Topic: self-denial
TheLonelyWalker's photo
Thu 06/12/08 03:43 PM
I am who I am, with my genes and with my life experiences. That is me.
But I need to ask myself if the being who I am is the same being that God wants me to be.
Ofcourse it is not, my human tendencies pull me or push me to the world, and take my away from my Father.
There is little I can do about my genes because those are the things which imprinted on me.
However, the way I respond to my experiences it is an open field where I can work in order to get closer to my Father.
Let's say why is it when I go to a place and I see somebody whom I don't even know, and from the beginning I have aversion towards this person. For some reason my mind or my heart is not free.
Why am I an easy prey for the worldly things? Why am I a compulsive buyer? why can't I control my anger feelings when somebody attacks my point of view? Why don't I just love those who don't think the same way I do?
All these are the things who I am, the things I have to battle everyday, so I can get closer to my Father.
Whenever I have control over myself I would be able to say with the Apostle: "It's not me the one who lives, but is Jesus who lives in me."

TLW

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Thu 06/12/08 03:47 PM
Sometimes you really can be poignant and it's refreshing to see a young man get into his heart and head, especially with regard to his relationship with God and Jesus. flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

flame1cutie's photo
Thu 06/12/08 03:53 PM
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yashafox_F4X1's photo
Thu 06/12/08 03:57 PM
Good points, LW. I have struggles like these myself. I believe the scripture you refer to is Galations 2:20: "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless, I live, yet, not I, but Christ liveth in me, for the life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me."

Great words.

Two things lately have really helped me in my walk, and perhaps they could help you. One is control of envy. Much of my anger at work stemmed from my envy of my bosses. I felt I should be a supervisor and that created a lot of personal drive and strife between me, my coworkers and my bosses. When I heard preaching taht envy was wrong, I attempted to give it up, and things became much easier for me.

The second thing (really one I learned before the envy thing) was a line my preacher used in a sermon. It's bibically based. His contention was, and is, that Christians are dead to sin. If you have something bothering you, an addiction, perhaps, as I did, you can say, I'm a Christian. I'm born again. I am dead to that. Why mess with it, and go on about your business, free from the sin that once troubled you. Yeah, you'll still face temptation and slip ups, but you can be 99.999 percent free of what ails you by claiming this promise successfully.

At any rate, it's my two cents worth and you can take it or leave it as you will. Thanks fo sharing your struggles with us. I face the same, but not as eloquently.

Geo.

anoasis's photo
Thu 06/12/08 04:07 PM
Maybe your god wants you to struggle so that the things you learn will be more meaningful to you.

When I was a child I resented it when my father made me earn things that my friends were given and tell me, "you'll appreciate it more if you work for it" but now I do understand what he was trying to do...

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TheLonelyWalker's photo
Thu 06/12/08 04:09 PM

Maybe your god wants you to struggle so that the things you learn will be more meaningful to you.

When I was a child I resented it when my father made me earn things that my friends were given and tell me, "you'll appreciate it more if you work for it" but now I do understand what he was trying to do...

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wouldee's photo
Thu 06/12/08 04:17 PM

I am who I am, with my genes and with my life experiences. That is me.
But I need to ask myself if the being who I am is the same being that God wants me to be.
Ofcourse it is not, my human tendencies pull me or push me to the world, and take my away from my Father.
There is little I can do about my genes because those are the things which imprinted on me.
However, the way I respond to my experiences it is an open field where I can work in order to get closer to my Father.
Let's say why is it when I go to a place and I see somebody whom I don't even know, and from the beginning I have aversion towards this person. For some reason my mind or my heart is not free.
Why am I an easy prey for the worldly things? Why am I a compulsive buyer? why can't I control my anger feelings when somebody attacks my point of view? Why don't I just love those who don't think the same way I do?
All these are the things who I am, the things I have to battle everyday, so I can get closer to my Father.
Whenever I have control over myself I would be able to say with the Apostle: "It's not me the one who lives, but is Jesus who lives in me."

TLW



Miguel,

Remember the passage..." Not by strength and not by might, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord." ?

Pray with importunity like the woman who pressed the unjust judge.:wink:

...without ceasing, til the change comes.love

He must come......

you must make it known by endless petition, my brother.

