say there is a seperation of Church and State. December 15th, 1791, The Bill Of Rights was ratified. The framers wanted to address specific oversights and assure the people the Federal government wouldn't infringe upon basic rights as outlined in the Constitution. The first 10 Amendements were very carefully worded, the First Amendment saying:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Strict Judicial interpretation has since given us the phrasing "separation of Church and State". However, the framers never intended that and, in fact, went out of their way to make sure God WAS included in the wording and impression of the new nation.

John McCain is old as dirt and a racist bigget. If he wins the republican nomenation as President, it would not suprise me one bit if dug up Stomm Thurmond and selected him as his running mate or maybe even Gov. George Wallace.


He was a POW in the Vietnam war, look at him hes FRAIL as hell

John McCain is old as dirt and a racist bigget. If he wins the republican nomenation as President, it would not suprise me one bit if dug up Stomm Thurmond and selected him as his running mate or maybe even Gov. George Wallace.


He was a POW in the Vietnam war, look at him hes FRAIL as hell

So if Mike Huckabee
changes the Constitution
of the United States
to make it more in
line with his fundamentalist
Christian beliefs, where
does that leave Jewish people,
Buddists, Muslims, Hindus
and other people who are
not Christians?

Does that mean they
are no longer American
citizens because they
don't conform to
Mike Huckabee's standards?

not at all, however some standard of any religion should be established

but could do more for our country than you and hillary combined. we need to get rid of the illegals, and not a slap on the wrist. they just ****ing caused my car insurance to go up 130 bucks A MONTH because they're uninsured..its bs. i cant tolorate it anymore. yea our country has great landscaping..but we only need so many diswashers for our country. we need to finish building the fence to keep them out illegally.

No offense here but the constructors did not and were not trying to include religion per se in our government. I believe they included god in the wording to include the religious people somewhat. Here are some quotes for you on that subject:

"I believe in one God, Creator of the universe.... That the most acceptable service we can render Him is doing good to His other children.... As to Jesus ... I have ... some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble." - Benjamin Franklin (Alice J. Hall, "Philosopher of Dissent: Benj. Franklin," National Geographic, Vol. 148, No. 1, July, 1975, p. 94.)

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

Every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience." - George Washington (Letter to the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789)

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)

"When a Religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its Professors are obliged to call for help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." - Benjamin Franklin (from a letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780;)

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?" - John Adams
"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.'' - James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - signed by President John Adams.)

"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith." - Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776.)

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations." - Patrick Henry

"That religion, or the duty we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience." - Patrick Henry (Virginia Bill of Rights, June 12, 1776.)

"Congress shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion"

Sounds a lot like they
didn't want a State (National)
religion established.

To me that's separation
of Church and State!!

The State doesn't tell me
how I should worship so
they should just mind
their own business!!!

Why did some people come
to America?

To escape religious persecution!

wow, this broad really knows how to use smiles and google. :) now honey if you could only understand at least 40% of whats said and how it contributes to the convo..

Thanks Dragoness,
you stated the
case much more
eloquently than I.

yes i could agree..but look how our youth treats our elders vs any other country?? we have no respect for outselves, our neighbors, our political leaders, or other countries. im guilty of it as well, i wish that our country though would step up and have someone bring ethical and moral issues

Evil will still
exists no matter
who is President.

You can't force
people to be good.

Your welcome

Im an Italian American and I can tell you that this country was founded on immagrints. You dont seem by your pics to be Native American i may be wrong though. Close minded "Christians" said the same thing during the Cival Rights movment. Adolf Hitler had the same ideas it was called "ETHNIC CLEANSING"

They have just as much right to be here as any Non-Native American does