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6) The true prophet's message always comes true.   why is that funny? Can you name me any prophet thats message has came true? I was agreeing with the statement because none of it has ever come true. Unless you were trying to say that there has been a prophecy that has come true in which case I would disagree. 
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I have studied Nostradamus.
I see a lot of lies said about him. He was a healer and when other dr were running from the Plague he basically by himself stopped it.. Losing his wife and child in the process. He healed and made medicine by using scriptural laws. His parents were jews and converted alot of jews did to keep from being killed. Yet they still kept thier heritage. most prophets are killed for good works. The people in charge are threatened by them. He had a whole library of books at his house that he lived in the country 1st. we are mainly told he lived in town. Niether are we told that while he was healing the plague rome had his house and all his books burnt. we do not understand his writings as his prophecies could get him killed real easy. If you through out the junk and that has been passed down by the church and look at how he treated people and how he risked his life not caring for his own. Then he becomes a very Honorable man. To say he is a false prophet know body knows. To look at what he did do for humanity. Then he is very special.. Blessings of Shalom...Miles |
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A Jewish historic website. Are you disputing its validity simply because you can offer no explanation? The Hebrews were sticklers for the details and kept excellent records. They were not simply going to accept any Tom, ****, or Harry as their Messiah. Can you blame them? I haven't disputed anything. I was just asking where you get your information. Have you bothered to read the old testament to find out what it says about the validity of those claims? I have been quoting from the OT. Why would I believe what the bible has to say about Jesus? The Jews had their own set of criteria and Jesus failed to live up to their expectations. End of story. If they had changed their mind, there would be no Jewish faith so obviously they still consider him a fraud. Can you offer any reasons for these issues that the Jews had? You are sidestepping. You do not dispute their validity and that would be an exercise in futility as I can only begin adding more and more information. |
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You know a lot of biblical passages to completly doubt about the existence of any TRUE prophets.
I was just trying to establish some guidelines in defining any current day prophets. and any past day prophets. |
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A Jewish historic website. Are you disputing its validity simply because you can offer no explanation? The Hebrews were sticklers for the details and kept excellent records. They were not simply going to accept any Tom, ****, or Harry as their Messiah. Can you blame them? There are a lot of people who claim to have excellent records and such, about the Civil War, and yet there are many different so called historians that don't know the real cause of the Civil War, and have changed quite a bit of what actually happened. Most of what is written is based solely on opinion, not from people who were actually there, but from people who wanted things to be different so looked for evidence of what they wanted to believe. After all these years, could it not be possible that those Hebrews who run this site are doing the same way. Their info is from others who had it passed down from generation to generation. It all was passed down from someone who chose to reject Christ. Their info is not coming from someone who is neutral. It is from someone who was biased, when they passed it on, with that same biased. My sources, the Bible, which is just as reliable, alot more reliable, all find that Jesus meets all of the propehcies to be the Messiah, every one of them. The chances of that are out of this world for one man to meet them all. As for the personal qualifications. What personal qualifications? Whose personal qualifications? Gods, the Hebrew Priests? The only qualifications that matter are God's, and the prophecies are those qualifications. What mistranslations are we talking about? Are we talking about the New Testament? The Hebrews don't even acknowledge the New Test. as part of the Bible, so of course they will say that. What does a national revelation have to do with it? What revelation are you talking about? |
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A Jewish historic website. Are you disputing its validity simply because you can offer no explanation? The Hebrews were sticklers for the details and kept excellent records. They were not simply going to accept any Tom, ****, or Harry as their Messiah. Can you blame them? I haven't disputed anything. I was just asking where you get your information. Have you bothered to read the old testament to find out what it says about the validity of those claims? I have been quoting from the OT. Why would I believe what the bible has to say about Jesus? The Jews had their own set of criteria and Jesus failed to live up to their expectations. End of story. If they had changed their mind, there would be no Jewish faith so obviously they still consider him a fraud. Can you offer any reasons for these issues that the Jews had? You are sidestepping. You do not dispute their validity and that would be an exercise in futility as I can only begin adding more and more information. Thier is a puzzling part of this in the jews. They say he lied he was not the Messiah. Then in the same breathe they claim him as a prophet. now if they truely believed he was a fraud, why would they still claim him as a prophet like Isaiah or Jeremiah? Shalom...Miles |
