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fathers.
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my ex took my kid away from me so i have to be a father from a distince cuz im not aloud to see her. my ex got married and doesnt want me around. so its not alway the man at fault some woman just dont like the babys dad this is true, but never give up,,, I have a relative whose mother was that way her whole life, but her dad continued to send child support and try to contact her however he could , and even though he was mostly unsuccessful at contacting her,,,once she grew up and was on her own,, she was curious enough to look him up and she then found out the truth and they have a relationship neither would ever trade never give up , whatever obstacles get in between you and your child,,, |
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Bestinshow, I agree with you that men have used the Priesthood throughout the centuries for their own personal agendas. And, I agree with you that there are currently a large percentage of homosexual priests. And, a good percentage of them are pedophiles. But, they were like that BEFORE they became priests. So, what does celibacy have to do with it? They were pedophiles before they became priests. Marrying a woman is not going to satisfy their sexual desires. It doesn't stop a pedophile from being a pedophile. As far as there being no man who would give up sex for his life to serve God, I'm wondering what you think your Jesuit priest friend did? Did he have a girlfriend? Boyfriend? Are you absolutely sure that there have never been men willing to give up sex for the love of God? Granted they are fewer in number, but I assure they exist. That's why the Priesthood is a calling and not fo everyone. Just because there are men who abuse the privelege does not mean real priests don't exist. you said it sister we live in a culture that has the masses brainwashed to feel entitled to or required to have sex as if its some consequenceless means of entertainment people give up all kind of addictions that actually cause physical havoc on the body when they stop using them Im sure people , when they have the calling, dont find it difficult to give up sex,,, |
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Which means Insurance should either pay for birth control, or pay to deliver AND RAISE a child to adulthood. How do you think they would like them apples? 
insurance shouldnt HAVE to cover our sexual activities,,, sex is not mandatory or required for life insurance SHOULD be able to have the OPTION to cover them though |
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IMHO birth control should be handled just like every other medication. No special exceptions just because its a contraceptive. I'm fine with that. I don't see why it should be handled differently. medication is to treat illness or prevent illness birth control is to back up those who wish to have sex but not get pregnant few people have as much control over 'illnesses' as they do over whether they get pregnant so, its a BIT different |
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msharmony said: relevance? explain how someone can steal without taking but taking is not a crime and STEALING is If I take the camera out of my desk, that is not illegal if I take YOUR camera, without your permission, that is illegal and called 'stealing' Chocolina said: Till here you didn't explain " how someone can steal without taking" You explain the difference between 'take' and 'steal' Now pls one more try ... How someone can steal without to take it ? msharmony said: you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing Here I'm lost in your logic twist Msharmony  
my logic is this because an apple is a fruit, does not make all fruits an apple because to steal one must take, does not make all taking stealing because to murder one must kill, does not make all killing murder etc,,,,, |
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msharmony said: relevance? explain how someone can steal without taking but taking is not a crime and STEALING is If I take the camera out of my desk, that is not illegal if I take YOUR camera, without your permission, that is illegal and called 'stealing' Chocolina said: Till here you didn't explain " how someone can steal without taking" You explain the difference between 'take' and 'steal' Now pls one more try ... How someone can steal without to take it ? msharmony said: you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing Here I'm lost in your logic twist Msharmony
It is true, you can "kill" without murdering. But you can only take without stealing if what you're taking is your own. Reason you can kill without murdering is because you can kill a cow for dinner. It's only "murder" when it's illegal. The taking of one's life is murder in both man's law and God's law. But also have to keep in mind the time span something is written. In those days our language wasn't as complicated then as it is now. not true, I can also take something down that isnt mine if its on my property I can also take something from someone if they have given me permission neither is the same as stealing the bible mentions both killing and murder and they dont use them in the same context because one is against the law and one is not,,, as in 'a time to kill' as opposed to 'thou shalt not MURDER' |
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speaking for myself
no crap intended here but if the OP actually wants to communicate with people on a forum, it is helpful advice to share with him some of the things he could correct to make that a bit easier again, the space bar and the enter key are not taking any more effort than the letters he uses to type the words,,,,, not a rag on anyone, just honest and helpful advice |
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There,the Nation's going to poop,and Obama worries about Birth-Control! Not in his Jobdescription! Is Obama worrying about birth control? HE already has two BEAUTIFUL girls and I wouldnt think Michele was planning anymore,,,,, lol |
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Personaly I think they should do away with that celibacy thing let the priests marry women and lead a normal life. I dont think people become pedophiles because they cant get married sex and marriage dont have to go together anymore and if breaking rules were a concern, they would be CELIBATE having sex with children is just as much a violation as having sex with a woman |
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its sad really
I imagine its this way with any position of 'authority' some become cops because they are bullies some become politicians for the same reason some become stepdads/stepmoms to abuse children and so it is, unfortunately, in the church ...perhaps they could do psychological evaluations on priests before they are ordained,,,just to diminish the odds a bit |
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Topic:
Being Alone Is Painful
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I don't. I love being alone. lol,, me too well, I loved it when I was,,, Im now a single parent and I can barely remember what things like alone privacy space ....are anymore,,,,lol |
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the death penalty
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What i don't understand is in this country we have a government full of Jesus freaks,a country with "In God We Trust" on the money and yet according to their believes if you accept Jesus as your lord and savior odds are you go to heaven,plus didn't their God say thou shalt not kill?So their supposive creator said this and a christian on death row will go to heaven likely,where exactly is the punishment except for the ones who did Gods will by executing them,according to believers they should be the ones going to hell. I'm for the death penalty because it makes room for more cold blooded murderers,hopefully George Bush Jr. is next. Executions are carried out by the state. The government is secular and some of the largest groups of anti death penalty advocates are religious groups. 
