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Topic: The Union Way Up
catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Wed 01/28/09 04:36 PM Edited by catwoman96 on Wed 01/28/09 04:40 PM
i also pick up doubletime and bonus points frequently at times...when i have time.....Im sure that If i was a union nurse..again this would be difficult...senority and crap like that... and Im saying this COMING from someone who had VERY high senority at a union warehouse. I know...union...senority is very powerful.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 01/28/09 04:38 PM
What is the consensus then on the Union clause in the Bailout scheme. I believe as it reads, if 51% of a workforce signs up then the company is forced to unionize without any counter offers.

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Wed 01/28/09 04:39 PM
Yes, it makes sense. You're part-time. Part-time doesn't get benefits or vacation or sick time. Yes, I can see that you could make more money per hour in your field. I would find it difficult to work 12 hours straight. im part time resource..... which is different than just being part time for a unit. I mean i have been trained to work over 40 different floors...soemtiems I spend 4 hours on one floor...and then 8 hours on another. sucks when i spend 4 hours at one hospital and then I gotta drive to the other for the rest of the shift. still..its nice to kill 24 hours of work in two nights..or to work fulltime at 36 hours in 3 nights.

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Wed 01/28/09 05:41 PM
i also pick up doubletime and bonus points frequently at times...when i have time.....Im sure that If i was a union nurse..again this would be difficult...senority and crap like that... and Im saying this COMING from someone who had VERY high senority at a union warehouse. I know...union...senority is very powerful. Yes it is verry powerfull you get recalled from layoffs by senority and classification. We had a non union shop here in my small town that laid off and they picked off the older better paid workers first. Oh they allways have a justification for it but usualy its the bottem line. They count on the low paid workers to not be able to sue them for age discrimination being they cant afford a lawyer. twenty years in that sweat shop would give y ou fifteen an hour and then you have to grovel like a toad for that. I had a lay off like most the auto industry but I was laid off by senority and recalled by senority, gurenteed.

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Wed 01/28/09 06:21 PM
again I dont agree with senority being an effective way to run a buisness. it cripples the buisness

AndrewAV Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1186	Wed 01/28/09 07:22 PM Edited by AndrewAV on Wed 01/28/09 07:23 PM
and what does your job entail, exactly? I am guessing it entails something with a high barrier to entry. Judging by the spelling. lol. I'm just curious because he makes slightly more than me and pays $300 less a month than I would for medical and I get no pension. All the while, my job requires extensive knowledge to keep up on everything and expensive ($40k and counting) tools to do that job. not to mention that southern california is not not known for it's cheap cost of living. slightly more? it is 400 a month more and my cost of liveing in Ohio is far cheaper than yours. Somehow my company does verry well with its highly paid highly motivated work force. Gee I wish I didnt have to work in the union I could make less money and pay more for insurance. I just waste that 400 anyhow on clothes, tires on my daughters car, braces for the kids. Vet bills for the family pet, dumb stuff like that so why don't you tell me what this mystery job is? I'm genuinely curious. I'm confident in my job. I make double what every tech in the shop makes and the only person that makes more than me in the office is the owner (who takes a salary). We're barely keeping up at this point. I'm the newest in the shop and I'm the most secure in my job. You want to know why? What I know and can do. I can do everything that anyone in the shop can and those aren't even my specialties. I normally do electrical and drivability diagnosis that nobody even has a clue how to do. I have 9 ASE certs and a smog license that basically makes me non-expendable to my shop because my average margin for profit on my work is far more than the rest. So that is how you stick around: make yourself more useful to the company than the others. The union completely goes against this philosophy that is the base of a free market. The union promotes "one man, one job" and as cited before frowns severely on doing another's job. Those who can succeed in life on their own merits,do... those who can't, join unions. It is my belief that REAL men don't need to hide behind the apron strings of a "mommy" figure (union leadership) to take care them (job protection). "Mommy" negotiates your allowance (pay and benefits) but charges a monthly fee to do so. "Mommy" tells you what to do in regards to your responsibilities at work and when to throw a temper tantrum in public for attention (strike or picket). "Mommy" protects you when screw up (intentionally or unintentionally). If you don't do what "mommy" says, she punishes you. If you have to make a decision at work and not sure what to do, you have to ask "mommy". If your feelings are hurt when you see a REAL man not part of the family doing your job and making you look like a wimp, you go running and crying to "mommy". One doesn't need to be a licensed psychologist to see union "males" have some form of an "Edopus complex" (with "mommy") coupled with abandonment issues and are afraid to move out of "mommy's" basement. I speculate union boys/adolescents are naturally submissive and have made a consensual and cognitive decision to be controlled/dominated by "mommy". "Mommy" will give you everything you need to survive in life, except your employment manhood. Those who can do, those who won't/can't, become union eunuchs. This is a perfect analogy. Couldn't have said it better myself. and a final note, you may think your company is doing well even paying out the ass for the union, but that just means in a free market, they'd be doing even better and could potentially expand to provide more jobs in other places. So truthfully, the union, again, only benefits those in it and hurts those that are not.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Wed 01/28/09 07:38 PM


madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Thu 01/29/09 01:25 AM
i also pick up doubletime and bonus points frequently at times...when i have time.....Im sure that If i was a union nurse..again this would be difficult...senority and crap like that... and Im saying this COMING from someone who had VERY high senority at a union warehouse. I know...union...senority is very powerful. do t hey let you work christmas and thanksgiveing? anything over 8 for me is time and a half.

catwoman96 Joined Thu 08/14/08 Posts: 5848	Thu 01/29/09 02:04 AM
i also pick up doubletime and bonus points frequently at times...when i have time.....Im sure that If i was a union nurse..again this would be difficult...senority and crap like that... and Im saying this COMING from someone who had VERY high senority at a union warehouse. I know...union...senority is very powerful. do t hey let you work christmas and thanksgiveing? anything over 8 for me is time and a half. Ive already signed up my yearly holiday schedule. I gotta pick one summer/one winter. i think I picked brickyard and thanksgiving night. although there is always overtime to pick up if iwant...pretty much the call my phone everYday wanting me to work that night.....given that i pretty much have my have my kids through school nights this is impossilbe. priorities.

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Thu 01/29/09 05:11 AM
That makes as much sense as anything you have written........

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Thu 01/29/09 06:33 AM
and what does your job entail, exactly? I am guessing it entails something with a high barrier to entry. Judging by the spelling. lol. I'm just curious because he makes slightly more than me and pays $300 less a month than I would for medical and I get no pension. All the while, my job requires extensive knowledge to keep up on everything and expensive ($40k and counting) tools to do that job. not to mention that southern california is not not known for it's cheap cost of living. slightly more? it is 400 a month more and my cost of liveing in Ohio is far cheaper than yours. Somehow my company does verry well with its highly paid highly motivated work force. Gee I wish I didnt have to work in the union I could make less money and pay more for insurance. I just waste that 400 anyhow on clothes, tires on my daughters car, braces for the kids. Vet bills for the family pet, dumb stuff like that so why don't you tell me what this mystery job is? I'm genuinely curious. I'm confident in my job. I make double what every tech in the shop makes and the only person that makes more than me in the office is the owner (who takes a salary). We're barely keeping up at this point. I'm the newest in the shop and I'm the most secure in my job. You want to know why? What I know and can do. I can do everything that anyone in the shop can and those aren't even my specialties. I normally do electrical and drivability diagnosis that nobody even has a clue how to do. I have 9 ASE certs and a smog license that basically makes me non-expendable to my shop because my average margin for profit on my work is far more than the rest. So that is how you stick around: make yourself more useful to the company than the others. The union completely goes against this philosophy that is the base of a free market. The union promotes "one man, one job" and as cited before frowns severely on doing another's job. Those who can succeed in life on their own merits,do... those who can't, join unions. It is my belief that REAL men don't need to hide behind the apron strings of a "mommy" figure (union leadership) to take care them (job protection). "Mommy" negotiates your allowance (pay and benefits) but charges a monthly fee to do so. "Mommy" tells you what to do in regards to your responsibilities at work and when to throw a temper tantrum in public for attention (strike or picket). "Mommy" protects you when screw up (intentionally or unintentionally). If you don't do what "mommy" says, she punishes you. If you have to make a decision at work and not sure what to do, you have to ask "mommy". If your feelings are hurt when you see a REAL man not part of the family doing your job and making you look like a wimp, you go running and crying to "mommy". One doesn't need to be a licensed psychologist to see union "males" have some form of an "Edopus complex" (with "mommy") coupled with abandonment issues and are afraid to move out of "mommy's" basement. I speculate union boys/adolescents are naturally submissive and have made a consensual and cognitive decision to be controlled/dominated by "mommy". "Mommy" will give you everything you need to survive in life, except your employment manhood. Those who can do, those who won't/can't, become union eunuchs. This is a perfect analogy. Couldn't have said it better myself. and a final note, you may think your company is doing well even paying out the ass for the union, but that just means in a free market, they'd be doing even better and could potentially expand to provide more jobs in other places. So truthfully, the union, again, only benefits those in it and hurts those that are not.

