why do people have a "belief" that they have the right to believe what they want to believe? ...if that was true then tell of a rational thought you had that no one else ever said ..I bet you can't.... but if you could... whatever that rational thought would be no matter what..it would change the world

if you have a firm belief that 2+2=5 and who knows there may actually be a rational way to prove that but if one cannot supply a rational answer or claim faith or feeling that the answer is right then one should consider that there is a slight chance that the belief or their thinking may be delusional, and a rational person would not blame others for thinking the same since the one making the claim that 2+2=5 cannot come up with a rational answer as to why it is

you may believe you have the right to any belief and that may be so.. but only if you keep that belief to yourself but once the belief is expressed it then has the potential to effect others and that is why any and all beliefs that is uttered or written must be challenged

since man's survival required that he feeds on death to live would mean that all his religious beliefs are geared to follow that same concept ..so if you have a belief that your belief will save the world then most likely that belief is designed to control or destroyed the world...if I'm wrong then simply reveal how your religious or spiritual belief would save the world ..if you cannot do that then you have just become enlighten to the fact why others will and must challenge that belief ..because your belief could be the one that will help destroy the world

I don't like beliefs. I take my philosophy from the Movie "Dogma".

I like Ideas, people will fight and die for beliefs, but an Idea can be changed.

It doesn't seem very right to shape your philosophy and your beliefs from a hollywood movie.

And changing ideas just sounds like you want to conform to whatever anyone else thinks of your ideas.
Like chaff in the wind.. :)

In the Old Testament, God is called the rock. In the New Testament, Jesus is called the rock. God is a stable and unchanging foundation upon which we can build our faith. I like beliefs that don't change. Nobody will go to war for brotherly love. Nobody will go to war to love their neighbors. It's when people have lost sight of the core beliefs that Jesus lived and died to teach us that Christians become willing to fight for their beliefs.

Dying for your beliefs isn't such a bad thing. If something is truely important to you like freedom or tolerance or love, then you should be willing to die for your beliefs.

Funches.

very intersting point. I agree with you.

The world and its immutibility as a stage for man is as suspect as 2+2=5.

History and archaeology have evidenced that man is a very temporal component of the stage, and quite a destructive one at that in the arrogance displayed by the continual rape and disparaging destruction of the natural habitat that sustains man's very own potential.

In that regard alone, I can accept survival of the fittest as a doctrinal theory suggesting the blatant and glaring possibility that man is not long for this world.

In any case, I rejoice over the magnificence of creation and the earth's bounty.

I am grateful for the opportunity to behold this life and have lived it well and experienced tremendous pleasure and pain, witnessed good and evil, partaken of the same, gone this way and that and studied black and white and every imaginable shade between the two.

The awesome splendor is not lost on me. I am thankful and not bitter.


But as the world turns, it turns not because of me but rather for me. I am not above realizing that it is respectful for me to consider that.

That I will not grace the presence of the stage forever is part of the play which is also a prolog and epilog

I didn't come here knowing where I would go, but being here has revealed that to me.

Jesus led the way, and where he leads, I will follow.

I especially like his remarks, " Let the dead bury the dead...follow me."

Have a wonderful day, and I enjoy your thread, my friend.

peace.

actually if the belief of 2+2=5 is socially excepted and there is no proof to the contrary (in this case there is, i am just speaking on a hypothetical) then you would not be suffering from a delusion.

http://www.kfunigraz.ac.at/imawww/pages/humor/twoandtwo.html

I would also like to say that 10 + 10= 100 cause its true.

an idea actually describes what a belief is...both are the end results from the conclusion of a thought that has not yet in that point in time been proven to be anything more that what it is ...a thought

I'm right with you. I didn't want to "conform to anyone else thinks" so I broke away from my parents religion of Christianity and went on my own.
You too I bet. Opened your eyes and blazed your own trail with your own thoughts away and diffrent then the way you were raised. Good for you. You are no longer Chaff my friend.

Peace in thruth

if God was unchanging then he wouldn't have changed into Jesus



a belief that doesn't change also doesn't exist



there is nothing that exist or doesn't exist that people won't go to war over



Jesus didn't fight for his beliefs..his mission was one of suicide



dying for something that can not be proven or even exist is irrational ...freedom, tolerance or love only exist as frames of minds and doesn't exist beyond the mind ...human nature is self-preservation not finding irrational reasons to end one's life

I am gonna disagree with you on a few points. A person can believe in something and never change that belief and that belief will exist.

I really don't think people would go to war over Jelly Beans.

Dying for your beliefs isnt the problem, its when you think you have the right to kill others for them is when it turns from faith to fanaticism. Dont tell me thats "gods way"..

it that was true then you would have killed yourself off a long time ago ..



sounds kind of gloomy

Wow. That makes no sense. God didn't turn into Jesus. God's character doesn't change. God is always loving, merciful, just, righteous, etc.



Okay, that makes absolutely no sense. You are just replying because you feel that you have to. Gibberish doesn't make a good post.



In your biased opinion. Your opinion doesn't make it fact. It's actually a stupid thing to say. People will go to war over a single can of green beans? People will go to war over a fat guy farting in his bedroom as he falls asleep? Sorry man, but you aren't making sense here. There are plenty of things that people wouldn't go to war over.



Point being...? That has nothing to do with what I posted.



Okay, so Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X all died for nothing. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Wow. I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT ANYONE SHOULD BE KILLED. "Dont tell me thats "gods way".."...OKAY... WHY WOULD I? I don't believe that way. WOW. Do you think I'm sitting here with a Hockey mask on waiting for a non-Christian to walk by so that I can kill him/her? Get a grip.

but, poof!!!

I was born again

now it's His turn.

But then, that's my Cross to bear, Funches.

I can see a lot more from up here.

i think I see your house

peace

The Crusades
The Inquasition
Etc....

your're speaking hypothetical?????? ..sorry Chazster this time you can't make a door to sneak out because all belief is hypothetical... so if you or the soceity believe that 2+2=5 and claim that it is socially acceptable and need no proof to the contary then you're part of the delusion that premeates in that soceity ... in other words you're one of the insane that have taken over the asylum

10+10=100? ...wow Chazster you must be using that new math... because I always figure 10x10=100

but still the belief only exist in their minds and not beyond..it's no disagreement that the person can't have beliefs ..but just because they have beliefs doesn't means what they believe in exist as anything more than a belief




but yet people go to war over something they cannot see or that is incomprehensible to the human senses ...Jelly Beans can be seen and are comprehensible ..and there are straving people in the world that would kill you for them