Some great ideas in here - I'll try changing the description of General Discussion and also moving it lower on the forum list. This really should only be for topics that don't fit anywhere else. Let's see how that works...

Coco - I exempted a bunch of your topics from moderation and just moved them to Chit Chat. You can find them there.

Hi folks,

I'm doing a clean up in general discussion and moving a bunch of topics out to the appropriate forum. So if you don't see your topic, try looking in a different forum.

Thanks,
Mike

By the way, we're working on some better moved topic tools so that it's more clear when a topic has been moved. Hopefully that will help teach everyone what the appropriate forum for a topic is.

Thanks for your cooperation! Hope everyone is enjoying the site.

Hi folks,

With some of the new forums that we've created recently, I think there's some confusion around where to post certain types of topics.

Topics that are chatty in nature, i.e. topics like "Hi", "What's everyone doing tonight", "Who's online", etc. should be posted in the "Coffee Houses, Bars, and Other Chit Chat" forum. We want to move these topics out of General Discussion and into the Chit Chat forum.

General discussion should be reserved only for topics that don't fit in any other forum.

We're not trying to be anal about this, but its really more of a courtesy to other members. When people post in the correct forum, we can ensure that members only have to browse through topics of the type they are interested in without wading through other non-related topics.

So please everyone - try to make sure to post your topic in the correct forum, particular chat threads.

Thanks,
Mike & VC

Hmm that's strange. Well glad you found a workaround. We also reverted back to our old html uploader, so you might be able to upload from your mac again now. Let us know if you have any more issues.

OK we switched back to the old way of uploading photos. Can you all try again and let us know if you're still having any issues? Thanks!

Don't forget to give us the thumbs up all you stumblers! Thank you!

I'm not going to get into the middle of who's right or who's wrong here. All I know is that virtually everyone on this thread has made an attack or derogatory comment about another member at some point, not just Spidercmb. Who's truly innocent in that regard? And at least Spidercmb is trying to do something about it by bringing up the point that we should be focusing on the message, not the messenger.

My only point in posting on this thread was to clarify what our rules would define as an attack on another member. Let's leave it at that. There are a ton of great posters on this site, Spidercmb being one of them, that have valuable insights that you can learn from even if you don't agree with them. But that's only possible if you have a true dialogue with each other, not an argument, and to do that requires an effort on both sides regardless of past differences.

Just to be triple clear, there are a lot of other people on this thread who have also crossed the line, so although I used spidercmb's post as an example, I could have used posts made by many others including a bunch in this topic. And I applaud spidercmb for making the original post. What he is saying is absolutely true. I just wanted to make sure it was absolutely clear to everyone what our rules would require.

Thanks jwaddy for the suggestion. We actually already have an html-based image uploader as a backup. People who don't have javascript enabled should see that version. The issue seems to be something more peculiar.

Our new uploader is flash based. So the people who are having issues have javascript enabled and are getting the flash uploader version of the page, but for some reason are unable to upload pics with it. It's been hard to debug because I can't reproduce it. I think worst case, we'll just back out the flash-based version on Monday and go back to the old html way.

If you have any ideas on what might be wrong though, I'm all ears...

I deleted it - I thought people were getting upset by it, was I wrong?

OK folks - let's all calm down here before it gets out of hand.

First, I want to make clear that Spidercmb's original post is absolutely true and actually a rule of JustSayHi - you may attack the message, but not the messenger. We encourage free debate on all manner of topics as long as this rule is followed.

That having been said, calling someone a jackass is clearly a violation of that rule, as is calling someone stupid or a moron, etc. The basic guidline is you may argue with the CONTENT of a post, but not make a comment on the POSTER.

So, if this:

"You don't see that she's making a joke? Wow. She's right, you guys will take anything and use it as a weapon to attack another person. The cool thing is, she gives you weapons that make you look stupid. "Ann Coulter wants to take away women's rights to vote!" She is a woman and a voter jackass, she was making a joke."

...had been changed to this:

"You don't see that she's making a joke? Ann Coulter wants to take away women's rights to vote!" She is a woman and a voter, she was making a joke."

it would have been fine. You're making a point, but not making a criticism of the poster.

But the "make you look stupid" and "jackass" crossed the line.

Again, though, what spidercmb is saying regarding attacking the message and not the messenger is absolutely true. I just wanted to make sure everyone is clear on what that means in terms of our rules.

Hope that helps. And let's continue to keep a civil tone in this and all topics.

Thanks,
Mike

Massagetrade - great post. I think you're absolutely right - if we keep the pity-seeking/attention-seeking rule, we need to be more specific about what that means. And what we're trying to achieve is exactly along the lines of the examples you gave. Let us think about that a bit and see if we can come up with some wording that's more clear.

What error code are you getting? Can you tell me the message exactly?

We're working on being able to see all posts by a specific author. We're also trying to come up with some kind of "watched topics" system where you can see just the topics you are interested in across all forums. Hopefully that will help.

OK folks thanks - we'll either figure it out or back out the changes we made recently. Should be fixed by end of day Monday at the latest. Thanks for letting us know.

Adj4u - with regards to joking about sex in a vague sense, I think that would probably fine as long as it's not too crass.

Basically, rules #3 and #4 have always been in place. So the things that were deleted before will still be deleted, and things that weren't are still ok. We just wanted to make sure they were included in the official forum rules so that users couldn't say "But it's not in the rules!"

So overall, we still plan to allow for fairly open conversation. And in the Sex and Dating forum, we're more lenient than in the normal forums. But sometimes people cross the line, and we wanted to make sure there were rules in place for those circumstances.

Hi folks,

So with regard to no explicit, sexual, offensive or vulgar language, we're not flexible. There are a ton of users who want to turn JSH into a sex site, and we're not going to allow that. The site's PG-13, and if that's not what you're looking for, there are plenty of other places on the internet where you can find that.

And we're not going to tolerate intolerance, so rule #4 is also here for good: no bigotry towards race, sexual orientation, religion, etc. That doesn't mean that you can't state that you are bi or gay by any means. Of course you can talk about those things! But not in a way where it's meant to offend or hurt another race, religion, etc.

Now one thing to remember is that in your private messages or IM's to one another, you're free to discuss anything you'd like. If you want to talk dirty to one another in mail, go for it! As long as you're not harassing the other user, we don't care. But on the forums, there are a lot more restrictions.

Regarding the pity-seeking and attention-seeking threads, though, we're flexible. I'd really like to know more about what people think about this. Personally, I think they are kind of lame, but we're definitely open to changing this rule if people feel strongly about it. So please let us know what you think - we're listening!

Thanks,
Mike

OK thanks - do you know if it's Windows XP? We'll take a look and see if we can figure out what's going on...