i knew there was SOMETHING i liked about you

How can you be sure you are not working on theories? You can't so do not pass it off as if it is actual fact. I have seen the conspiracy web in your threads. Not necessarily verifiable but someone thinks it is a possibility.

As for the gun restrictions, as long as you are able to bear arms you are within the contitution. It doesn't specify which ones. Restrictions do not ban. So you cannot scream unconstitutional on that one and be valid.

I will say this yet again. I refuse to believe the conspiracy theories and the way too much corruption complaints because they paralyze the citizens of this country into believing they have no voice, no validity, no way of changing their environment. Once you believe that you are defeated. These things are not designed to bring insight they are designed to defeat without a battle. I refuse to be one of those defeatist.

I am not offended at all either so we are good.

a defeatest disregard many words, believe in ideals alone and is defeated without facts, does it defeat to look into tracks, to believe not in ideas but only in proof in facts???

wikipedia...trilateral commission

unbiased source???

all sources gathered together and inspected be an unbiased non emotional no fear led inquiry of facts???

peruse the names of the members...

see how many fammilair names keep poppin up...

an attorney cannot represent his own mother in a trial, as it be a true conflict of interest.

a banker cannot loan money to her own family, for conflict of interest.

a professor cannot have sexual relations with a student, conflict of interest.

any conflict of interest here???


In July 1972, Rockefeller called his first meeting, which was held at Rockefeller's Pocantico compound in New York's Hudson Valley. It was attended by about 250 individuals who were carefully selected and screened by Rockefeller and represented the very elite of finance and industry.

Its first executive committee meeting was held in Tokyo in October 1973. The Trilateral Commission was officially initiated, holding biannual meetings.

A Trilateral Commission Task Force Report, presented at the 1975 meeting in Kyoto, Japan, called An Outline for Remaking World Trade and Finance, said: "Close Trilateral cooperation in keeping the peace, in managing the world economy, and in fostering economic development and in alleviating world poverty, will improve the chances of a smooth and peaceful evolution of the global system." Another Commission document read:

"The overriding goal is to make the world safe for interdependence by protecting the benefits which it provides for each country against external and internal threats which will constantly emerge from those willing to pay a price for more national autonomy. This may sometimes require slowing the pace at which interdependence proceeds, and checking some aspects of it. More frequently however, it will call for checking the intrusion of national government into the international exchange of both economic and non-economic goods."

In May 1976, the first plenary meeting of all of the Commission's regional groups took place in Kyoto, attended by Jimmy Carter.[3] Today it consists of approximately 300–350 private citizens from Europe, the Asia-Pacific region, and North America, and exists to promote closer political and economic cooperation between these areas, which are the primary industrial regions in the world.[3] Its official journal from its founding is a magazine called Trialogue.

Membership is divided into numbers proportionate to each of its three regional areas. These members include corporate CEOs, politicians of all major parties, distinguished academics, university presidents, labor union leaders and not-for-profits involved in overseas philanthropy. Members who gain a position in their respective country's government must resign from the Commission. The North American continent is represented by 107 members (15 Canadian, seven Mexican and 85 U.S. citizens). The European group has reached its limit of 150 members, including citizens from Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey and the United Kingdom.[citation needed]

At first, Asia and Oceania were represented only by Japan. However, in 2000 the Japanese group of 85 members expanded itself, becoming the Pacific Asia group, composed of 117 members: 75 Japanese, 11 South Koreans, seven Australian and New Zealand citizens, and 15 members from the ASEAN nations (Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand). The Pacific Asia group also includes nine members from China, Hong Kong and Taiwan.


[edit] Criticism
The organization has come under much scrutiny and criticism by political activists and academics working in the social and political sciences. The Commission has found its way into a number of conspiracy theories, especially when it became known that President Jimmy Carter appointed 26 former Commission members to senior positions in his Administration. Later it was revealed that Carter himself was a former Trilateral member. In the 1980 election, it was revealed that Carter and his two major opponents, John B. Anderson and George H. W. Bush, were also members, and the Commission became a campaign issue. Ronald Reagan supporters noted that he was not a Trilateral member, but after he was chosen as Republican nominee he chose Bush as his running mate; as president, he appointed a few Trilateral members to Cabinet positions and held a reception for the Commission in the White House in 1984. The John Birch Society believes that the Trilateral Commission is dedicated to the formation of one world government.[4] In 1980, Holly Sklar released a book titled Trilateralism: the Trilateral Commission and Elite Planning for World Management.

Conservative critics claim the "Commission constitutes a conspiracy seeking to gain control of the U.S. Government to create a new world order." Mike Thompson, Chairman of the Florida Conservative Union, said: "It puts emphasis on interdependence, which is a nice euphemism for one-world government."

Sen. Barry Goldwater wrote in his book With No Apologies: "In my view, the Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power: political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future."

