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Topic: What if the Bible wasn't the most popular book?
Belushi's photo
Fri 06/20/08 08:35 PM

Perhaps a even better question. Does the bible teach tolerance to other religious belief systems? I mean is there a phrase in this book that says "One who doesn't believe is still loved and accepted in Gods hands and can still live in eternal happiness when you pass away?"




The Bible doesnt teach tolerance at all.
On the contrary. It is a book that inspires sexual harassment, child murder, rape and slavery.

It condones mass murder and is racially intolerant.

If it was written today, it would be outlawed.

adj4u's photo
Fri 06/20/08 08:43 PM

The nonprofit American Bible Society has, in more than 180 years of its existence, distributed more Bibles than there are people in the world—some 8.5 billion. The British and Foreign Bible Society has distributed several billion more in dozens of languages.

More than 100 million new Bibles, reflecting numerous translations, are sold or given away freely every year. Translations exist in more than 2,000 languages and dialects.

This is amazing statistics!

I don't think any book in the world is translated in so many languages including given away or sold in such masses per year!

My questions:

How much would history be effected if we started in the year 1000 until today 2008 that a book of a different religion or belief system would have been the most sold, translated, and distributed across the world.

or

What would it be like if not a single religious book would have been distributed in this time frame?

Would there have been crusades?

Would there be tensions in the Middle East today?

Would there have been WW2?

Would there have been less wars in general?

Would there have been more advancements in technology and living standards in general?

or

Would there have been more wars then usual?

Would there have been more problems in general?

If I may ask you one favor while answering these questions to please not discriminate a religious belief or to bash someone for their answer to these questions. I know it may be hard to do perhaps but at least try. thank you!

I say this for if you were drowning and are in need of assistance, I would regardless of your belief system try to save you. Let us treat each other the same way here on the forum. Thank you!


John:smile:









if the bible is nonprofit why is there a copyright in it

just a thought


but hey

what do i know

tribo's photo
Fri 06/20/08 09:21 PM
Edited by tribo on Fri 06/20/08 09:22 PM
adj4u: quote:

if the bible is nonprofit why is there a copyright in it

just a thought


but hey

what do i know--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


tribo:


it's a warning to anyone who plan's on copying it to do it right, not to make mistakes - this came about because of all the mistakes that have already creeped in over the last 2000 years - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOT!!! laugh laugh laugh

no photo
Fri 06/20/08 10:06 PM

adj4u: quote:

if the bible is nonprofit why is there a copyright in it

just a thought


but hey

what do i know--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


tribo:


it's a warning to anyone who plan's on copying it to do it right, not to make mistakes - this came about because of all the mistakes that have already creeped in over the last 2000 years - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOT!!! laugh laugh laugh


So who owns the copyright... god? laugh laugh laugh

tribo's photo
Fri 06/20/08 10:38 PM


adj4u: quote:

if the bible is nonprofit why is there a copyright in it

just a thought


but hey

what do i know--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


tribo:


it's a warning to anyone who plan's on copying it to do it right, not to make mistakes - this came about because of all the mistakes that have already creeped in over the last 2000 years - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOT!!! laugh laugh laugh


So who owns the copyright... god? laugh laugh laugh


no if god owned it - it would be called a "godyright"

adj4u's photo
Sat 06/21/08 12:19 AM
Edited by adj4u on Sat 06/21/08 12:22 AM


adj4u: quote:

if the bible is nonprofit why is there a copyright in it

just a thought


but hey

what do i know--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


tribo:


it's a warning to anyone who plan's on copying it to do it right, not to make mistakes - this came about because of all the mistakes that have already creeped in over the last 2000 years - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOT!!! laugh laugh laugh


So who owns the copyright... god? laugh laugh laugh


well i guess you can open it up and read the copyright and find out (duh)

it is usually on one of the first 4 left hand pages

Britty's photo
Sat 06/21/08 02:13 AM
Edited by Britty on Sat 06/21/08 02:15 AM
Tribo wrote earlier:

john, - if we study reigious history one thing that comes forward is that as long as man has been here and most likely before written language was used, there have been law's. Law's go hand and hand with religion. They also go hand and hand without religion.The mere fact that law's have been with man since earliest times in some form, Speak's to man's inability to get along together. So as for me i would have to say as long as we inhabit this flesh, everything that is considered "not good or evil" has, is, and will continue to be "mankind as usual" - just as those thing found to be good or loving etc., will be expressed also. When dealing with "mankind", we are dealing with an entity that is so ego centered he rarely takes time to stop and take a look at "who or what" he really is. And until he does i hold out little hope that he will morally evolve into a "better" species.


