Topic: Hillary for President Yah or Nah?
toastedoranges's photo
Tue 01/22/08 10:12 PM
not reading all this, i'll just say that she's the devil and will eat your babies

Dragoness's photo
Tue 01/22/08 10:13 PM

not reading all this, i'll just say that she's the devil and will eat your babies


noway huh laugh laugh laugh noway huh

mnhiker's photo
Tue 01/22/08 10:15 PM
Yeah!

And she'll also come
into your homes and
take away all your
guns like Hitler did!

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Dragoness's photo
Tue 01/22/08 10:21 PM

Yeah!

And she'll also come
into your homes and
take away all your
guns like Hitler did!

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


noway laugh

mnhiker's photo
Tue 01/22/08 10:40 PM
Ah, smo and his delusions.

Foliel's photo
Tue 01/22/08 10:54 PM
Hmm does it matter?

Once they get in office they will do what they want anyways as it has always been.

I will vote -- if i decide to vote -- for the person that is closest to my own beliefs. If that is Hillary so be it, but so far i'm leaning towards Ron Paul (who for some reason I thought they called him Ru Paul lol)

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Tue 01/22/08 10:57 PM
Nah the only cross dresser ruining is rudy Guliani

mnhiker's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:00 PM
How would Rudy be
addressed if he
became President?

First Lady?

Foliel's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:00 PM
Maybe he'll drop soon

mnhiker's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:01 PM
Well the actor
just quit, so
it doesn't look
too good for Rudy.

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:05 PM
But i hear Rudy has a job at Ripleys Believe it or Not if he wants it. By the way he looked in that garb with Donald Trump, thats the only place that would hire him

mnhiker's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:09 PM
There or posing
for a wax dummy
at Madam Tussaud's
for Ugliest Woman
In the World.

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Tue 01/22/08 11:25 PM

If Hillary wins that means for the past 20 years the most powerful office in the world will be passed between two families. So HELL NO
That's what I say.

Foliel's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:28 PM
Whoever would be bet for the country should be president, IF that is Hillary so be it.

Foliel's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:28 PM
Edited by Foliel on Tue 01/22/08 11:29 PM
Whoever would be best for the country should be president, IF that is Hillary so be it.

mnhiker's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:30 PM
Longer than 20 years.

Remember, George H.W. Bush
was President before Bill Clinton.

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Tue 01/22/08 11:33 PM



Oh, I believe in God,
I just don't think
God should be legislated.

Separation of Church
and State has worked
for over 200 years,
so why mess with it?


Nowhere in the Constitution does it say there is a seperation of Church and State. December 15th, 1791, The Bill Of Rights was ratified. The framers wanted to address specific oversights and assure the people the Federal government wouldn't infringe upon basic rights as outlined in the Constitution. The first 10 Amendements were very carefully worded, the First Amendment saying:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Strict Judicial interpretation has since given us the phrasing "separation of Church and State". However, the framers never intended that and, in fact, went out of their way to make sure God WAS included in the wording and impression of the new nation.


No offense here but the constructors did not and were not trying to include religion per se in our government. I believe they included god in the wording to include the religious people somewhat. Here are some quotes for you on that subject:

"I believe in one God, Creator of the universe.... That the most acceptable service we can render Him is doing good to His other children.... As to Jesus ... I have ... some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble." - Benjamin Franklin (Alice J. Hall, "Philosopher of Dissent: Benj. Franklin," National Geographic, Vol. 148, No. 1, July, 1975, p. 94.)

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

Every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience." - George Washington (Letter to the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789)

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)

"When a Religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its Professors are obliged to call for help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." - Benjamin Franklin (from a letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780;)

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?" - John Adams
"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.'' - James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - signed by President John Adams.)

"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith." - Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776.)

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations." - Patrick Henry

"That religion, or the duty we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience." - Patrick Henry (Virginia Bill of Rights, June 12, 1776.)



Thank you for that great post.

mnhiker's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:34 PM
The thing is,
Bill Clinton
will be running
the country by
proxy if Hillary
gets in.

Do you want
another Bill Clinton
presidency?

She can't shut
him up on the
campaign trail
so how is she
going to she
going to control
him the the
White House?

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:42 PM
All and all the Clinton administration wasnt that bad, Gas prices were down, the likes of the "PATRIOT" Act didnt exist, we were in realitive peace with our neighbors, unemployment was down, and we had a President who was Human with Human Emotions and not a totalitarian Dictator like we have now. The only reason that President Bush and Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cant get along is they are all three to much alike!!

mnhiker's photo
Tue 01/22/08 11:44 PM
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/hillary.today/

Would you entrust a woman
who exhibited this behavior
with the highest office
in the land? huh