Since many of the members were businesspeople or bankers, actions that they took or encouraged that helped the banking industry have been noted. Jeremiah Novak, writing in the July 1977 issue of Atlantic, said that after international oil prices rose when Nixon set price controls on American domestic oil, many developing countries were required to borrow from banks to buy oil: "The Trilaterists' emphasis on international economics is not entirely disinterested, for the oil crisis forced many developing nations, with doubtful repayment abilities, to borrow excessively. All told, private multinational banks, particularly Rockefeller's Chase Manhattan, have loaned nearly $52 billion to developing countries. An overhauled International Monetary Fund (IMF) would provide another source of credit for these nations, and would take the big private banks off the hook. This proposal is the cornerstone of the Trilateral plan."[1] He went on to say, "Although the Commission's primary concern is economic, the Trilateralists pinpointed a vital political objective: to gain control of the American Presidency... For the third time in this century, a group of American schools, businessmen, and government officials is planning to fashion a new world order..."

Craig S. Karpel wrote in a November 1977 Penthouse magazine article "Cartergate: The Death of Democracy": "The presidency of the United States and the key cabinet departments of the federal government have been taken over by a private organization dedicated to the subordination of the domestic interests of the United States to the international interests of the multi-national banks and corporations. It would be unfair to say that the Trilateral Commission dominates the Carter Administration; the Trilateral Commission is the Carter Administration."

U.S. News and World Report stated: "The Trilateralists have taken charge of foreign policy-making in the Carter Administration, and already the immense power they wield is sparking some controversy. Active or former members of the Trilateral Commission now head every key agency involved in mapping U.S. strategy for dealing with the rest of the world."[citation needed]

In his 2008 book "Making Government Work," former South Carolina Senator Ernest Hollings cited the Trilateral Commission as a negative influence on President Carter in his pro free trade and U.S. textile policies.


[edit] Membership
"Several of whom had been involved with the Trilateral Commission, but then that's almost everybody at one time or another."[5] This comment was made during an exit interview by the White House Adviser on Domestic and Foreign Policy, Hedley Donovan, under President Jimmy Carter, in reference to when he was gathering a group of foreign policy figures to convene during the Soviet brigade in Cuba.[1][2]

While never a Trilateral member, “President Reagan ultimately came to understand Trilateral’s value and invited the entire membership to a reception at the White House in April 1984”, noted David Rockefeller in his memoirs.[6]


[edit] Current Chairmen
North America: Joseph Nye, University Distinguished Service Professor and former Dean, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; former Chair, National Intelligence Council and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs.[7]
Europe: Peter Sutherland, Irish businessman and former politician associated with the Fine Gael party; former Attorney General of Ireland and European Commissioner in the first Delors Commission; former Director General of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, the precursor to the World Trade Organization; Chairman of BP and Goldman Sachs International.[8]
Pacific Asia: Yotaro Kobayashi, Chief Corporate Adviser, Fuji Xerox Company, Ltd.;[9] Board member of Callaway Golf Company, Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT), Sony Corporation, and American Productivity & Quality Center; life-time trustee of Keizai Doyukai (Japan Association of Corporate Executives); Chairman of the Aspen Institute, Japan.[10][11]

[edit] Current Deputy Chairmen
North America:

Allan E. Gotlieb, Senior Adviser, Bennett Jones LLP, Toronto, ON; Chairman, Sotheby's, Canada; former Canadian Ambassador to the United States[12]
Lorenzo Zambrano, Chairman and CEO, Cemex SAB de CV, Monterrey, Mexico (since 1985); board member at IBM and Citigroup[13]
Europe:

Herve de Carmoy, Chairman, Almatis, Frankfurt-am-Main; former Partner, Rhône Group, New York & Paris; Honorary Chairman, Banque Industrielle et Mobilière Privée, Paris; former Chief Executive, Société Générale de Belgique[14]
Andrzej Olechowski, Founder, Civic Platform; former Chairman, Bank Handlowy; former Minister of Foreign Affairs and of Finance, Warsaw[15]
Pacific Asia:

Han Sung-Joo, President, Korea University[3], Seoul; former Korean Minister for Foreign Affairs; former Korean Ambassador to the United States[16]
Shijuro Ogata, Former Deputy Governor, Japan Development Bank; former Deputy Governor for International Relations, Bank of Japan[4][17]

[edit] Current directors
North America: Michael J. O'Neil[18]
Europe: Paul Révay[18]
Pacific Asia: Tadashi Yamaoto[18]

[edit] Former Chairmen
North America:

Thomas S. Foley (2001-2008)[19]
Paul A. Volcker (1991-2001) Honorary and former North American Chairman;[20] Chairman of President Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board;[21] former Chairman, Board of Governors, U.S. Federal Reserve System[5] from 1979 to 1987; Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Group of Thirty; former Chairman, Wolfensohn & Co., Inc., New York; Frederick H. Schultz Professor Emeritus, International Economic Policy, Princeton University;
David Rockefeller (1977-91) Founder of the Trilateral Commission and Honorary North American Chairman; Chairman of the Chase Manhattan Bank board from 1969 to 1981; Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1970 to 1985, now honorary Chairman; a life member of the Bilderberg Group.[22]
Gerard C. Smith (1973-77)[18]
Europe:

