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The problems we see today in the ME are problems created by the western governments, esp British, forced creation of a Jewish homeland.
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Yep!
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there were problems way before then
they were hoping that would reduce the issue, actually it probably did. and it was mostly a jewish area before the birth of christ. the romans created a major part of the issues that are in that area to this day. if they would not have concured and combined the territories into the roman empire and pretty much made all local govt ineffective it would be a different world today. so i guess you can blame it on italy;   or should we ggo back to egypt when they enslaved the jewish people blame game can go many ways actually egypt is/was an arab state so where does it go from there?????????????/ |
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No! the Problems in the ME Today are a Result of Brain washed Radical Individuals who Need to be Violently Eradicated! |
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No! the Problems in the ME Today are a Result of Brain washed Radical Individuals who Need to be Violently Eradicated! |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 01/03/09 12:06 PM
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500 years prior to WWI the ME, including Palestine, was part of the Ottoman Empire.
With a promise of liberation, the Arabs of the region, who had been discriminated against by the Turks helped the allies defeat the Ottomans. This led to Arab Nationalism and the creation of many of the States we know today. Still no Israel, but the British held onto Palestine, called British Palestine. They had already began the Zionist movement, but it really didn't gain momentum until after WWII. Before this all happened there were only a handful of Jews in the whole ME. The Romans had defeated them years before and most left the ME resettling in Europe! Next came a UN mandate to give 70% of Palestine for the formation of a Jewish State to 30% of the population. The other 70% of the population, Arabs (now Palestinians) were to get only 30% of the land. Because this was in reality theft the Arabs didn't think it was fair. Because the Jewish 70% didn't include Jerusalem they didn't agree with it. They wanted it all. They decided to heck with the UN and dispatched their terrorist groups to begin killing (bombs) British soldiers and still their weapons from the British Armories! This violence escalated to attacks on Hotels, crowded outdoor markets, and assassinations of British dignitaries. Before the UN mandate could take place the Jews declared independence and started the State of Israel! The Arabs retaliated and the Jewish terrorists groups began to exterminate whole Palestinians villages, (women, men, and children) as a weapon of war! The neighboring Arab States, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, came to their aide but with the help of the US and Britain the Jews beat back their Armies and in the process took almost all of the land for themselves, and much of their neighbors land. They forced the Palestinians into narrow patches of land. (Gaza, and the West Bank) Now they lock them in and bomb the **** out of them with American weapons! |
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500 years prior to WWI the ME, including Palestine, was part of the Ottoman Empire. With a promise of liberation, the Arabs of the region, who had been discriminated against by the Turks helped the allies defeat the Ottomans. This led to Arab Nationalism and the creation of many of the States we know today. Still no Israel, but the British held onto Palestine, called British Palestine. They had already began the Zionist movement, but it really didn't gain momentum until after WWII. Before this all happened there were only a handful of Jews in the whole ME. The Romans had defeated them years before and most left the ME resettling in Europe! Next came a UN mandate to give 70% of Palestine for the formation of a Jewish State to 30% of the population. The other 70% of the population, Arabs (now Palestinians) were to get only 30% of the land. Because this was in reality theft the Arabs didn't think it was fair. Because the Jewish 70% didn't include Jerusalem they didn't agree with it. They wanted it all. They decided to heck with the UN and dispatched their terrorist groups to begin killing (bombs) British soldiers and still their weapons from the British Armories! This violence escalated to attacks on Hotels, crowded outdoor markets, and assassinations of British dignitaries. Before the UN mandate could take place the Jews declared independence and started the State of Israel! The Arabs retaliated and the Jewish terrorists groups began to exterminate whole Palestinians villages, (women, men, and children) as a weapon of war! The neighboring Arab States, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, came to their aide but with the help of the US and Britain the Jews beat back their Armies and in the process took almost all of the land for themselves, and much of their neighbors land. They forced the Palestinians into narrow patches of land. (Gaza, and the Sinai Peninsula) Now they lock them in and bomb the **** out of them with American weapons! |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 01/03/09 11:29 AM
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Many in this country are too young to remember Vietnam or the Cold War. On top of that they have barely bothered to study American history let alone World history beyond was was necessary to graduate HS.