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Thu 01/29/09 06:39 AM Edited by Zapchaser on Thu 01/29/09 06:39 AM
i also pick up doubletime and bonus points frequently at times...when i have time.....Im sure that If i was a union nurse..again this would be difficult...senority and crap like that... and Im saying this COMING from someone who had VERY high senority at a union warehouse. I know...union...senority is very powerful. do t hey let you work christmas and thanksgiveing? anything over 8 for me is time and a half. Working eight or simply using up air? Most union employees feel that they are worth an inflated wage simply for sucking air instead of being home lounging on the couch with a beer perched on their gullet while watching wrestling on the boob tube. Unions are their own worst enemy as is being seen by the fact that their membership decreases year by year.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Thu 01/29/09 09:11 AM
That's a ridiculous analogy!

Zapchaser Joined Sat 04/14/07 Posts: 2491	Thu 01/29/09 11:26 AM
That's a ridiculous analogy! Hey Glenn! I don't see where you found anything analogous in my statement.

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Thu 01/29/09 01:15 PM Edited by madisonman on Thu 01/29/09 02:02 PM
No matter what you think day in and day out I draw a good paycheck with great medical benefits and retirenment. That is my reality. I work hard every day and my employers are greatful for my experience and work knowledge. In fact I have a class comeing up in the next month on a saurday that will pay time and a half, yes its over 30 an hour and they treat for lunch.

AndrewAV Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1186	Thu 01/29/09 05:52 PM
No matter what you think day in and day out I draw a good paycheck with great medical benefits and retirenment. That is my reality. I work hard every day and my employers are greatful for my experience and work knowledge. In fact I have a class comeing up in the next month on a saurday that will pay time and a half, yes its over 30 an hour and they treat for lunch. once again, for the third time. doing what exactly?

AndrewAV Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1186	Thu 01/29/09 05:54 PM
That's a ridiculous analogy! please rebut then. seriously. I think it's the best analogy I've heard by far.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 01/29/09 06:06 PM
No matter what you think day in and day out I draw a good paycheck with great medical benefits and retirenment. That is my reality. I work hard every day and my employers are greatful for my experience and work knowledge. In fact I have a class comeing up in the next month on a saurday that will pay time and a half, yes its over 30 an hour and they treat for lunch. once again, for the third time. doing what exactly? Why should he tell on here?

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 01/29/09 06:07 PM Edited by Unknow on Thu 01/29/09 06:08 PM
No matter what you think day in and day out I draw a good paycheck with great medical benefits and retirenment. That is my reality. I work hard every day and my employers are greatful for my experience and work knowledge. In fact I have a class comeing up in the next month on a saurday that will pay time and a half, yes its over 30 an hour and they treat for lunch. once again, for the third time. doing what exactly? If I was him I would ask why you have no photo posted. With all your knowledge and the money you make, Why not post one? I see on your profile you have photography as an interest....If your answer is I will share later, then you have no right to even ask about his job. After all this is a dating site!!

AndrewAV Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1186	Thu 01/29/09 07:08 PM Edited by AndrewAV on Thu 01/29/09 07:11 PM
No matter what you think day in and day out I draw a good paycheck with great medical benefits and retirenment. That is my reality. I work hard every day and my employers are greatful for my experience and work knowledge. In fact I have a class comeing up in the next month on a saurday that will pay time and a half, yes its over 30 an hour and they treat for lunch. once again, for the third time. doing what exactly? Why should he tell on here? He's going on about this wonderful union job, I'm just curious what it is. If I was him I would ask why you have no photo posted. With all your knowledge and the money you make, Why not post one? I see on your profile you have photography as an interest....If your answer is I will share later, then you have no right to even ask about his job. After all this is a dating site!! because I take pictures of others. I really don't feel a need to post one. If he said the same about not telling his job, I'd accept that but he has not done that either.