Otto Graf Lambsdorff (1992-2001) Honorary European Chairman[23]
Georges Berthoin (1976-92) Honorary European Chairman[24]
Max Kohnstamm (1973-76)[18]
Pacific Asia:

Kiichi Miyazawa, Acting Chairman (1993-97)[25]
Akio Morita (1992-93)[18]
Isamu Yama****a (1985-92)[18]
Takeshi Watanabe (1973-85)[18]

[edit] Former directors
North America:

Zbigniew Brzezinski (1973-1976), U.S. National Security Advisor to U.S. President Jimmy Carter (1977 - 1981); Counselor, Center for Strategic and International Studies[6], Washington DC; Robert Osgood Professor of American Foreign Affairs, Paul Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University; former Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs; Policy Planning Council of the Department of State (1966 - 1968).[26][18]
Europe:

Pacific Asia:


[edit] Executive Committee
Erik Belfrage, Senior Vice President, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken; Director, Investor AB, Stockholm[18]
C. Fred Bergsten, Director, Peterson Institute for International Economics, Washington DC; former U.S. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs[18]
Georges Berthoin, International Honorary Chairman, European Movement[7]; Honorary Chairman, The Jean Monnet Association; Honorary European Chairman, The Trilateral Commission[18]
Jorge Braga de Macedo, President, Tropical Research Institute, Lisbon; Professor of Economics, Nova University at Lisbon[8]; Chairman, Forum Portugal Global; former Minister of Finance[18]
François Bujon de l'Estang, Ambassadeur de France; Chairman, Citigroup France, Paris; former Ambassador to the United States[18]
Richard Conroy, Chairman, Conroy Diamonds & Gold[9], Dublin; Member of Senate, Republic of Ireland[18]
Vladimir Dlouhy, Senior Advisor, ABB Group[10]; International Advisor, Goldman Sachs; former Czechoslovak Minister of Economy; former Czech Minister of Industry & Trade, Prague[18]
Bill Emmott, former Editor, The Economist, London[18]
Nemesio Fernandez-Cuesta, Executive Director of Upstream, Repsol-YPF; former Chairman, Prensa Española, Madrid[18]
Michael Fuchs, Member of the German Bundestag; former President, National Federation of German Wholesale & Foreign Trade, Berlin[18]
Antonio Garrigues Walker, Chairman, Garrigues Abogados y Asesores Tributarios[11], Madrid
Toyoo Gyohten, President, The Institute for International Monetary Affairs[12]; Senior Advisor, The Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, UFJ, Ltd., Tokyo[18]
Stuart Harris, Professor of International Relations, Research School of Pacific and Asian Studies[13], Australian National University; former Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs, Canberra[18]
Carla A. Hills, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hills & Company[14], Washington, DC; board member, Time Warner Inc. with Ted Turner[27]; former U.S. Trade Representative[15] (1989 - 1993); former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development[16]; former United States Assistant Attorney General; chair, The Inter American Dialogue and of the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations, co-chair, The International Advisory Board of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, member, The Executive Committee[28] of the Peterson Institute for International Economics[18][29]
Karen Elliott House, Writer, Princeton, NJ; Senior Fellow, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs[17], John F. Kennedy School of Government[18], Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; former Senior Vice President, Dow Jones & Company, and Publisher, The Wall Street Journal[18]
Mugur Isărescu, Governor, National Bank of Romania[19], Bucharest; former Prime Minister of Romania[18]
Baron Daniel Janssen, Honorary Chairman, Solvay, Brussels[18]
Béla Kadar, Member of the Hungarian Academy[20], Budapest; Member of the Monetary Council of the National Bank[21]; President of the Hungarian Economic Association; former Ambassador of Hungary to the O.E.C.D., Paris; former Hungarian Minister of International Economic Relations and Member of Parliament[18]
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, Deputy Chairman and Senior Independent Non-Executive Director of Royal Dutch Shell; Member of the House of Lords[22]; Director of Rio Tinto, the Scottish American Investment Trust, London; former Secretary General, European Convention[23], Brussels; former Permanent Under-Secretary of State and Head of the Diplomatic Service, Foreign & Commonwealth Office[24], London; former British Ambassador to the United States[18]
Sixten Korkman, Managing Director, The Research Institute of the Finnish Economy[25] (ETLA) and Finnish Business and Policy Forum (EVA), Helsinki[18]
Count Otto Lambsdorff, Partner, Wessing Lawyers, Düsseldorf; Chairman, Friedrich Naumann Foundation[26], Berlin; former Member of German Bundestag; Honorary Chairman, Free Democratic Party; former Federal Minister of Economy; former President of the Liberal International; Honorary European Chairman, The Trilateral Commission, Paris[18]
Lee Hong-Koo, Chairman, Seoul Forum for International Affairs; former Prime Minister of Korea; former Korean Ambassador to the United Kingdom and the United States[18]
Marianne Lie, Director General, Norwegian Shipowners Association, Oslo[18]
Cees Maas, Honorary Vice Chairman of the ING Group and former Chief Financial Officer, Amsterdam; former Treasurer of the Dutch Government[18]
Roy MacLaren, former Canadian High Commissioner to the United Kingdom; former Canadian Minister of International Trade[27]; Toronto, ON[18]
Minoru Makihara, Senior Corporate Advisor, Mitsubishi Corporation, Tokyo[18]
Sir Deryck C. Maughan, Managing Director and Chairman, KKR Asia, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., New York, NY; former Vice Chairman, Citigroup[18]
Minoru Murofushi, Counselor, ITOCHU Corporation, Tokyo[18]
Indra K. Nooyi, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, PepsiCo, Inc., Purchase, NY[18]
Yoshio Okawara, President, Institute for International Policy Studies, Tokyo; former Japanese Ambassador to the United States[18]
Susan Rice, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations in the Obama administration; Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies and Global Economy and Development Programs, Brookings Institution, Washington, DC; former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs; former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs, National Security Council; foreign policy advisor to President Barack Obama.[30][18]
Luis Rubio, President, Center of Research for Development (CIDAC), Mexico City, DF[18]
Silvio Scaglia, Founder, Chairman and Financial Backer of Babelgum, London; Chairman, S.M.S. Finance S.A., Luxembourg[18]
Guido Schmidt-Chiari, Chairman, Supervisory Board, Constantia Group; former Chairman, Creditanstalt Bankverein, Vienna[18]
Carlo Secchi, Professor of European Economic Policy and former Rector, Bocconi University; Vice President, ISPI, Milan; former Member of the Italian Senate and of the European Parliament[28][18]
Tøger Seidenfaden, Editor-in-Chief, Politiken, Copenhagen[18]
Petar Stoyanov, former President of the Republic of Bulgaria; Member of the Bulgarian Parliament; Chairman, Parliamentary Group of United Democratic Forces; Chairman, Union of the Democratic Forces (Bulgaria); Sofia[18]
Harri Tiido, Undersecretary for Political Affairs, Estonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Tallinn; former Ambassador of Estonia and Head of the Estonian Mission to NATO[29], Brussels[18]
George Vassiliou, former Head of the Negotiating Team for the Accession of Cyprus to the European Union; former President of the Republic of Cyprus, former Member of Parliament and Leader of United Democrats; Nicosia[18]
Marko Voljc, Chief Executive Officer, K & H Bank, Budapest; former General Manager of Central Europe Directorate, KBC Bank Insurance Holding, Brussels; former Chief Executive Officer, Nova Ljubljanska Banka, Ljubljana[18]
Panagis Vourloumis, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hellenic Tellecommunications Organization (O.T.E.), Athens[18]
Jusuf Wanandi, Vice Chairman, Board of Trustees; Centre for Strategic and International Studies, Jakarta[18]
Serge Weinberg, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Accor; Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Weinberg Capital Partners; former Chairman Management Board, Pinault-Printemps-Redoute (PPR); former President, Institute of International and Strategic Studies (IRIS), Paris[18]
Heinrich Weiss[30], Chairman, SMS,[31][32] Düsseldorf; former Chairman, Federation of German Industries, Berlin[18]