Many others are blinded by the Religious right in this country who believe it is better to hide the truth behind lies and justify events as destiny proclaimed in the bible! Still others, who are not religious, simply believe what Politicians have been telling them for years! Then they wonder why I call them blind sheeple people! All I really wish is that the uninformed would read the facts with an open mind, and the religious right would ask themselves, "What would Jesus do?", and before any of us call Palestinians terrorist, Please look into the history of Israeli terrorism, then ask yourself what you would do if you found yourself in the shoes of the Palestinian people! |
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At the very least America should cut off all aid, military and economic, to Israel and demand the pull back to the UN mandated border! Then help create a Palestinian State!
At the very least! |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 01/03/09 11:36 AM
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We should then place US troops between the two countries with their weapons pointed toward the Israelis until they accept the fact that we mean to treat the Palestnians equally!
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Edited by
madisonman
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Sat 01/03/09 11:44 AM
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We should then place US troops between the two countries with their weapons pointed toward the Israelis until they accept the fact that we mean to treat the Palestnians equally! |
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Edited by
madisonman
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Sat 01/03/09 11:58 AM
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Say the arabs and muslims hated us so much they actualy did commit 911. You have to ask yourself why would they risk the wrath of the most brutal country on the planet. I think there are two reasons. We support the brutal regimes in the middle east. Trust me Saudi Arabia is as brutal as Saddam ever was when it came to disention. Then we come to Americas total support for all things the Israelis do includeing the attack on the USS Liberty. If we were honest and cared for justice and democracy we would and do have the ability to wave the right combination of carrots and sticks to make the word a better place for all.
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Say the arabs and muslims hated us so much they actualy did commit 911. You have to ask yourself why would they risk the wrath of the most brutal country on the planet. I think there are two reasons. We support the brutal regimes in the middle east. Trust me Saudi Arabia is as brutal as Saddam ever was when it came to disention. Then we come to Americas total support for all things the Israelis do includeing the attack on the USS Liberty. If we were honest and cared for justice and democracy we would and do have the ability to wave the right combination of carrots and sticks to make the word a better place for all.  OBAmerica is coming!! |
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01/06/05 ""The Independent"" -- -- I shook hands with him once, a brisk, no-nonsense soldier's grip from Sharon as he finished a review of the vicious Phalangist militiamen who stood in the barracks square at Karantina in Beirut. Who would have thought, I asked myself then, that this same bunch of murderers - the men who butchered their way through the Palestinian Sabra and Chatila refugee camps only a few weeks earlier - had their origins in the Nazi Olympics of 1936. That's when old Pierre Gemayel - still alive and standing stiffly to attention for Sharon - watched the "order" of Nazi Germany and proposed to bring some of this "order" to Lebanon. That's what Gemayel told me himself. Did Sharon not understand this. Of course, he must have done.
Back on 18 September that same year, Loren Jenkins of The Washington Post and Karsten Tveit of Norwegian television and I had clambered over the piled corpses of Chatila - of raped and eviscerated women and their husbands and children and brothers - and Jenkins, knowing that the Isrealis had sat around the camps for two nights watching this filth, shrieked "Sharon!" in anger and rage. He was right. Sharon it was who sent the Phalange into the camps on the night of 16 September - to hunt for "terrorists", so he claimed at the time. |
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The subsequent Israeli Kahan commission of enquiry into this atrocity provided absolute proof that Israeli soldiers saw the massacre taking place. The evidence of a Lieutenant Avi Grabovsky was crucial. He was an Israeli deputy tank commander and reported what he saw to his higher command. "Don't interfere," the senior officer said. Ever afterwards, Israeli embassies around the world would claim that the commission held Sharon only indirectly responsible for the massacre. It was untrue. The last page of the official Israeli report held Sharon "personally responsible". It was years later that the Israeli-trained Phalangist commander, Elie Hobeika, now working for the Syrians, agreed to turn state's evidence against Sharon - now the Israeli Prime Minister - at a Brussels court. The day after the Israeli attorney general declared Sharon's defence a "state" matter, Hobeika was killed by a massive car bomb in east Beirut. Israel denied responsibility. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld traveled to Brussels and quietly threatened to withdraw Nato headquarters from Belgium if the country maintained its laws to punish war criminals from foreign nations. Within months, George W Bush had declared Sharon "a man of peace". It was all over.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11479.htm |
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Mind you, this is but one instance by only one leader of Israel against the Palestinians!