...endless petition.

Jesus will answer you and flood your being.

Then you will have the victory leading you.

You have the faith and the will...

use it. Assuredly, He will flood your soul with "dunamis and koinonia". Those two words do not translate well into English.:wink:

Your priest can explain these terms.

peace.

flowerforyou :heart:bigsmile


TheLonelyWalker's photo
Thu 06/12/08 04:22 PM


I am who I am, with my genes and with my life experiences. That is me.
But I need to ask myself if the being who I am is the same being that God wants me to be.
Ofcourse it is not, my human tendencies pull me or push me to the world, and take my away from my Father.
There is little I can do about my genes because those are the things which imprinted on me.
However, the way I respond to my experiences it is an open field where I can work in order to get closer to my Father.
Let's say why is it when I go to a place and I see somebody whom I don't even know, and from the beginning I have aversion towards this person. For some reason my mind or my heart is not free.
Why am I an easy prey for the worldly things? Why am I a compulsive buyer? why can't I control my anger feelings when somebody attacks my point of view? Why don't I just love those who don't think the same way I do?
All these are the things who I am, the things I have to battle everyday, so I can get closer to my Father.
Whenever I have control over myself I would be able to say with the Apostle: "It's not me the one who lives, but is Jesus who lives in me."

TLW



Miguel,

Remember the passage..." Not by strength and not by might, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord." ?

Pray with importunity like the woman who pressed the unjust judge.:wink:

...without ceasing, til the change comes.love

He must come......

you must make it known by endless petition, my brother.

...endless petition.

Jesus will answer you and flood your being.

Then you will have the victory leading you.

You have the faith and the will...

use it. Assuredly, He will flood your soul with "dunamis and koinonia". Those two words do not translate well into English.:wink:

Your priest can explain these terms.

peace.

flowerforyou :heart:bigsmile



i know what is koinonia

wouldee's photo
Thu 06/12/08 04:27 PM
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Abracadabra's photo
Thu 06/12/08 04:38 PM

All these are the things who I am, the things I have to battle everyday, so I can get closer to my Father.


Why do you feel that those are the things "who you are"?

Are those the things that you want to be?

If not, then why do you say they are the things "who you are"?

If you're not living up to being the person you want to be, then you are failing yourself. No one else.

Whenever I have control over myself I would be able to say with the Apostle: "It's not me the one who lives, but is Jesus who lives in me."


Again, what's wrong with you?

Why do you feel a need to belittle yourself to the point where you consider yourself to be so insignificant that someone else should need to come and take over for you?

I'm serious Miguel. I don't understand this point of view at all. If someone else has to live your life for you doesn't that mean that you failed to meet the challenge?

What good would it be for God if he had to go into everyone's life and run the show for them? What would anyone gain from that? What would God gain from that?

What would you gain from that? A free ride though life? Someone else is living your life for you?

I don't understand what the point to it would be.

It seems to me that if a God created you he would want you to learn to how to stand on your own two feet. If he has to carry you all the time what's the point to it?

I seriously don't understand who would benefit from this kind of arrangement.

I don't understand how it would be beneficial for either you or God.

Instead of expecting God to live your life for you, why not just live up to your own expectations of your own self?

You can do it. I'm sure of that. So why not just do it?

You entitled the thread "self-denial". From my point of view that's precisely what you've described in the OP.


TheLonelyWalker's photo
Thu 06/12/08 04:55 PM
Edited by TheLonelyWalker on Thu 06/12/08 04:56 PM


All these are the things who I am, the things I have to battle everyday, so I can get closer to my Father.


Why do you feel that those are the things "who you are"?

Are those the things that you want to be?

If not, then why do you say they are the things "who you are"?

If you're not living up to being the person you want to be, then you are failing yourself. No one else.

Whenever I have control over myself I would be able to say with the Apostle: "It's not me the one who lives, but is Jesus who lives in me."


Again, what's wrong with you?

Why do you feel a need to belittle yourself to the point where you consider yourself to be so insignificant that someone else should need to come and take over for you?

I'm serious Miguel. I don't understand this point of view at all. If someone else has to live your life for you doesn't that mean that you failed to meet the challenge?