[edit] Others who are or have been members
Krister Ahlström: Chairman, Ahlstrom Corp.; Vice Chairman, Stora Enso & Fortum; former Chairman, Finnish Employers Confederation
Rona Ambrose: Member of Parliament, Canada
Bodil Nyboe Andersen: Denmark Nationalbank, Copenhagen (Attendee 2005)
John B. Anderson: former US Congressman
Bruce Babbitt: Interior Secretary under Clinton[31]
Francisco Pinto Balsemão
Jim Balsillie: Chairman and Co-CEO of Research In Motion.
Raymond Barre: former French Prime Minister
Lloyd Bentsen: former US Senator and Secretary of the Treasury under Clinton[1]
Georges Berthoin: International Chairman of the European Movement from 1978–1981.
Catherine Ann Bertini: Former United Nations Under Secretary General in Management, former Director of World Food Program.
Maurizio Bevilacqua: Member of Parliament, Canada
Ritt Bjerregaard: Mayor of Copenhagen, Denmark. Danish Social Democrat MP, former Secretary of Education, member of various cabinets; European Commissioner for Environment, Nuclear Safety and Civil Protection in the Santer Commission from 1995 to 1999. (Attendee 1992,1998,2002). Also a Bilderberg attendee.
Tom Bradley (politician): former Mayor of Los Angeles
John H. Bryan: former CEO of Sara Lee bakeries, affiliated with the World Economic Forum and a director on the Boards of Sara Lee, Goldman Sachs, General Motors, British Petroleum and Bank One.
James E. Burke: CEO of Johnson & Johnson from 1976 to 1989.
Sven Burmester: Writer and Explorer, Denmark; former Representative, United Nations Population (Attendee 1998,2002,2005)
George H.W. Bush: Former President of the U.S.[32]
Guido Carli: former Governor of the Banca d'Italia from 1960-1975
Frank Carlucci: President of Carlyle Group, U.S. Secretary of Defense from 1987 to 1989.
Hervé de Carmoy
Jimmy Carter: Former President of the U.S.[33]
Gerhard Casper: Constitutional scholar, faculty member and former President at Stanford University; successor trustee of Yale University and part of the Board of Trustees of the Central European University in Hungary.
**** Cheney: Former Vice President of the U.S.[32]
Warren Christopher: former Secretary of State under Clinton and Deputy Secretary of State under Carterx
Henry Cisneros: HUD Secretary under Clinton[31]
Joe Clark: former Canadian Prime Minister
Bill Clinton: Former President of the U.S.
William Cohen: former Republican Congressman and US Senator, U.S. Secretary of Defense under President Clinton.
Tim Collins: CEO of Ripplewood Holdings LLC investment company; also part of the Yale Divinity School and Yale School of Management board of advisors and U.S.-Japan non-profit organizations.
John Danforth: former US Senator
André Desmarais: President and Co-Chief Executive Officer, Power Corporation of Canada, Montréal, QC; Deputy Chairman, Power Financial Corporation[34]
Hedley Donovan: (deceased) former editor-in-chief of Time magazine,[35] White House Advisor on Domestic and Foreign Policy under Carter, Trilateral Commission founding member[31][33]
Lawrence Eagleburger: former Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush
Bill Emmott: Former editor of The Economist magazine.
Aatos Erkko: Chairman, SanomaWSOY
Lene Espersen: Danish Minister of Culture, former Minister of Justice (Attendee 2002,2005)
Daniel J. Evans: former Governor of Washington
Gaston Eyskens: former Prime Minister of Belgium
Dianne Feinstein: Democratic U.S. Senator, former Mayor of San Francisco, member of the Council on Foreign Relations; chairwoman of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security.
Martin Feldstein: Professor of economics at Harvard University; president and CEO of the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER); chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers from 1982 to 1984; former director of the Council on Foreign Relations; member of the Bilderberg Group and of the World Economic Forum.
Hugh Fletcher: Chancellor of Auckland University and CEO of Fletcher Challenge.
Lykke Friis: Pro-Rector University of Copenhagen, Denmark. Former Head of European Department, Federation of Danish Industries. (Attendee 2005)
Ross Garnaut: Head, Department of Economics, Research School of Pacific and Asian Studies, Australian National University, Canberra.
David Gergen: (personal website) Political consultant and presidential advisor during the Republican administrations of Nixon, Ford and Reagan; also served as advisor to Bill Clinton.[36]
John Glenn: former astronaut, former US Senator and U.S. Presidential candidate[31]
Maldonado Gonelha
Allan Gotlieb: Canadian Ambassador to Washington from 1981 to 1989, chairman of the Canada Council from 1989 to 1994.