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You know a lot of biblical passages to completly doubt about the existence of any TRUE prophets. I was just trying to establish some guidelines in defining any current day prophets. and any past day prophets. Well Im glad you seem to perceive me as some biblical scholar but the truth is the crap just annoys me. So you have established some kind of guidelines to your own satisfaction for defining a "real prophet" from a "fake prophet". Im just telling you I have yet to find an individual who can accurately predict the future 100% of the time, thus a true prophet. The closest I have experienced is a Pagan Palm Reader. |
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A Jewish historic website. Are you disputing its validity simply because you can offer no explanation? The Hebrews were sticklers for the details and kept excellent records. They were not simply going to accept any Tom, ****, or Harry as their Messiah. Can you blame them? I haven't disputed anything. I was just asking where you get your information. Have you bothered to read the old testament to find out what it says about the validity of those claims? I have been quoting from the OT. Why would I believe what the bible has to say about Jesus? The Jews had their own set of criteria and Jesus failed to live up to their expectations. End of story. If they had changed their mind, there would be no Jewish faith so obviously they still consider him a fraud. Can you offer any reasons for these issues that the Jews had? You are sidestepping. You do not dispute their validity and that would be an exercise in futility as I can only begin adding more and more information. Thier is a puzzling part of this in the jews. They say he lied he was not the Messiah. Then in the same breathe they claim him as a prophet. now if they truely believed he was a fraud, why would they still claim him as a prophet like Isaiah or Jeremiah? Shalom...Miles The fact remains, they did not accept him as Messiah. If they had, they would have abandoned their faith for Christianity. Judaism remains one of the three largest established Mediterranean based religions. |
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A Jewish historic website. Are you disputing its validity simply because you can offer no explanation? The Hebrews were sticklers for the details and kept excellent records. They were not simply going to accept any Tom, ****, or Harry as their Messiah. Can you blame them? I haven't disputed anything. I was just asking where you get your information. Have you bothered to read the old testament to find out what it says about the validity of those claims? I have been quoting from the OT. Why would I believe what the bible has to say about Jesus? The Jews had their own set of criteria and Jesus failed to live up to their expectations. End of story. If they had changed their mind, there would be no Jewish faith so obviously they still consider him a fraud. Can you offer any reasons for these issues that the Jews had? You are sidestepping. You do not dispute their validity and that would be an exercise in futility as I can only begin adding more and more information. I am not sidestepping anything. Just asking for clarification. You can add all you want, but unless it is in the Bible, and can be proven there, it doesn't matter what you add. I could care less. As long as I know the TRUTH in my heart it is a moot point. It's you I feel sorry for. You like the Hebrews, are choosing to turn your back on God and His Son. You also have to look at the New Testament to get the complete picture. Yes the Jews do have a different set of criteria. Of course He did not meet their expectations. They want a King to come riding in on a white horse and take over the world. What they got was a gentle, compassionate man who taught love before anything else. That is also why after the death and resurrection of Jesus, the disciples were sent out into the Gentile world to spread the Gospel. The Jews had a chance and blew it. As far as their expectations, those are all man's expectations, made up from what they wanted in a Messiah, not God's idea of what the Messiah was supposed to be. They will get another chance. But that is in the future. |
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A Jewish historic website. Are you disputing its validity simply because you can offer no explanation? The Hebrews were sticklers for the details and kept excellent records. They were not simply going to accept any Tom, ****, or Harry as their Messiah. Can you blame them? There are a lot of people who claim to have excellent records and such, about the Civil War, and yet there are many different so called historians that don't know the real cause of the Civil War, and have changed quite a bit of what actually happened. Most of what is written is based solely on opinion, not from people who were actually there, but from people who wanted things to be different so looked for evidence of what they wanted to believe. After all these years, could it not be possible that those Hebrews who run this site are doing the same way. Their info is from others who had it passed down from generation to generation. It