Read and weep! The Sabra and Chatila massacre is one of the most barbarous events in recent history. Thousands of unarmed and defenseless Palestinian refugees-- old men, women and children-- were butchered in an orgy of savage killing. On December 16, 1982 the United Nations General Assembly condemned the massacre and declared it to be an act of genocide. Terror had led to the exodus of a large number of Palestinians in 1948. Therefore, the motivation for causing by similar means another exodus of Palestinians, this time from Lebanon, was a common objective of Israeli leaders, and their Phalangist allies. The massacre was not a spontaneous act of vengeance for the murder of Bashir Gemayel, but an operation planned in advance aimed at effecting a mass exodus by the Palestinians from Beirut and other parts of Lebanon. Israel’s participation in prior massacres directed against Palestinian people creates a most disturbing pattern of a political struggle carried on by means of mass terror directed at the civilians, including women, children, and the aged. http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/massacres/1.htm |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 01/03/09 12:27 PM
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The decision to move into West Beirut was taken by Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, although it constituted a violation of the cease-fire and the agreement which governed the PLO evacuation. It was also a breach of Israel’s word to President Reagan not to enter West Beirut after the PLOs departure. On the morning of September 15, 1982 the Israel Defense Forces moved into West Beirut and completely occupied it by the following day, notwithstanding the protests of the Lebanese and US Governments. The IDF, however, did not enter the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps, but encircled and sealed them off with troops and tanks.
Sound familiar?? |
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The Massacre
Three units of 50 militiamen each stood ready in the afternoon of Thursday, September 16, 1982 at the edge of Sabra and Chatila camps awaiting orders from the Israeli military command. At 5:00 p.m. they were sent into the refugee camps in accordance with the agreed program of action and they then commenced an orgy of killing which lasted until the morning of Saturday, September 18. According to General Amir Drori, Commander of the Israeli Forces in Lebanon, Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan met the head of the Phalangist forces in East Beirut on Friday afternoon and congratulated the Phalangists on their smooth military operation inside the camps. |
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Description of the scene is given by Loren Jenkins of the Washington Post service on September 23, 1982:
“The scene at the Chatila camp when foreign observers entered Saturday morning was like a nightmare. Women wailed over the deaths of loved ones, bodies began to swell under the hot sun, and the streets were littered with thousands of spent cartridges. Houses had been dynamited and bulldozed into rubble, many with the inhabitants still inside. Groups of bodies lay before bullet-pocked walls where they appeared to have been executed. Others were strewn in alleys and streets, apparently shot as they tried to escape. Each little dirt alley through the deserted buildings, where Palestinians have lived since fleeing Palestine when Israel was created in 1948, told its own horror story.” http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/massacres/1.htm |
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Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone, two American journalists who spent six weeks in Lebanon, gave evidence before the International Commission of Inquiry and the following is an extract from their testimony:
“When we entered Sabra and Chatila on Saturday, September 18, 1982, the final day of the killing, we saw bodies everywhere. We photographed victims that had been mutilated with axes and knives. Only a few of the people we photographed had been machine-gunned. Others had their heads smashed, their eyes removed, their throats cut, skin was stripped from their bodies, limbs were severed, some people were eviscerated. The terrorists also found time to plunder Palestinian property as well as books, manuscripts and other cultural material from the Palestinian Research Center in Beirut.” |
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