Bill Graham: former Canadian Minister of National Defence and Minister of Foreign Affairs under Paul Martin; for most of 2006, interim parliamentary leader of the Liberal Party.
Hank Greenberg: Former chairman and CEO of American International Group (AIG), the world's largest insurance and financial services corporation.
Alan Greenspan: Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve[32]
John Gutfreund: Former CEO of Salomon Brothers
Alexander Haig: former Secretary of State under Reagan
Sirkka Hämäläinen: Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank, Frankfurt-am-Main; former Governor, Bank of Finland
Edward Heath: former British Prime Minister
Mugur Isărescu: Governor of the National Bank of Romania since 1990 and Prime Minister from December 1999 to November 2000; he worked for the Minister of Foreign Affairs then for the Romanian Embassy in the U.S. after the 1989 Romanian revolution.
Max Jakobson: former Finnish ambassador to the United States
Sergei Karaganov: Presidential Advisor to Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin; member of the International Advisory Board of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1995 to 2005.
Henry Kissinger: U.S. diplomat, National Security Advisor and Secretary of State in the Nixon and Ford administrations; former Chairman of the International Advisory Committee of JP Morgan Chase.
Horst Kohler: President of Germany
Max Kohnstamm: Diplomat and historian, son of Philip Kohnstamm.
Joseph Kraft: syndicated columnist[31]
Otto Graf Lambsdorff: Chairman of the German Free Democratic Party from 1993 to 1998; Minister for Economic Affairs for West Germany from 1977 to 1984.
Liam Lawlor: Irish politician who resigned from the Fianna Fáil party; died in a car-crash in Moscow in 2005.
Pierre Lellouche: French MP of the conservative Union for a Popular Movement party led by Nicolas Sarkozy.
Gerald M. Levin: Former CEO of Time Warner, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Mario Vargas Llosa
Peter Lougheed: former Premier of Alberta
Allan MacEachen: former Leader of the Government in the Senate (Canada)
Whitney MacMillan: Chairman Emeritus of Cargill
Jorge Braga de Macedo
Francis Maude: MP for Horsham, the only British MP currently a member of the Trilateral Commission, former Conservative Party Chairman, son of the late Sir Angus Maude MP
Kiichi Miyazawa: Japanese Prime Minister in 1991–1993; Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1974 to 1976, Chief Cabinet Secretary from 1984 to 1986, Minister of Finance in 1987 and again from 1999 to 2002.
Walter Mondale: former Vice President of the U.S. under Carter[31]
Akio Morita: Co-founder of Sony Corporation; vice chairman of the Keidanren (Japan Federation of Economic Organizations) and member of the Japan-U.S. Economic Relations Group.
Brian Mulroney: former Canadian Prime Minister
Lowell Murray: Canadian Senator
Indra Nooyi: CEO of PepsiCo
Shijuro Ogata: Former Deputy Governor, Bank of Japan
Andrzej Olechowski: Polish director of Euronet, USA; on the supervisory boards of Citibank Handlowy and Europejski Fundusz Hipoteczny; president of the Central European Forum; Deputy Governor of the National Bank of Poland from 1989 to 1991; Minister of Foreign Economic Relations from 1991 to 1992; Minister of Finance in 1992 and of Foreign Affairs from 1993 to 1995; economic advisor to President Lech Wałęsa from 1992 to 1993 and in 1995, etc.
Paul H. O'Neill: former Secretary of the Treasury under George W. Bush and former chairman of Alcoa
Henry D. Owen: former Brookings Institution Director and Ambassador at Large for Economic Summit Affairs.
Lucas Papademos: European Central Bank Vice President
Gerry Parsky
Martha Piper: Former Chancellor of UBC
Lee Raymond: Former CEO and Chairman, ExxonMobil, vice chairman of the Board of Trustees of the American Enterprise Institute, director of J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., director and member of the Executive Committee and Policy Committee of the American Petroleum Institute.
Paul Révay
Charles Robb: former US Senator
Mary Robinson: President of Ireland from 1990 to 1997 as a candidate for the Labour Party; United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights from 1997 to 2002.
Dufferin Roblin: former Premier of Manitoba
Carl Rowan: syndicated columnist[31]
Jorgen Schleimann: Denmark. (Attendee 1992,1998,2002)
Brent Scowcroft: former National Security Advisor[33] under former Presidents Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush; Vice Chairman of Kissinger Associates, Inc.[37]
[38]

