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Thu 04/10/08 01:28 PM
Spell it: catsup or ketchup?

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Thu 04/10/08 01:29 PM
potatoe

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Thu 04/10/08 01:29 PM

Spell it: catsup or ketchup?


ketchup

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Thu 04/10/08 01:29 PM

potatoe


Tomato

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Thu 04/10/08 01:30 PM
either or, depends on what company makes it......

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Thu 04/10/08 01:30 PM
Heinz

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Thu 04/10/08 01:30 PM
They are both correct...catsup is a variant

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Thu 04/10/08 01:30 PM
ketchup

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Thu 04/10/08 01:30 PM
rosey or rosie

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Thu 04/10/08 01:31 PM
But, do you pronounce them differently? Cat sup and Ketch up. Damn, the pondering is killing me.

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Thu 04/10/08 01:31 PM

Heinz


Is there any other kind?

And I use ketchup. Catsup always looked wrong to me

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Thu 04/10/08 01:31 PM
I know she isn't rosey; nothing that bad could smell rosey.

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Thu 04/10/08 01:31 PM

rosey or rosie
actually Roselyn, but any variant of that will do too. laugh

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Thu 04/10/08 01:31 PM
Ketchupbigsmile

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Thu 04/10/08 01:32 PM
Either is perfectly fine. flowerforyou

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Thu 04/10/08 01:32 PM
My rosey comment was totally not directed at you.

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Thu 04/10/08 01:33 PM


potatoe


Tomato


tomatoe happy

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Thu 04/10/08 01:34 PM

But, do you pronounce them differently? Cat sup and Ketch up. Damn, the pondering is killing me.


Catsup used to made with catfish for minerals, but was too expensive to produce so now most is made just from tom paste and spices.

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Thu 04/10/08 01:35 PM
KETCHUP VERSUS CATSUP

[Q] From Suzanne: “Why is ketchup also called catsup?”

[A] Ketchup was one of the earliest names given to this condiment, so spelled in Charles Lockyer’s book of 1711, An Account of the Trade in India: “Soy comes in Tubbs from Jappan, and the best Ketchup from Tonquin; yet good of both sorts are made and sold very cheap in China”. Nobody seems quite sure where it comes from, and I won’t bore you with a long disquisition concerning the scholarly debate on the matter, which is reflected in the varied origins given in major dictionaries. It’s likely to be from a Chinese dialect, imported into English through Malay. The original was a kind of fish sauce, though the modern Malay and Indonesian version, with the closely related name kecap, is a sweet soy sauce.

Like their Eastern forerunners, Western ketchups were dipping sauces. I’m told the first ketchup recipe appeared in Elizabeth Smith’s book The Compleat Housewife of 1727 and that it included anchovies, shallots, vinegar, white wine, sweet spices (cloves, ginger, mace, nutmeg), pepper and lemon peel. Not a tomato in sight, you will note — tomato ketchup was not introduced until about a century later, in the US, and caught on only slowly. It was more usual to base the condiment on mushrooms, or sometimes walnuts.

The confusion about names started even before Charles Lockyer wrote about it, since there is an entry dated 1690 in the Dictionary of the Canting Crew which gives it as catchup, which is another Anglicisation of the original Eastern term. Catchup was used much more in North America than in Britain: it was still common in the middle years of the nineteenth century, as in a story in Scribner’s Magazine in 1859: “I do not object to take a few slices of cold boiled ham ... with a little mushroom catchup, some Worcester sauce, and a pickle or so”. Indeed, catchup continued to appear in American works for some decades and is still to be found on occasion.

There were lots of other spellings, too, of which catsup is the best known, a modification of catchup. You can blame Jonathan Swift for it if you like, since he used it first in 1730: “And, for our home-bred British cheer, Botargo, catsup, and caveer”. [Caveer is caviar; botargo is a fish-based relish made of the roe of the mullet or tunny.] That form was also once common in the US but is much less so these days, at least on bottle labels: all the big US manufacturers now call their product ketchup.

Simple question: complicated answer!

World Wide Words is copyright © Michael Quin

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Thu 04/10/08 01:37 PM

KETCHUP VERSUS CATSUP

[Q] From Suzanne: “Why is ketchup also called catsup?”

[A] Ketchup was one of the earliest names given to this condiment, so spelled in Charles Lockyer’s book of 1711, An Account of the Trade in India: “Soy comes in Tubbs from Jappan, and the best Ketchup from Tonquin; yet good of both sorts are made and sold very cheap in China”. Nobody seems quite sure where it comes from, and I won’t bore you with a long disquisition concerning the scholarly debate on the matter, which is reflected in the varied origins given in major dictionaries. It’s likely to be from a Chinese dialect, imported into English through Malay. The original was a kind of fish sauce, though the modern Malay and Indonesian version, with the closely related name kecap, is a sweet soy sauce.

Like their Eastern forerunners, Western ketchups were dipping sauces. I’m told the first ketchup recipe appeared in Elizabeth Smith’s book The Compleat Housewife of 1727 and that it included anchovies, shallots, vinegar, white wine, sweet spices (cloves, ginger, mace, nutmeg), pepper and lemon peel. Not a tomato in sight, you will note — tomato ketchup was not introduced until about a century later, in the US, and caught on only slowly. It was more usual to base the condiment on mushrooms, or sometimes walnuts.

The confusion about names started even before Charles Lockyer wrote about it, since there is an entry dated 1690 in the Dictionary of the Canting Crew which gives it as catchup, which is another Anglicisation of the original Eastern term. Catchup was used much more in North America than in Britain: it was still common in the middle years of the nineteenth century, as in a story in Scribner’s Magazine in 1859: “I do not object to take a few slices of cold boiled ham ... with a little mushroom catchup, some Worcester sauce, and a pickle or so”. Indeed, catchup continued to appear in American works for some decades and is still to be found on occasion.

There were lots of other spellings, too, of which catsup is the best known, a modification of catchup. You can blame Jonathan Swift for it if you like, since he used it first in 1730: “And, for our home-bred British cheer, Botargo, catsup, and caveer”. [Caveer is caviar; botargo is a fish-based relish made of the roe of the mullet or tunny.] That form was also once common in the US but is much less so these days, at least on bottle labels: all the big US manufacturers now call their product ketchup.

Simple question: complicated answer!

World Wide Words is copyright © Michael Quin


That explains everything.

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