What good would it be for God if he had to go into everyone's life and run the show for them? What would anyone gain from that? What would God gain from that?

What would you gain from that? A free ride though life? Someone else is living your life for you?

I don't understand what the point to it would be.

It seems to me that if a God created you he would want you to learn to how to stand on your own two feet. If he has to carry you all the time what's the point to it?

I seriously don't understand who would benefit from this kind of arrangement.

I don't understand how it would be beneficial for either you or God.

Instead of expecting God to live your life for you, why not just live up to your own expectations of your own self?

You can do it. I'm sure of that. So why not just do it?

You entitled the thread "self-denial". From my point of view that's precisely what you've described in the OP.



my dear and loved friend, with all due respect If you don't understand my Lord the way I do. I won't be able to answer any of your questions.
Which is a dualism between God and man because I deeply believe and without any doubt that in my Lord the human nature and the divine nature comes to one thing.
You would never understand my position and why I wrote what I wrote.
My final end is diminish the person who I am to let my Lord be seeing through me.
My final end is just to be a mere instrument or tool for the construction of the Kingdom of Heaven. It's not for me, it's for the Glory of my Heavenly Daddy.
For this to happen the worldly man I am has to die, so the man that my Father wants me to be can live.
flowerforyou

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Thu 06/12/08 05:02 PM
Am I pretty?flowerforyou

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Thu 06/12/08 05:44 PM



All these are the things who I am, the things I have to battle everyday, so I can get closer to my Father.


Why do you feel that those are the things "who you are"?

Are those the things that you want to be?

If not, then why do you say they are the things "who you are"?

If you're not living up to being the person you want to be, then you are failing yourself. No one else.

Whenever I have control over myself I would be able to say with the Apostle: "It's not me the one who lives, but is Jesus who lives in me."


Again, what's wrong with you?

Why do you feel a need to belittle yourself to the point where you consider yourself to be so insignificant that someone else should need to come and take over for you?

I'm serious Miguel. I don't understand this point of view at all. If someone else has to live your life for you doesn't that mean that you failed to meet the challenge?

What good would it be for God if he had to go into everyone's life and run the show for them? What would anyone gain from that? What would God gain from that?

What would you gain from that? A free ride though life? Someone else is living your life for you?

I don't understand what the point to it would be.

It seems to me that if a God created you he would want you to learn to how to stand on your own two feet. If he has to carry you all the time what's the point to it?

I seriously don't understand who would benefit from this kind of arrangement.

I don't understand how it would be beneficial for either you or God.

Instead of expecting God to live your life for you, why not just live up to your own expectations of your own self?

You can do it. I'm sure of that. So why not just do it?

You entitled the thread "self-denial". From my point of view that's precisely what you've described in the OP.



my dear and loved friend, with all due respect If you don't understand my Lord the way I do. I won't be able to answer any of your questions.
Which is a dualism between God and man because I deeply believe and without any doubt that in my Lord the human nature and the divine nature comes to one thing.
You would never understand my position and why I wrote what I wrote.
My final end is diminish the person who I am to let my Lord be seeing through me.
My final end is just to be a mere instrument or tool for the construction of the Kingdom of Heaven. It's not for me, it's for the Glory of my Heavenly Daddy.
For this to happen the worldly man I am has to die, so the man that my Father wants me to be can live.
flowerforyou


Beautifully stated. :heart: flowerforyou
I struggle with my pride and humanity everyday. Every Christian does. In addition we do not do this because He demands it, we do it because we love him. In return for that death of self, we live in Him. "Better is one day in his courts than a thousand elsewhere"

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 06/12/08 11:01 PM
You would never understand my position and why I wrote what I wrote.


Someday perhaps you will understand why I wrote what I wrote.

I'll give you a hint,... I didn't write it for my sake. bigsmile

All of my questions were rhetorical. I already know the answers. flowerforyou

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Fri 06/13/08 11:49 AM

You would never understand my position and why I wrote what I wrote.


Someday perhaps you will understand why I wrote what I wrote.

I'll give you a hint,... I didn't write it for my sake. bigsmile

All of my questions were rhetorical. I already know the answers. flowerforyou

you know the answers, yet you don't understand them.