William Scranton: former Governor of Pennsylvania
Tøger Seidenfaden: Editor-in-Chief, Politiken,Denmark . Member since 2005. Also a Bilderberg attendee since 1995
Donna Shalala: Secretary of Health and Human Services under Clinton[31]
Gerard C. Smith: First U.S. Chairman of the Trilateral Commission; chief U.S. delegate to the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks of 1969.
Anthony M. Solomon: former President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Miguel Sousa Soares: Management Consultant, EMPORDEF, MDN (Portugal) from 2005.
Ted Sorensen: former special adviser to President Kennedy[3]
Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa: Leader of the Social Democratic Party (Portugal) from 1996 to 1999.
Ron Southern: Chairman of the Board and majority shareholder of ATCO
Jessica Stern: Former United States National Security Council staff member, author, and lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government.
Thorvald Stoltenberg: Norwegian politician, holds a seat on the Trilateral Commission's Executive Committee.
Peter Straarup: Chairman of the Executive Board, Danske Bank, Copenhagen, Denmark; Chairman, the Danish Bankers Association. (Attendee 2002,2005)
Han Sung-Joo
Robert Taft Jr.: former US Senator
James R. Thompson: former Governor of Illinois
Niels Thygesen: Denmark. (Attendee: 1992,1998,2002)
George Vasiliou: President of the Republic of Cyprus from 1988 to 1993, founder and leader of the Cypriot United Democrats party.
Takeshi Watanabe
Caspar Weinberger: Secretary of Defense under Reagan[31]
Paul Wolfowitz: Former President of the World Bank, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense and a prominent member of the neo-conservatives in Washington.
Tadashi Yamamoto
Isamu Yama****a
Andrew Young: former United States Ambassador to the United Nations
Robert Zoellick: President of the World Bank, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State, former U.S. Trade Representative[34].
Karel Schwarzenberg: former chancellor of Czech President and current Minister of Foreign Affairs

