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So the argument is we as humans are not smart enough to understand God? ok....that's your belief, but that does not satisfy me. I simply cannot accept that. That is why we are humans and not like god. We are not anywhere near the knowledge that god holds. Trying to compare Humans to Gods Knowledge is like And Ant, ""being a very smart insect"" to Albert Einstein. 
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Your statement rebutted itself. If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. If God is alive, he must exist. It seems that you are ignoring the possiblity that God exists in another spacetime than our universe. God's spacetime in infinite, while ours is finite.
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God knows everything right? He knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. That would mean God's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. And if God has no free will God is not omnipotent. Again your missing the point. With GOD there is no Starting point. He has always been. Your thinking as hard as you can yet the simple flaws of human nature is clouding your opinion. With GOD, the creator there is NO beginning, and NO ending. TIME is a measurement of GOD's Creation. Time is bi-product of the creation. |
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God knows everything right? He knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. That would mean God's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. And if God has no free will God is not omnipotent. Again your missing the point. With GOD there is no Starting point. He has always been. Your thinking as hard as you can yet the simple flaws of human nature is clouding your opinion. With GOD, the creator there is NO beginning, and NO ending. TIME is a measurement of GOD's Creation. Time is bi-product of the creation. Must be nice to live in your world where you simply accept things as God simply because there is no other way to rationalize it. |
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God knows everything right? He knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. That would mean God's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. And if God has no free will God is not omnipotent. Again your missing the point. With GOD there is no Starting point. He has always been. Your thinking as hard as you can yet the simple flaws of human nature is clouding your opinion. With GOD, the creator there is NO beginning, and NO ending. TIME is a measurement of GOD's Creation. Time is bi-product of the creation. Must be nice to live in your world where you simply accept things as God simply because there is no other way to rationalize it. Well you know he is god, and he made everything, so I have to take what he says with most respect. If he tells me He has always been. Then that is it. How else can I look around it? My mind is limited to what I know because of what I am. Simple a man. God is much more then me, he created everything. How can I question his knowledge or try to compare my self to him. Time is a measurement of gods creation like I said before. There was no time, its simply exists because the creation was made. Before the creation there was nothing, but GOD. That is just how things are, I have come to accept that because that is what it is. I know my mind, and the minds of others have a hard time to accept this, but that is due to we live in a creation where there is a beginning which is life, and an ending which is death. Living and dieing, beginning and ending are all a part of this thing called time. And again time only purpose, its only reason it to measure gods creation. If I can show you on paper that 2 + 2 = 4 I can show you two 11 and two more 11 all placed together 1111 = 4 Its only up to you to accept that answer. |
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? How can anyone rebut such an illogical statement? Your statement assumes that existence has to exist within a space time matrix. That has not been established so your statement is moot. You should first define existence and you must demonstrate that God actually "lives" in the sense that we define life. JB |
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? How can anyone rebut such an illogical statement? Your statement assumes that existence has to exist within a space time matrix. That has not been established so your statement is moot. You should first define existence and you must demonstrate that God actually "lives" in the sense that we define life. JB |
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The flaw in man is we have learned and lived to know there is always a beginning and an ending. That is why we are man, because our minds can not understand anything past then what we know or have learned. God has always been. With him there is no beginning and ending. We has humans can not accept or understand always been. I do believe he's got it! 
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? How can anyone rebut such an illogical statement? Your statement assumes that existence has to exist within a space time matrix. That has not been established so your statement is moot. You should first define existence and you must demonstrate that God actually "lives" in the sense that we define life. JB Leave the word "matrix" out of it JB! You saw where that got us all the last time it was mentioned.  
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? How can anyone rebut such an illogical statement? Your statement assumes that existence has to exist within a space time matrix. That has not been established so your statement is moot. You should first define existence and you must demonstrate that God actually "lives" in the sense that we define life. JB How do I know you exist? All I see is text on my monitor. How do I know you aren't someone else? I see the words that I am reading and I have faith that you do in fact exist and I believe that your writings were inspired by your desire but I don't buy into it. Hey! That's an interesting concept!
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? How can anyone rebut such an illogical statement? Your statement assumes that existence has to exist within a space time matrix. That has not been established so your statement is moot. You should first define existence and you must demonstrate that God actually "lives" in the sense that we define life. JB If "for you" God does not exist your entire question is a moot point. P.S. Time and space do not exist therefore they did not need to be "created" by a non-existent God. Chew on that. |
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Y'all are dealing with issues that are currently, perhaps forever, unanswerable through science. So what came first, the chicken or the egg? Colonel Sanders
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? your own question is a contradiction per se. Ergo, it does mot deserve an answer. |
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? your own question is a contradiction per se. Ergo, it does mot deserve an answer. You got it! He just likes to start a weird meaningless thread an sit back and watch. JB |
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Again. it must be nice to live in a place where every little thing that goes wrong in the world can be justified to you as simply, "God's doing....he has a reason."
What is that reason? Is there a reason for millions sick and/or starving? People being murdered, raped, and countless other things. Sure there is a simple reason, it's a fairytale, fiction, or whatever word you want to use. Now I know I won't sway you thumpers anymore than you will sway me. But what of my second argument if you don't like the first. "God knows everything right? He knows what he will do in the "future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. That would mean God's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. And if God has no free will God is not omnipotent. PS JB- Time and space do not exist? Since when? |
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Y'all are dealing with issues that are currently, perhaps forever, unanswerable through science. So what came first, the chicken or the egg? chicken lips... |
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? your own question is a contradiction per se. Ergo, it does mot deserve an answer. You got it! He just likes to start a weird meaningless thread an sit back and watch. JB |
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? your own question is a contradiction per se. Ergo, it does mot deserve an answer. You got it! He just likes to start a weird meaningless thread an sit back and watch. JB C'mon Keith, do you really buy what you are selling? |
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If God created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. Rebuttal? your own question is a contradiction per se. Ergo, it does mot deserve an answer. You got it! He just likes to start a weird meaningless thread an sit back and watch. JB No, I've taken a pole on this, and it is weird and meaningless to approximately 600 people. Mostly meaningless. The results are still coming in. 
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