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I personally used to battle with alcohol, the bible calls us to be sober minded. I personally dont see any problem with using it for medical purposes. Using it recreationally would be sin. "nubby" ...Jesus noted for his turning water into wine and christians drinking wine as a subsitute for the blood of Christ is not Christianity exactly pushing towards a sober mind wouldn't this means the ritual is a sin Wine back then was watered down. The bible says not to be drunk with much wine. whether it was watered down or not the ritual wasn't pushing towards soberity or a sober mind just the opposite nubby says that Alcohol is not forbidden in the bible. "nubby" ..you said that the bible calls for christians to be of sober mind and practicing a ritual with the drinking of wine as the blood of Jesus is not practicing soberity ..isn't it actually the practice of drinking alcohol ....seems like a contradiction |
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I personally used to battle with alcohol, the bible calls us to be sober minded. I personally dont see any problem with using it for medical purposes. Using it recreationally would be sin. "nubby" ...Jesus noted for his turning water into wine and christians drinking wine as a subsitute for the blood of Christ is not Christianity exactly pushing towards a sober mind wouldn't this means the ritual is a sin Wine back then was watered down. The bible says not to be drunk with much wine. whether it was watered down or not the ritual wasn't pushing towards soberity or a sober mind just the opposite nubby says that Alcohol is not forbidden in the bible. "nubby" ..you said that the bible calls for christians to be of sober mind and practicing a ritual with the drinking of wine as the blood of Jesus is not practicing soberity ..isn't it actually the practice of drinking alcohol ....seems like a contradiction No there is no contradiction. The bible condemns drunkeness, sorry, I should have said it differently. |
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Is it okay to drink alcohol?
NO Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. YES Genesis 27:28 God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine. 
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Is it okay to drink alcohol? NO Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. YES Genesis 27:28 God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine. Tee Hee. More proof that literal translation will make you insane or quite possibly suffer an exploding head. |
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Is it okay to drink alcohol? NO Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. YES Genesis 27:28 God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine. Read entire chapter of numbers 6, Krimsa. It refers only to the Torah of the Nazirite Vow. Very Important.  Yamin Shalom! |
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Im not sure what that would have to do with it, Yamin. Anyway, here is another.
Is it okay to drink alcohol? NO Judges 13:4 Drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing. YES Judges 9:13 Wine, which cheereth God and man. personal favorite  |
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Mon 01/26/09 04:10 PM
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Genesis 1:12 "God gave us all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use". Do you think it should be ok for people to use marijuana at there own discretion? Or is that a typo in the bible? If our bodies carry the holiness of God...do you think he would want us out of our minds, all drugged up & not able to function? Not to mention living in a smelly smokey funky aroma? Do you really think God would want to be around that? Ewwwww..... PEE Uwwwww.... BTW... what gives anyone the right to be irresponsible should really be the question & not...well if God made it then we can use it to kill ourselves if we want to. Nope! God never intended for us to be on SELF destruct or to be a burden to someone else. Oh but let's no have any talk about right or wrong huh? Let's not tell people they better get out of the way of that freight train. They don't wanna hear it, do they now? |
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Im not sure what that would have to do with it, Yamin. Anyway, here is another. Is it okay to drink alcohol? NO Judges 13:4 Drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing. YES Judges 9:13 Wine, which cheereth God and man. personal favorite well so far "Krimsa" gave two example about the bible promoting drinking ...also didn't Jesus and the apostles drink wine at the last supper ...go into practically any bar and you will find christians drinking there ...not sure why Christians here are trying to deny the obvious ...some Christians drink or get drunk or take drugs and some Christians don't |
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Genesis 1:12 "God gave us all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use". Do you think it should be ok for people to use marijuana at there own discretion? Or is that a typo in the bible? If our bodies carry the holiness of God...do you think he would want us out of our minds, all drugged up & not able to function? Not to mention living in a smelly smokey funky aroma? Do you really think God would want to be around that? Ewwwww..... PEE Uwwwww.... BTW... what gives anyone the right to be irresponsible should really be the question & not...well if God made it then we can use it to kill ourselves if we want to. Nope! God never intended for us to be on SELF destruct or to be a burden to someone else. Oh but let's no have any talk about right or wrong huh? Let's not tell people they better get out of the way of that freight train. They don't wanna hear it, do they now? First of all, I have never heard of or seen anyone "out of their minds, and not able to function" from using marijuana (and I have been around A LOT of pot smokers). I HAVE however seen people get crazy and belligerent from using alcohol on MANY occasions. Second, we can't use marijuana to kill ourselves. It is a proven fact that you can't die from smoking marijuana. However, there have been a few cases where someone would use marijuana that was laced with harder (man made) drugs, that made them crazy, and or hurt themselves or others. But, I'm referring to the natural cannabis plant that God created. |
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I know a lot of troubled people who drink and/or smoke pot who are probably forced to not take part in church because of what a lot of the Christians (not naming any names from this thread) have preached or projected toward them. For many people, its an addiction, or a way of relieving pain. It should't have a whole lot to do with your relationship with Christ or your God.