This pretty much summed up what I was thinking as I starting to read this thread.

I think history in general reveals this to us.


Quikstepper's photo
Sat 06/21/08 06:12 AM

If the Bible wasn't on earth, we wouldn't have God's word to guide us and the scripture for inspiration and teaching.

Neglect of God's word causes spiritual starvation and trouble personally and nationally. The decline of the perceived importance of the word is nothing short of a national tragedy and is responsible for much of the immorality we see currently.

Isaiah 55:11 says "So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth, it will not return to me void. It will accomplish what I please and it will prosper in that for which I have sent it."

The fact is that God's word does exist. We are fortunate in this day and age when we can own a copy of it for very little money. A couple hundred years ago, a hand copied copy of the Bible would be just about priceless. Now, we can have a copy of God's word for $25 or less.

Will you read this fascinating book? Will you take it to heart? Or, will you ignore it. If you pick up the word of God you will find conviction and knowledge such as is found in no other book. I will guarantee you that.

JMO.

Geo.


Actually many here are correct... unless it's God breathed into a man, it's just another book.

Here's a challenge to ALL.... EVERYONE!

Go into God's word...and wherever you recognize your own unbelief in His word ask Him to bring you into agreement WITH HIM on it.

See what kind of response you get... Will you do that?

Rathil_Thads's photo
Sat 06/21/08 06:23 AM


If the Bible wasn't on earth, we wouldn't have God's word to guide us and the scripture for inspiration and teaching.

Neglect of God's word causes spiritual starvation and trouble personally and nationally. The decline of the perceived importance of the word is nothing short of a national tragedy and is responsible for much of the immorality we see currently.

Isaiah 55:11 says "So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth, it will not return to me void. It will accomplish what I please and it will prosper in that for which I have sent it."

The fact is that God's word does exist. We are fortunate in this day and age when we can own a copy of it for very little money. A couple hundred years ago, a hand copied copy of the Bible would be just about priceless. Now, we can have a copy of God's word for $25 or less.

Will you read this fascinating book? Will you take it to heart? Or, will you ignore it. If you pick up the word of God you will find conviction and knowledge such as is found in no other book. I will guarantee you that.

JMO.

Geo.


Actually many here are correct... unless it's God breathed into a man, it's just another book.

Here's a challenge to ALL.... EVERYONE!

Go into God's word...and wherever you recognize your own unbelief in His word ask Him to bring you into agreement WITH HIM on it.

See what kind of response you get... Will you do that?



I am confused what you mean by that statement. "Whenever I recognize my own unbelief in his word to ask him to bring me into agreement WITH HIM on it??"

What exactly do you mean by that? Cause to me it sounds like you are saying that if I don't believe what I am reading because there is something about it that is just illogical or just hard to grasp that I should just ask God to make me believe in the illogicalness of it. Basically close my eyes to what makes sense and just trust Gods word.

I could totally be reading that wrong but that's my understanding to what you are saying. So if I am wrong please correct me. That comment really did confuse me a bit.

Quikstepper's photo
Sat 06/21/08 06:30 AM



If the Bible wasn't on earth, we wouldn't have God's word to guide us and the scripture for inspiration and teaching.

Neglect of God's word causes spiritual starvation and trouble personally and nationally. The decline of the perceived importance of the word is nothing short of a national tragedy and is responsible for much of the immorality we see currently.

Isaiah 55:11 says "So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth, it will not return to me void. It will accomplish what I please and it will prosper in that for which I have sent it."

The fact is that God's word does exist. We are fortunate in this day and age when we can own a copy of it for very little money. A couple hundred years ago, a hand copied copy of the Bible would be just about priceless. Now, we can have a copy of God's word for $25 or less.

Will you read this fascinating book? Will you take it to heart? Or, will you ignore it. If you pick up the word of God you will find conviction and knowledge such as is found in no other book. I will guarantee you that.

JMO.

Geo.


Actually many here are correct... unless it's God breathed into a man, it's just another book.

Here's a challenge to ALL.... EVERYONE!

Go into God's word...and wherever you recognize your own unbelief in His word ask Him to bring you into agreement WITH HIM on it.

See what kind of response you get... Will you do that?



I am confused what you mean by that statement. "Whenever I recognize my own unbelief in his word to ask him to bring me into agreement WITH HIM on it??"

What exactly do you mean by that? Cause to me it sounds like you are saying that if I don't believe what I am reading because there is something about it that is just illogical or just hard to grasp that I should just ask God to make me believe in the illogicalness of it. Basically close my eyes to what makes sense and just trust Gods word.

I could totally be reading that wrong but that's my understanding to what you are saying. So if I am wrong please correct me. That comment really did confuse me a bit.