all was passed down from someone who chose to reject Christ. Their info is not coming from someone who is neutral. It is from someone who was biased, when they passed it on, with that same biased. My sources, the Bible, which is just as reliable, alot more reliable, all find that Jesus meets all of the propehcies to be the Messiah, every one of them. The chances of that are out of this world for one man to meet them all. As for the personal qualifications. What personal qualifications? Whose personal qualifications? Gods, the Hebrew Priests? The only qualifications that matter are God's, and the prophecies are those qualifications. What mistranslations are we talking about? Are we talking about the New Testament? The Hebrews don't even acknowledge the New Test. as part of the Bible, so of course they will say that. What does a national revelation have to do with it? What revelation are you talking about? So now you are ONLY going to use the bible to authenticate Jesus as Messiah? Answer this question for me. Why do we still have Judaism and Christianity today? Why not only Christianity if everything lined up and the Jews were willing to accept Jesus? That should be easy enough for you to answer right? Since you seem to now feel that the Jews have no reason to not accept Jesus as Messiah yet they still continue to refer to him as fraud. |
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You know a lot of biblical passages to completly doubt about the existence of any TRUE prophets. I was just trying to establish some guidelines in defining any current day prophets. and any past day prophets. Well Im glad you seem to perceive me as some biblical scholar but the truth is the crap just annoys me. So you have established some kind of guidelines to your own satisfaction for defining a "real prophet" from a "fake prophet". Im just telling you I have yet to find an individual who can accurately predict the future 100% of the time, thus a true prophet. The closest I have experienced is a Pagan Palm Reader. to be online quoting any scripture instead of talking about nonsense...means that obviously you study it. does that not make you a scholar of sorts? and yes I think those guidlines are decent guidlines to go by. when looking for true prophets. 
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You know a lot of biblical passages to completly doubt about the existence of any TRUE prophets. I was just trying to establish some guidelines in defining any current day prophets. and any past day prophets. Well Im glad you seem to perceive me as some biblical scholar but the truth is the crap just annoys me. So you have established some kind of guidelines to your own satisfaction for defining a "real prophet" from a "fake prophet". Im just telling you I have yet to find an individual who can accurately predict the future 100% of the time, thus a true prophet. The closest I have experienced is a Pagan Palm Reader. If you are just annoyed why bother with any of this at all? There is a big difference between a prophet and a fortune teller. If you look at the prophets in the OT, they didn't predict for every space in time. They only had one part that they were responsible for, and that part came true 100% of the time. There has never been a prophet that predicts anything, they simply tell what God has said will happen if they didn't straighten up their act. |
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A Jewish historic website. Are you disputing its validity simply because you can offer no explanation? The Hebrews were sticklers for the details and kept excellent records. They were not simply going to accept any Tom, ****, or Harry as their Messiah. Can you blame them? I haven't disputed anything. I was just asking where you get your information. Have you bothered to read the old testament to find out what it says about the validity of those claims? I have been quoting from the OT. Why would I believe what the bible has to say about Jesus? The Jews had their own set of criteria and Jesus failed to live up to their expectations. End of story. If they had changed their mind, there would be no Jewish faith so obviously they still consider him a fraud. Can you offer any reasons for these issues that the Jews had? You are sidestepping. You do not dispute their validity and that would be an exercise in futility as I can only begin adding more and more information. I am not sidestepping anything. Just asking for clarification. You can add all you want, but unless it is in the Bible, and can be proven there, it doesn't matter what you add. I could care less. As long as I know the TRUTH in my heart it is a moot point. It's you I feel sorry for. You like the Hebrews, are choosing to turn your back on God and His Son. You also have to look at the New Testament to get the complete picture. Yes the Jews do have a different set of criteria. Of course He did not meet their expectations. They want a King to come riding in on a white horse and take over the world. What they got was a gentle, compassionate man who taught love before anything else. That is also why after the death and resurrection of Jesus, the disciples were sent out into the Gentile world to spread the Gospel. The Jews had a chance and blew it. As far as their expectations, those are all man's expectations, made up from what they wanted in a Messiah, not God's idea of what the Messiah was supposed to be. They will get another chance. But that is in the future. So you are saying that I can not use Jewish/Hebrew historical reference yet you can utilize the bible? What do you think Judaism is exactly? Can you tackle ANY of these questions or no? And obviously the Jewish Messianic criteria was not merely that Jesus be a warrior, as demonstrated. My 5 reasons did not even touch on that. That is a Christian stand by. |