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I don't believe that the Bible speaks for God anymore than Greek Mythology did. And yes, I was a Christian, and I'm thoroughly convinced that the Bible is full of both typos, and outright lies. I've since learn to "Do as ye will, and harm none, including yourself".  It's up to you to decide when the use of herbs is beneficial and when it is hazardous. Keep in mind that this particular herb is known to be addictive, at least psychologically addicive if not physiologically addictive. But then again so is alcohol and even Jesus drank wine.  So what you decide for yourself should depend on how you believe it will affect you personally. Yes, it can be PSYCHOLOGICALLY addictive. But so can religion, excersise, sex, gambling, eating, etc.... Alcohol is PHYSICALLY addictive, and many people die from withdrawl symptoms. Yet, it is legal and accepted. There have been NO cases of anyone overdosing on marijuana. It just isnt possible. Actually there have been 2 noted deaths attributed to over-dosing on marijuana. Although the figure isn't really a "set" figure as they didn't take into account any other possible substance. I know a lot about marijuana, I'm also a champion of reform for the laws on it. And great reform has been made, it is becoming less of a illegalized substance almost yearly...state after state has reformed their laws to accommodate marijuana and make it less of a crime (most recent I believe was Denver, Colorado that made it completly legal up to an ounce.). |
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Is it okay to drink alcohol? NO Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried. YES Genesis 27:28 God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine. This is why I dont spend much time on these Read the whole thing. A Nazirite was some one consecrated himself or herself and took a vow of separation and self imposed abstinence for the purpose of some special service. |
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Im not sure what that would have to do with it, Yamin. Anyway, here is another. Is it okay to drink alcohol? NO Judges 13:4 Drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing. YES Judges 9:13 Wine, which cheereth God and man. personal favorite Judges was a specific case for a woman who was going to bear a child, this woman was sterile and childless. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Mon 01/26/09 04:50 PM
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Genesis 1:12 "God gave us all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use". Do you think it should be ok for people to use marijuana at there own discretion? Or is that a typo in the bible? If our bodies carry the holiness of God...do you think he would want us out of our minds, all drugged up & not able to function? Not to mention living in a smelly smokey funky aroma? Do you really think God would want to be around that? Ewwwww..... PEE Uwwwww.... BTW... what gives anyone the right to be irresponsible should really be the question & not...well if God made it then we can use it to kill ourselves if we want to. Nope! God never intended for us to be on SELF destruct or to be a burden to someone else. Oh but let's no have any talk about right or wrong huh? Let's not tell people they better get out of the way of that freight train. They don't wanna hear it, do they now? First of all, I have never heard of or seen anyone "out of their minds, and not able to function" from using marijuana (and I have been around A LOT of pot smokers). I HAVE however seen people get crazy and belligerent from using alcohol on MANY occasions. Second, we can't use marijuana to kill ourselves. It is a proven fact that you can't die from smoking marijuana. However, there have been a few cases where someone would use marijuana that was laced with harder (man made) drugs, that made them crazy, and or hurt themselves or others. But, I'm referring to the natural cannabis plant that God created. Sorry, Filmfreek, I'll have to disagree with you on something. Back in the 70's I saw plenty of people sitting in front of the TV and not functioning from using marijuana. I knew a few who spent most of their evenings like that. We called them burn outs. |
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I've seen people do that too. They just werent smoking good weed.