Where was those who were supposed to be listening to the "voice" when Washington was recieving thousands of calls a minute saying no bailout? Who is listening to these voices when Obama refuses to listen to those who are calling for the legalization of Marijuana? His little town hall online recieved so many votes for that question, that Mr.Obama had no choice but to mention it.

Where is it that I post "Conspiracy webs"? Did Bush not take us into an undeclared war of aggression? Did Obama not vote to renew the patriot act or vote to fund the war?

No conspiracy is needed to explain why he has this cult of personality, they used the same brainwashing techniques they used to get Bu****es behind him and when the poll numbers fall sufficiently enough, beware the false flag terror.

I can prove I'm not working on theories, because the things I post are what these Globalists talk about... Is China's calling for One World Currency a "theory"? No. Is the Government passing legislation to authorize Fema camps a "theory"? no. Is all these Globalists getting on the T.V. calling for One world Government a theory? I don't think so, tell me, where am I talking about theories?

Wow, David, I had not heard of that conspiracy, or at least not by that name...lol There are just too many.

Look I see it in some of the posts, if you do not feel that way I cannot make you see what you cannot see. I have read many of the articles you post before they are posted by you here. I read and look at the agenda behind it and decide if it is probably more conspiracy type stuff or not.

I am pointing out that the barrage of people talking about how we are at the mercy of all these evil people who cannot be stopped is defeatist.

Do I think Bush was an evil man, sure. He did not have the American people at heart at any point in his presidency. Do I feel that Obama has to be the same because there are common people in the mix, hell no. Politicians are all associated at one level or another. Again, that to me is conspiracy theororing...lol... if you do not feel that way that is okay, we are both correct for ourselves.

I gave you my reason for not believing. It is nothing personal, you have the right to believe it and continue what you do.

oh my god!!!

you think wikipedia is a conspiracy???

why do you call it a "conspiracy"???

simple common sense conflict of interest will do thank you, lol...

does that make you feel better, lol...

if the all the largest retailers of world, and all the leaders of governments, and the biggest and most powerful banks in the world, all the most powerful and prestigious universities, the most powerful players on wall street, all meet behind close doors, is this a conflict of intertest???

do you know if one controller of a large company, is caught meeting with a another large competitor, to discuss prize ceilings of their joint products, this is a conflict of interest, and a federal offense???

why did martha stewart go to jail???

a buddy telling her when to sell???

so all these one's listed meet in private, and resort and vacation together, and there is no buddy system effectively created???

no conflict of interest???

give any common sense a break!!!

do we not have a house and senate and a congress for the very sake of keeping this type of thing from happening???

to balance the power???

are we not to keep honesty in check???

ultimate power doth corrupt it was once said???

did you not notice each company being bailed out is a member???

did you not notice the private defense contractor's building all and anything for the military are members???

funny damn stuff i tell ya, lol...

just busts out my sides with laughter, lol...

i don't believe in "evil" people.

all people have human weakness???

power is a weakness for anything human???

is honesty a human weakness???

natural, not evil AT ALL!!!

we have check and balances in place, because we all love each other, and don't set each other up with pitfalls???

put there and in place by smart and wise people, to keep power in check, honesty in check, greed in check, racketeering of power in check???

just because oneself does not wish for power, and is honest, does not mean other's are like self???

the government is not daddy of the people, the people are the DADDY OF THE GOVERNMENT???

disentor's voice's have been the only thing that has created and brought all the peace we have right now this second, and preserved integrity and valor and freedom of human dignity and love???

disent is one half of good governement, and consent be the other half!!!

all consent make a sad story indeed.

okay David you made your point. I will concede that those who can see what others cannot are sometimes the pioneers of what is needed.

Those who dig for the truth are the discoverers and light givers.

I guess they serve a purpose but in large doses without balance it can be overwhelming for those citizens who need to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

As for the evil of humans, all humans have the capability. Doesn't make the ones who choose that path better for it though.

well, call it what you will...

i don't think love see's evil, just lost the trail of the happy path a bit, lol...

all are equal to me is the basis for any fair, for any just, for a integrity...

if you check out "council of foreign relations" at wikipedia, i think it would change your life, and put to rest the stuff you heard since a little girl, as that stuff plague the mind always, until it is actually addressed and faced and factulized or debunked...

it is always there, a little invisible pressure like a monkey on the back.........FEAR.

you are empassioned for justice, and love, this i surely do see and know and hear in your words, and there has been a lot of effort to promote the discrediting of words such as "conspiracy", lol...

but look thru the smoke and mirror's....

the common sense you use and speak here i know would see thru all the "emotions of certain words"...

look at the list of corporate members of the "presidential circle"...

it amazes me that such can and could actually happen...

peace girl

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/213950

First, sometimes when you see a light at the end of the tunnel, it means you're already dead.


The idea that I cannot see,what? what I choose not to see? Give me a break, these things are not my words, my works or my ideas, these things are what those I'm pointing my venom at are in fact doing, it's only refutable, if you're head is in the sand or if you have chosen to place your faith in something false.

I've never said anything about them not being able to be defeated, but if we can't get Americans to start acting like Americans and to put away this childish, manufactured tribalism of the Left/Right, we are in deep feces.


The Trilateral Commision shows just how deep we are in the crap to begin with, Kissinger, Brzezinski are supposed to be right and left, yet they work for the same goals of a Unilateral World power?

