Topic: Hillary for President Yah or Nah?
BrandonJItaliano's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:53 PM
Just like Tammy Wynette sang about "Stand by your Man". I commend her for standing by him even though he decided to get blown by an ugly, fat, Jew. Sexuality is such a taboo in this country its retarded and if she decided it was right for her to stay with him, then i see it as strenth and thats what we need.

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 01/23/08 07:19 AM

All and all the Clinton administration wasnt that bad, Gas prices were down, the likes of the "PATRIOT" Act didnt exist, we were in realitive peace with our neighbors, unemployment was down, and we had a President who was Human with Human Emotions and not a totalitarian Dictator like we have now. The only reason that President Bush and Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cant get along is they are all three to much alike!!


comparing bad to worse is never a good thing. clinton wasn't all wrong, but he's partially responsible for where we sit today. he'd been cutting military funding and closing bases all over the world.

oh, and nice showing of racism in the other post. go you

mnhiker's photo
Wed 01/23/08 08:27 AM
The point wasn't that
she 'stood by her man'.

The point is that she
didn't even know what
was going on behind
her back and blamed
it on a 'vast right-wing
conspiracy'.

That was the paranoid side
of Hillary we don't get to
see that much of.

If she is faced with decisions
like the one with the Navy
and Iranian ships she might
get too paranoid and make
the wrong, knee-jerk decisions,
which could lead us to war again.

no photo
Wed 01/23/08 08:53 AM
Id vote for Hillary or Barrack, havent quite made up my mind yet!!

no photo
Wed 01/23/08 10:16 AM
I'm not quite sure myself either.

I hope we make the right choice, no matter who we vote for.

We all make a difference. One person can make a difference.

There are a lot of issues out there to solve.

Listen to each person and don't base them on religion or race.

We are all equal in the eyes of GOD.

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Wed 01/23/08 12:37 PM
There was no racism involved. I am not judgeing anyone nor have any ill feeling. Just stating a fact. Monica Lewinsky is ugly, and shes fat, and shes jewish. There was nothing stated that wasnt true. Its not to be taken as an anti-semetic statment, just take it for what is.

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 01/23/08 12:40 PM

There was no racism involved. I am not judgeing anyone nor have any ill feeling. Just stating a fact. Monica Lewinsky is ugly, and shes fat, and shes jewish. There was nothing stated that wasnt true. Its not to be taken as an anti-semetic statment, just take it for what is.


why is her ethnicity even part of your statement? that IS racism that you felt the need to point it out.

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Wed 01/23/08 01:18 PM
Nope its a mer factual statment, Is it racist to call a black person Black? Nope its not its just what it is!

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 01/23/08 01:20 PM

Nope its a mer factual statment, Is it racist to call a black person Black? Nope its not its just what it is!


it's racist to make that as a point, yes. if you were to state it any other way, maybe not. you stated it in a racist way and i doubt i'm the only person to see it in such a light

do you not see beyond people's color or race? i hardly see how those things factor into it.

you know, i never even knew she was jewish

Dragoness's photo
Wed 01/23/08 01:38 PM

Nope its a mer factual statment, Is it racist to call a black person Black? Nope its not its just what it is!


It isn't racist in the fact, it is racist or prejudice the way you said it. You lumped jewish into derogatory remarks. So yes, even if you did not mean it that way it is derogatory the way you said it.

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Wed 01/23/08 01:39 PM
i sure do see deeper than that, but i also use certain things to discribe people, she is what she is and thats it. On a Physical discription she is FAT, UGLY, and Jewish. Those are all three facts. Racism=Judgement What i said had no Judgement all it was was a physical discreption!

Dragoness's photo
Wed 01/23/08 01:42 PM

i sure do see deeper than that, but i also use certain things to discribe people, she is what she is and thats it. On a Physical discription she is FAT, UGLY, and Jewish. Those are all three facts. Racism=Judgement What i said had no Judgement all it was was a physical discreption!


Jewish is not a physical description, it is a religious description. Jewish people do not all have a physical characteristic that makes them different. It is still derogatory the way you said it, regardless to the defense you provide.

toastedoranges's photo
Wed 01/23/08 01:43 PM
It isn't racist in the fact, it is racist or prejudice the way you said it. You lumped jewish into derogatory remarks. So yes, even if you did not mean it that way it is derogatory the way you said it.


exactly, you said it as a derogitory statement

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Wed 01/23/08 01:45 PM
I would view it the same as stating an UGLY, Fat, Italian Girl. Or an Ugly, Fat, Oriental Girl, or and Ugly, Fat, mexican girl. It was nothing but stating mere facts and all it was, was decriptive!

Dragoness's photo
Wed 01/23/08 01:50 PM

I would view it the same as stating an UGLY, Fat, Italian Girl. Or an Ugly, Fat, Oriental Girl, or and Ugly, Fat, mexican girl. It was nothing but stating mere facts and all it was, was decriptive!


In all of those examples you have just reinforced your earlier problem. It is all derogatory. Maybe you could have said ugly to you or something like that. I don't appreciate any woman being described this way. I believe we are all beautiful in our own way. Why all the judgements there?

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Wed 01/23/08 02:02 PM
Racisim is an attack on someones character based on physical attributes. I didnt attack anyones character nor will i ever make that judgement. The first to statments (UGLY, FAT) were of my opinion. Some may aggree and some may not, and the word Jew was used as a discription because that is what race that women is. She knowingly had a affair with a married man, who just so happened to be the President of the United States and Our country had impeached him over statments made over this scandel.


Racism=Judgment on character based on physical attributes

Sexism=Judgement based on Chromosomes

Realism=Judgment based on Character and actions

The women slept with a married man and she alowed him to do some digrading acts with a Cigar tube.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 01/23/08 02:15 PM

Racisim is an attack on someones character based on physical attributes. I didnt attack anyones character nor will i ever make that judgement. The first to statments (UGLY, FAT) were of my opinion. Some may aggree and some may not, and the word Jew was used as a discription because that is what race that women is. She knowingly had a affair with a married man, who just so happened to be the President of the United States and Our country had impeached him over statments made over this scandel.


Racism=Judgment on character based on physical attributes

Sexism=Judgement based on Chromosomes

Realism=Judgment based on Character and actions

The women slept with a married man and she alowed him to do some digrading acts with a Cigar tube.


Well a little off subject but his affair was his wife's business not none of ours. We wasted millions of dollars establishing what? That the man did something against his marraige?noway noway noway noway noway

Anyway, yes, it is still a racist remark, it is derogatory. Your definitions only verify what you are trying to say it is not. Maybe there is a lesson to learn here? Ya think? Maybe? Judging others is a crime we are all guilty of but we shouldn't do it because it is a negative value to humans and ourselves, right? Hey no foul man, you are human and allowed mistakes, forgiven, okay?

zippyfear's photo
Wed 01/23/08 04:02 PM
No to Hillary.. if for one reason, she wants to raise taxes and ruin healthcare by implementing a single payer system.. which is retarded. (ok, that was two reasons)..

no photo
Wed 01/23/08 04:04 PM
no marksist communists with no morals and no military expierence in the white house again if you can stand it please.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 01/23/08 04:18 PM

no marksist communists with no morals and no military expierence in the white house again if you can stand it please.

You meant no "more" of them, right?laugh laugh