trusting is a much looser standard than obeying obeying would require agreement over what there was to obey (which God, which rules, etc) trusting 'god' is a very general statement that requires no REAL effort by anyone and cant truly be forced,,, |
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Topic:
the death penalty
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What i don't understand is in this country we have a government full of Jesus freaks,a country with "In God We Trust" on the money and yet according to their believes if you accept Jesus as your lord and savior odds are you go to heaven,plus didn't their God say thou shalt not kill?So their supposive creator said this and a christian on death row will go to heaven likely,where exactly is the punishment except for the ones who did Gods will by executing them,according to believers they should be the ones going to hell. I'm for the death penalty because it makes room for more cold blooded murderers,hopefully George Bush Jr. is next. Speaking for myself, whom I consider christian, death would not be a penalty, but that still does not mean I would look forward to or be happy about someone KILLING me. Im praying for a natural death, honestly. |
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Healthcare
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I don't want or need healthcare and the government should not be able to mandate that I have it. I hope the supreme court throws it all out! The judical is the only branch of government making decent decisions. how do you possibly know you will never need medical assistance? thats like my son saying he didnt want to get auto insurance because he was never going to have an accident...... 
But if you son doesn't want it he doesn't have to drive or own a car. He isn't forced to have auto insurance. but because he does have a car and drive it, there is always the possibility he will have or cause an ACCIDENT and incur financial expenses or cause someone else to the same is true of his body and his health, unfortunately, there is always the possibility he will become ill, have an accident or injury, etc,,, and incur financial expense and/or cause additional expenses for a doctor or establishment who are responsible to care after him |
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Topic:
Man's Way and the Right Way
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three types of people
those that dont believe in God those that believe a God exists to serve us those who believe we exist to serve God |
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Topic:
the future
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just wondering how people view the future now that eastern philosophy and living has entered the west whats entered the west? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 03/05/12 12:09 AM
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no need to explain what noone but you has posted the issue is whether the bible says not to murder or not to kill the issue of whether murdering involves killing is a distraction and irrelevant , as you CAN kill without murdering,,, you deem it irrelevant only because you couldn't explain how someone can murder without killing the same as you wouldn't be able to explain how someone can kill without murdering... murder and killing is the same ....even if one commit suicide they have both murder and killed theirself, even if someone ask you to kill them they are in fact asking you to murder them you can't do one without doing the other this is why the bible states "Thou Shalt Not Kill" ..if not then you will have people out there doing the same exact thing that is taking place in this forum... making excuses and trying to find legal ways or terminolgy so they can kill and justify it as not being murder you can kill without murdering,, just as you can take without stealing the same way you can have sex, or fondle, or kiss, without RAPING(although you cannot rape without doing one of those things) the same way you can take money from the bank without ROBBING it(although you cannot rob without taking money) the bible says not to steal, but it does not say not to ever TAKE the law says we cannot rape someone, but it does not say we cannot have sex these are different degrees of an action, its not about excusing, its about looking at things in a balanced and realistic way we kill for food, we kill in defense, BOTH are justified in the bible so therefore would be foolish to say not to 'kill' murder refers to 'unlawful' killing |
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Topic:
the death penalty
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I am against any intentional and planned taking of a human life
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Topic:
love and tolerance
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love is possible, and sometimes quite necessary...
FROM A DISTANCE..... |
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Peter_Pan said: NO, you asked: "explain how someone can murder without killing " Answer: funches murders logic, yet logic still lives... Where is the corpse then ?  
As I know murder and killing always left a dead body 
it appears that MsHarmony and Peter_Pan, Cowboy and a host of others believe that you can murder people but not kill them.....unfortunately they can't explain how to accomplish this feat no need to explain what noone but you has posted the issue is whether the bible says not to murder or not to kill the issue of whether murdering involves killing is a distraction and irrelevant , as you CAN kill without murdering,,, |
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