OK... For example....God's word says I am beautifully & wonderfully made in His image...

If I find myself in disagreement with that I will say God...bring me into agreement with what Your word is saying to me. I want to be in agreement with you God.

God helps us with our own unbelief... it's true too. If we confess it. Now before you go on about illogical things, remember this, Jesus healed the sick & raised the dead by FAITH in His Father in Heaven. Jesus was subject to many things for our sake.

As I said...the Bible is just another book unless it is God breathed into a person.

Are you going to try it?

Rathil_Thads's photo
Sat 06/21/08 06:36 AM




If the Bible wasn't on earth, we wouldn't have God's word to guide us and the scripture for inspiration and teaching.

Neglect of God's word causes spiritual starvation and trouble personally and nationally. The decline of the perceived importance of the word is nothing short of a national tragedy and is responsible for much of the immorality we see currently.

Isaiah 55:11 says "So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth, it will not return to me void. It will accomplish what I please and it will prosper in that for which I have sent it."

The fact is that God's word does exist. We are fortunate in this day and age when we can own a copy of it for very little money. A couple hundred years ago, a hand copied copy of the Bible would be just about priceless. Now, we can have a copy of God's word for $25 or less.

Will you read this fascinating book? Will you take it to heart? Or, will you ignore it. If you pick up the word of God you will find conviction and knowledge such as is found in no other book. I will guarantee you that.

JMO.

Geo.


Actually many here are correct... unless it's God breathed into a man, it's just another book.

Here's a challenge to ALL.... EVERYONE!

Go into God's word...and wherever you recognize your own unbelief in His word ask Him to bring you into agreement WITH HIM on it.

See what kind of response you get... Will you do that?



I am confused what you mean by that statement. "Whenever I recognize my own unbelief in his word to ask him to bring me into agreement WITH HIM on it??"

What exactly do you mean by that? Cause to me it sounds like you are saying that if I don't believe what I am reading because there is something about it that is just illogical or just hard to grasp that I should just ask God to make me believe in the illogicalness of it. Basically close my eyes to what makes sense and just trust Gods word.

I could totally be reading that wrong but that's my understanding to what you are saying. So if I am wrong please correct me. That comment really did confuse me a bit.


OK... For example....God's word says I am beautifully & wonderfully made in His image...

If I find myself in disagreement with that I will say God...bring me into agreement with what Your word is saying to me. I want to be in agreement with you God.

God helps us with our own unbelief... it's true too. If we confess it. Now before you go on about illogical things, remember this, Jesus healed the sick & raised the dead by FAITH in His Father in Heaven. Jesus was subject to many things for our sake.

As I said...the Bible is just another book unless it is God breathed into a person.

Are you going to try it?


Sure, I will try it. I have been meaning to go back and reread a few passages of the Bible and brush up on a few things as there have been a few threads I wasn't able to comment on because of my lack of remembering as much as I would have liked too. So while I am rereading the parts I need too I will see if I can be brought into agreement with it. I love experiments.

tribo's photo
Sat 06/21/08 11:07 AM


If the Bible wasn't on earth, we wouldn't have God's word to guide us and the scripture for inspiration and teaching.

Neglect of God's word causes spiritual starvation and trouble personally and nationally. The decline of the perceived importance of the word is nothing short of a national tragedy and is responsible for much of the immorality we see currently.

Isaiah 55:11 says "So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth, it will not return to me void. It will accomplish what I please and it will prosper in that for which I have sent it."

The fact is that God's word does exist. We are fortunate in this day and age when we can own a copy of it for very little money. A couple hundred years ago, a hand copied copy of the Bible would be just about priceless. Now, we can have a copy of God's word for $25 or less.

Will you read this fascinating book? Will you take it to heart? Or, will you ignore it. If you pick up the word of God you will find conviction and knowledge such as is found in no other book. I will guarantee you that.

JMO.

Geo.


Actually many here are correct... unless it's God breathed into a man, it's just another book.

Here's a challenge to ALL.... EVERYONE!

Go into God's word...and wherever you recognize your own unbelief in His word ask Him to bring you into agreement WITH HIM on it.

See what kind of response you get... Will you do that?


QS:

if that worked i'd still be a beliver - it didn't - your not the only one to suggest this i heard this all my christian life - even had prayer meeting's about it, hand's layed on me - and other, it may work for you and other's but i've come across many who have traveled the same or simiar path as me - who could and have stated the same - and "truly" at one time were god fearing bible thumping defenders of the faith they had then, your god showed me the "truth" - that's why i'm no longer one of you. That i can thank the bible and your belief's for.flowerforyou

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