Coincidence theorists, we have to get some reading done, Brzezinski's grand chess board or the Memoirs of David Rockefeller. These folks count on Americans not reading this stuff and they openly talk about doing the very things I point my finger at.

women are the great sight judge of equal, of perfect, and indeed even have a sixth sense for what cling to either the left or right, as the path be straight down the middle???

to grab to left, embrace as truth, to grab to the right, and embrace as truth, to allow self to see the equal straight path, calling a spade a spade, but a spade also complete the deck???

it is not expected that anything will see the good in a one world, but indeed, evem all myths tell of a period of time, every so many thousand years, and all religions said god love the world, so to think of one world, in inception, as an evil alone, distract from what is more, as all religions in the very roots indeed, were first founded from a time once when there was one world peace, and have only been seeking with partial data as true, to re-create it???

one world peace, and in the present days, is possible, and indeed shall even be, and ahow such is possible, and is to be born out of what look like heaps of ****, shall be a paradox to any mind, that has not lifted itself, to the courage to find in itself, how each thing the mind say is bad, there must be another half that exist, of how it is also good, to complete the coin, never allowing the mind to rest, with only but half the story, as something as only negative, and is indeed it seems the only way to complete the logic to a whole logic, that include the left and right, both sides of the coin, as a new coin, a better logic, one that know how to make peace, and not more war, that once only seen but half the coin.

many gold coins shall pour forth indeed.

peace to peace to peace

Okay, I do understand your point. I disagree still to some extent with the amount of it you try to portray but I will concede there is probably more than I am aware.

The problem I see here is there is not solutions offered, ever. If these people see these things and if they have solid PROOF, they are not offering a solution or changing it, just running off at the mouth about it with no end in sight.

Solutions would be nice or an avenue to a solution would be nice. And telling that the whole thing needs to be over thrown, dimantled is not a valid solution because it will never happen.

dragoness, i suspect you would love the new U2 album, and it is free to listen to at U2 DOT COM, under NO LINE ON THE HORIZON...

men are warrior's passed down from passed days, used to clubing over the head for it's meat and it's families meat, and in reality, this alone make for the clinging to what is hard to see it but fear of self preservation of one, or of some, but indeed, only looking thru the eye's of all as equally valuable, no matter the background or occupation or achievement or qualifications, will be able to find the source of energy and greater logic, that stream thru the air, free for the hearing for all and any that deem all as equal and one, no matter how misguided it may appear something is or has been.

it only take a nudge, a slight smooth non fearful adjustment, to steer a car around a pothole, and eratic steering only cause self and other's more fear, which is enslavement to misery.

sure, unveil the fear, recognize it as real, address it, solve with all remedies self has in it's current power and possession, and embrace the consequences of what self cannot solve alone, even as good as already having happened, and self steer like an indy car driver.

peace

Solutions are in fact offered by those you speak of. More freedom, less government. Remain true to our constitution. That is all any of us really ask for.

That is not a solution to the problem, it is a rhetoric repeated in hopes of catching hold.

We have complete freedom now. There is no more needed. I am unhindered by my government at all. I feel no hindering from them. Smaller government is not feasible with an exploding population, more government will be needed the more people they have to govern, not a solution, a rhetoric.

Getting back to the old days is not possible either. Humans evolve with time, we change and we realize the new needs and problems that arise. There is no way to stay stuck in the mud of the past and grow with the times.

Either the constitution is a document that is a foundation to grow on or we are doomed to fail by staying stuck in the past. So that solution is not valid either.

I want solutions that are here and now with what we are dealing with today.

I got from this that man and women think differently which I agree. And that we must start fixing the problems of society by first fixing or healing ourselves from the inside. If that is not correct, sorry.

How is that not a solution. Im sorry i fail to see why everyone's problems must be taken care of the Uncle Sam as if he is our parent. Many, many things were just fine before they started to intervene. I encounter many problems and i'm hindered all the time by the government. Ever try to build a house? Drive a car? My father bought a truck two years ago. Paid $1200 to register it. Granted it lowers about $200 a year, but that's just rediculous. Inspection stickers, etc. It all has a purpose, but it is hindering.

My sister built a house. She needed a permit for each step of the construction (pumbing, heating, foundation, leachbed, electric, etc.) Each permit cost her a thousand dollars or more. Than they tax her on the number of rooms she has for impact fees. Theres a few thousand more there. She single, has no children, yet she pays these impact fees as if she has one for every room.

Don't get me started on anything else. Point is, you can't go through life without Uncle Sam taking at least half of your income. This was not the intention our forefathers had.

They left England to escape this. All they wanted were the basic responsibilities for our government. That is, to uphold the law (the constitution), and defend us from foreign invaders.

So far, the government as a whole is doing a poor job of that. But a really good job at controlling it's citizens.

You are right. The constitution as meant to grow. However, it was never meant to be changed. Can't overwright laws that already existed. But they do. Federal Reserve Act of 1913 is one example. In fact, it is the cause of our financial mess.

Not sure why i am even attempting to debate this with you. I somehow still believe that you still have SOME knowledge of history and SOME belief in Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...