Thanks Jeannie for getting back to my OP.

Just based on the knowledge I have, the bible is a work of fiction with some real events and places.

Note: she is a he....

Sorry, it was hard to tell he from she with kitty cats. Besides the kitty wore a swimming cap, so it looked like a she to me.

While the sex of the kitty might be questionable, the sex of the OP definitely is not!

Jeannie..Yes... I am SURE...remember...we Christians KNOW.

Like Sharpshooter said, Jesus is God Manifest in the Flesh.

Love You Jeannie....Love You All...

And you already know
my heart's cry for you all .....and that is....that You ALL Will One day ... KNOW Jesus too....

My name is Conrad from Jamaica, and i am one of Jehovaha's Witnesses.
I am not here to tell you to join us, i am here to voice my opinion from biblical conviction and beliefs.

Is Jesus God? That is an interesting question which most persons still ask today, even if they belong to a religion, and i most certainly that many pastors and revs are asking themselves, Is Jesus God?

According to NWTJohn 17:3 Jesus noted in his prayer to his father Jehovah, (Quote:This means eternal life, their taking in knowledge of, THE ONLY TRUE GOD. End of Quote)
Jesus was here giving glory to his father and wosrhiping him as his God.

Hebrews 9:24: Says that Jesus went before the person of GOD (Jehovah)

Colossians 1:15: Refferes to Jesus as the image of the invisible GOD.

You said it your self, that the bible is confusing, many peolpe say and agree with that, i want to bring you back to the days when parents would knock us to resite the "LORD'S PRAYER"

If you can remember it clearly, please look at these first words: (QUOTE MATTHEW 6:9: OUR FATHER IN THE HEAVENS..." End of Quote)

Jesus is always praying, and when he does, who or what was he praying to? Most certainly, not himself.

I am saying that NO Jesus id not God. John 7:16-18

Yes, Jesus Christ is God, though He is not the Father.

I'm a Trinitarian, and I believe that the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit are all God (Yahweh).

Jesus Christ is identified as Lord and Savior. It would be impossible for Him to be Lord of lords and King of kings if He were not God. It would be impossible for Him to be Savior if He were not God.

There are not two gods, and there are not three gods. There is only one God, and He is triune. The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all the same God.

There are several verses that I use to back Jesus' deity up, specifically:
John 1:1-3 and John 1:14 NASB
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 8:58
58Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

2 Peter 1:1
1Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

Jude 1:4
4For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Titus 2:13-14
13looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

Hebrews 1:8
8But of the Son He says,
"YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Colossians 1:15-20
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.

17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Colossians 2:9
9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Isaiah 9:6
6For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Zechariah 12:10
10"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

Revelation 1:7-8
7BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

8"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Revelation 1:12-18
12Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; 13and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. 14His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.


There are more verses I could use...but this should show how Trinitarians support our viewpoint.

Something that confuses me.

If god, Jesus and the holy spirit are all one and the same, what is the purpose for the use of three different "names". It seems to me that the consistent use of a single "name" would avoid a whole boatload of confusion and disagreement. Whereas I don't see any benefits that the Triune brings to the table to outweight those problems.

Because although the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same God, they are still different persons. Jesus is not the Father, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. The Father is not the Holy Spirit and the Father is not Jesus.

The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all have personhood.

And there is a single name that you can call the whole triune God -- Yahweh, or as some people prefer, Jehovah.

Yahweh = the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit...one God in three persons.

I've heard that explanation as to the makeup of god. And I don't understand that either because the use of the term "person" desn't make any sense to me in that context. However, although it is related, that was not really what I was trying to find out.

What I'm interested in is WHY god would find it necessary to manifest as three different persons. If it made it easier for humans to understand his nature, it would make sense. But it seems to me that it just makes things more complex and difficult to understand - as demonstrated by my own confusion on the matter.

So what is the benefit in manifesting as three different persons? Why would he do that? What is the purpose behind it?

(I'm hoping the answer to this will help me better understand the "person" issue.)

if Jesus is God then that fact in itself disproves Christianity ..since only God can take a life and if Jesus is God then only Jesus as God could have taken his own life which would mean that Jesus committed suicide and didn't die for anyone sins which is what Christianity is based on

that Jesus is God was an attempt to change the religion into a philosophy and replace the fire and brimstone unseen unreachable God of the Old Testament with a reachable more seemingly sympathic human as God called Jesus Christ ..

Jesus as God is little more than "New Age Pantheism" ..the movement to proclaim Man as God by turning a human called Jesus Christ into a God ..other so called human Gods are the dali lama Buddha and Elvis Presley

it's clear that Jesus if anything was the son of God and God clearly said do not worship any other God besides him so those that worship Jesus as God is in violation of God's law

Funches - was Ted Bundy executed, or did he commit suicide?

and "Eljay" do you believe that if Ted Bundy had the power that Jesus supposely had that he would have let anyone execute him or that he would have committed suicide

if you are going to give an example it's best to place it on an even keel

Is there a xtian that could deny that, according to your bible, Jesus is the one and only same personage as the God of the Old Testament?

Did Jesus condemm ANY of his father's massacres?
No.

In Matt 5:48 he says "Be ye therefore perfect, even as I or your Father in Heaven is perfect."

Do you think Jesus would have questioned any of his father's actions, like the many acts of genocide that litter the pages of the Old Testament?
No.

Remember what Jesus said when he gave the Lord's Prayer to his followers- "Our Father who art in heaven... thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

Do you think Jesus would have ever disobeyed his father's commands, like when he ordered that his servants should "kill everyone that breathes" upon their entry to the Promised Land?
No.

In John chapter 10 verse 30, Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." Jesus would have been swinging a sword, hacking nonviolent men, women and children to death, right along side of Joshua and his armies of Israelites! Imagine that. Jesus, the Prince of Peace, splitting a child in two with his blood-drenched sword.

In John 1:1, we read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

In verse 14, we read: "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." We are told explicitly that Jesus Christ IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

You probably already accept this.

But, logical extension, you must also accept therefore that;
- it was Jesus Christ who ordered the Israelites to slaughter millions of defenseless men, women and children in the conquest of Canaan,
- it was Jesus Christ who killed every firstborn child in Egypt,
- it was Jesus Christ who ordered king Saul to butcher thousands of children and babies in the genocide of the Amalakites,
- it was Jesus Christ who ordered the Israellites to capture and mass-rape 32,000 young girls of the Midianite tribe, after killing their families,
- it was Jesus Christ who struck dead 50,000 innocent people at Beshemish for merely LOOKING at the ark of the covenant,
- it was Jesus Christ who caused the painful asphixiation of every man, woman, child and animal on the face of the earth during the flood of Noah, and
- it was Jesus Christ who condemmed every person ever born to a state of eternal suffering, all because 6000 years ago a curious and naive woman ate a piece of fruit.

Good point. The scriptures read, "Vengeance is mine sayeth Lord surely I will repay." In the Old Testament. In the New Testament Jesus says something similar in the New Testament. "Peace, I come not to bring peace but a sword." To me these two verses bring about a new question and that is could vengeance ever thought of as being a divine thing?

To the OP.

God is all things...

therefore Jesus was God.

As are you.

I agree with funches.