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Not exactly, it was not uncommon to be unable to find clean water back in those days, so they drank beer and wine, which was made a little differently. "TBrich" ..so Jesus can turn water into wine but can't turn dirty water into drinkable water ... also do that mean that all the babies were drinking beer and wine I hadn't thought of that angle, just another contradiction it seems... |
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Mon 01/26/09 05:24 PM
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Genesis 1:12 "God gave us all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use". Do you think it should be ok for people to use marijuana at there own discretion? Or is that a typo in the bible? If our bodies carry the holiness of God...do you think he would want us out of our minds, all drugged up & not able to function? Not to mention living in a smelly smokey funky aroma? Do you really think God would want to be around that? Ewwwww..... PEE Uwwwww.... BTW... what gives anyone the right to be irresponsible should really be the question & not...well if God made it then we can use it to kill ourselves if we want to. Nope! God never intended for us to be on SELF destruct or to be a burden to someone else. Oh but let's no have any talk about right or wrong huh? Let's not tell people they better get out of the way of that freight train. They don't wanna hear it, do they now? First of all, I have never heard of or seen anyone "out of their minds, and not able to function" from using marijuana (and I have been around A LOT of pot smokers). I HAVE however seen people get crazy and belligerent from using alcohol on MANY occasions. Second, we can't use marijuana to kill ourselves. It is a proven fact that you can't die from smoking marijuana. However, there have been a few cases where someone would use marijuana that was laced with harder (man made) drugs, that made them crazy, and or hurt themselves or others. But, I'm referring to the natural cannabis plant that God created. Oh come on now...let's get real. Drug addiction is just that...addiction. It ruins lives just like alchohal. This is why there is such a decline in our society. Drugs in a society are put there for the soul purpose of control society & weaken their resolve. So how responsible is anyone being doing any kind of drugs? You are fooling yourself to think otherwise & putting many lives in jeapardy in the process. Like I should even have to point out the obvious is amazing. The tongue in cheek attitude doesn't help anyone. |
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Genesis 1:12 "God gave us all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use". Do you think it should be ok for people to use marijuana at there own discretion? Or is that a typo in the bible? If our bodies carry the holiness of God...do you think he would want us out of our minds, all drugged up & not able to function? Not to mention living in a smelly smokey funky aroma? Do you really think God would want to be around that? Ewwwww..... PEE Uwwwww.... BTW... what gives anyone the right to be irresponsible should really be the question & not...well if God made it then we can use it to kill ourselves if we want to. Nope! God never intended for us to be on SELF destruct or to be a burden to someone else. Oh but let's no have any talk about right or wrong huh? Let's not tell people they better get out of the way of that freight train. They don't wanna hear it, do they now? First of all, I have never heard of or seen anyone "out of their minds, and not able to function" from using marijuana (and I have been around A LOT of pot smokers). I HAVE however seen people get crazy and belligerent from using alcohol on MANY occasions. Second, we can't use marijuana to kill ourselves. It is a proven fact that you can't die from smoking marijuana. However, there have been a few cases where someone would use marijuana that was laced with harder (man made) drugs, that made them crazy, and or hurt themselves or others. But, I'm referring to the natural cannabis plant that God created. Sorry, Filmfreek, I'll have to disagree with you on something. Back in the 70's I saw plenty of people sitting in front of the TV and not functioning from using marijuana. I knew a few who spent most of their evenings like that. We called them burn outs. I think that has more to do with the person then the pot. The 4 people I have known that have done pot for many years are successful people living very active lives... Of course they don't sit around exclusively smoking pot. More like an evening drink substitute or somthing like that. I think anything can become addictive if you are an addictive type person. |
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Not exactly, it was not uncommon to be unable to find clean water back in those days, so they drank beer and wine, which was made a little differently. "TBrich" ..so Jesus can turn water into wine but can't turn dirty water into drinkable water ... also do that mean that all the babies were drinking beer and wine I hadn't thought of that angle, just another contradiction it seems... there seems to be excuses why people was drinking beer wine of gog back in the bibical days but once you place babies into the equation then the tune changes so if people had to drink wine that mean the children also drank it everytime they got thristy all day long and grew up being alcoholics which could explain why a multitude of people could have all been high when they claim to witness miracles |
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Yep. And they were eating herbs and mushrooms.
Hahahaha.  Maybe that would explain the dragons. 
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