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Krimsa
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Thu 11/20/08 01:36 AM
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You know a lot of biblical passages to completly doubt about the existence of any TRUE prophets. I was just trying to establish some guidelines in defining any current day prophets. and any past day prophets. Well Im glad you seem to perceive me as some biblical scholar but the truth is the crap just annoys me. So you have established some kind of guidelines to your own satisfaction for defining a "real prophet" from a "fake prophet". Im just telling you I have yet to find an individual who can accurately predict the future 100% of the time, thus a true prophet. The closest I have experienced is a Pagan Palm Reader. If you are just annoyed why bother with any of this at all? There is a big difference between a prophet and a fortune teller. If you look at the prophets in the OT, they didn't predict for every space in time. They only had one part that they were responsible for, and that part came true 100% of the time. There has never been a prophet that predicts anything, they simply tell what God has said will happen if they didn't straighten up their act. It was you who mentioned that I knew so much about the bible. Im telling you I dont care about it. Yes the difference between a Pagan Fortune Teller and a Christian prophet is that the Pagan Fortune Teller will be accurate a good portion of the time. That has been my personal experience. I can begin listing for you prophet inaccuracies if you like. One after another I will list. |
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You know a lot of biblical passages to completly doubt about the existence of any TRUE prophets. I was just trying to establish some guidelines in defining any current day prophets. and any past day prophets. Well Im glad you seem to perceive me as some biblical scholar but the truth is the crap just annoys me. So you have established some kind of guidelines to your own satisfaction for defining a "real prophet" from a "fake prophet". Im just telling you I have yet to find an individual who can accurately predict the future 100% of the time, thus a true prophet. The closest I have experienced is a Pagan Palm Reader. to be online quoting any scripture instead of talking about nonsense...means that obviously you study it. does that not make you a scholar of sorts? and yes I think those guidlines are decent guidlines to go by. when looking for true prophets. I never said your guidelines were bad, merely your own. I do not believe that any prophet has been accurate. |
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Jesus didnt look like the messiah. The jews were looking for a king. I mean who was Jesus?? was a humble man? a teacher? a healer?
or was he majestic king with flowing robes? He did not fit the jewish vision of their messiah. but was this not foretold?? |
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i Hope someone is going to answer Krisma.
You know me and Krisma dis agree but we know that. We do not have a problem with each other. At least I do not have. I can relate better to what she is saying and understand her. You are right she has a lot of biblical knowledge. Why is that? Why would someone have alot of Biblical knowledge then can not stand what chr-stian are saying? My own personal experience is . That when you are lied to or see all this lying going on and so many people just not even knowing what they are saying.. They have zeal to try and show them what they are saying. It is one of the worst things in the bible you can do and so many are doing it. Yahshua said turn one away and I never knew you. Cause 1 to flee and it were better if you were drowned in the sea. he is talking about falsehood. Prove what you say. Chr-stians alway say but never prove. Why? shalom...Miles |
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Jesus didnt look like the messiah. The jews were looking for a king. I mean who was Jesus?? was a humble man? a teacher? a healer? or was he majestic king with flowing robes? He did not fit the jewish vision of their messiah. but was this not foretold?? If you scroll up, I listed some actual reasons why the Jews rejected Jesus and I asked that other lady to offer any explanation as to why the Jews might have been wrong to make these requests of the Messiah. She has argued and sidestepped. I also pointed out that in not one of my Hebraic criteria was anything mentioned about Jesus needing to be a warrior. That might have been a reason but not one that I listed. |
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Jesus didnt look like the messiah. The jews were looking for a king. I mean who was Jesus?? was a humble man? a teacher? a healer? or was he majestic king with flowing robes? He did not fit the jewish vision of their messiah. but was this not foretold?? I have a question. All the words recorded that Yahshua said. Who did he say had the most faith and why? Blessings...Miles |
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what will it take for the jewish people to belief in Jesus?
the rebuilding of a temple? PEACE?? well then we are into revelations and fulfilling of prophecies now arent we?? |
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