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Taxes are a cost of freedom without them the government could not do it's job. Is it's job mastery over us? No You can set up roots and do as you will anywhere you want as long as you pay your taxes like the rest of us and that is as it should be. freedoms and taxes have little to do with each other - other than the protection of those freedoms by military spending. The truth is, where you believe that taxation and social programs protect the "freedoms" of the poor, they in fact remove liberties of everyone not receiving the benefits. They do no such thing. That is rhetoric that tries to incite anger and frustration. Wait, how is that not true, just plastering the rhetoric line isn't enough. If I don't have kids, but Government takes taxes from me by force, by threat of imprisonment, to fund the schools, how does that not infringe on my liberties? |
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Welfare has term limits now. So that doesn't happen anymore. As for everything that you listed. Building stuff is a necessity regardless to the cost of the permits or whatever. If I build a house without permits using shoddy building materials and bad electrical and plumbing and after building it I decided to sell it to someone else who did not know that the building could not hold a piano or a hot tub because it was not built up to code and they died because of my bad decisions when building that would be my fault but noone would probably be able to pin it on me. They are a necessity. Safety helmets and seat belts are really for the drivers or passengers own good. How infringing is that anyway? Drugs are a whole bigger ball of wax that would take a whole lot of discussion. It is more of an impact on society than just the responsibility of the drug user. So we cannot go over that right now but they are right to restrict the use of and abuse of them. Whether they go about it right, I might say that is not effective. The greater good should be balanced. If we go to allowing the government to govern the complete greater good for all citizens then we would not be allowed to ski, sky dive, mountain climb, swim in the ocean, camp in the wilderness, race cars, most sports, no weaponry at all including blades, fattening food, cigs, no alcohol, minimal driving, no motorcycles, no soda, etc.... So to imply the government is styfling is an exaggeration. When all of these things are contraban and more then we can complain about our freedoms. First, the taxation thing, schools, roads that kind of thing is mainly taken care of by the states. Federal Government provides some funds, but not if the school doesn't teach what our Central Government commands them too, case in point, Bush's Abstinence only crap. Also, there is supposed to be no taxation without representation, who represents whom, when they pass bailouts and stimulus packages and huge spending bills loaded with bizarre earmarks even though it went in opposition to what the Citizenry has been screaming for them to do, which is stop all the free money. Second, all this talk about Government ruling over all would be just freaking peachy if we had angels in government, but it's been shown that it takes a certain type of meglomaniac to seek the footholds of extreme power without having to be talked into it (Paul and Kucinich come to mind, they had to be talked into it) The solution has been expressed, return to rule under the Constitution, return to sound money, stop the money presses and the out of control spending and educate and learn. Property rights are usurped, states rights are usurped, power continues to be centralized in an uninterested and corrupt system, how can Obama claim to want to clean up banking, by utilizing a system thats patently just as dirty, if not more? Also rhetoric and maybe not a solid view of the reality. I would not want to return to the past, sorry, it is not so glorious of a past to want to return to. The constitution is designed as a building block it was never meant to stand alone nor forever. |
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If the government isn't to be our masters explain seat belt laws, or laws against drugs. Explain why i need to get permission to add a porch on to my house, on property i already own. Explain WHY i have to pay 50% of my income now, and when i'm a doctor, 75% of my income then (this discourages people from advancing)? Explain why when i ask the IRS to track my money, and report to me where it went they won't. Explain to me why i have to pay for these things i don't approve of, and that don't benefit me at all? Taxes are necessary. But you fail to understand our excessive, wasteful spending is causing our taxes to be 2 or 3 times higher than it should be. The key word here dragoness is "add". "Not scratch this rule out." Within these guidelines we add to the document. The guidlines are set up ensure the government doesn't collapse or inprison us. That is why they are there. In fact that brings me to my next point. Our founder fathers were much, much smarter than our leaders today. We SHOULD have evolved. But instead we are using techniques that have failed countless times in the past. Our founding fathers knew this. That's why they gave our governmenr rules like; gold and silve coin being the only legal tender. And rules like congress having the power to issue money, and regulate the value thereof (NOT A PRIVATE MONOPOLIZING BANK). Fiat currency, which is our dollar, has caused many civilizations to crash. I admire the founding fathers also, but to say they are smarter than us today is a stretch. The evolution of man continues on as it should and we need to continue to grow not look back and stay stuck. We need to build on their ideals not use them as the only way to go forever. Their ideals were limited government power, responsible government spending, more power to local government and less to the federal. Its not a stretch to say they were smarter. They knew their history. They knew what DIDN'T work. They also looked at things that would eventually destroy us and tried to prevent that. But as Jefferson said, "its a necessary consequence". Our problem is, in thinking about the future, we forget about the past. It's ok to learn from our mistakes, but instead, we seem to want to repeat them. Your opinion and maybe not a valid view because it is skewed by rhetoric and insinutation. The founders weren't smarter? Ben Franklin wasn't smarter than Nancy Pelosi? Thomas Jefferson wasn't smarter than Newt Gingrich? What was the last thing that Harry Reid invented? When was the last time John McCain wrote anything near the Federalist Papers? |
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Welfare has term limits now. So that doesn't happen anymore. As for everything that you listed. Building stuff is a necessity regardless to the cost of the permits or whatever. If I build a house without permits using shoddy building materials and bad electrical and plumbing and after building it I decided to sell it to someone else who did not know that the building could not hold a piano or a hot tub because it was not built up to code and they died because of my bad decisions when building that would be my fault but noone would probably be able to pin it on me. They are a necessity. Safety helmets and seat belts are really for the drivers or passengers own good. How infringing is that anyway? Drugs are a whole bigger ball of wax that would take a whole lot of discussion. It is more of an impact on society than just the responsibility of the drug user. So we cannot go over that right now but they are right to restrict the use of and abuse of them. Whether they go about it right, I might say that is not effective. The greater good should be balanced. If we go to allowing the government to govern the complete greater good for all citizens then we would not be allowed to ski, sky dive, mountain climb, swim in the ocean, camp in the wilderness, race cars, most sports, no weaponry at all including blades, fattening food, cigs, no alcohol, minimal driving, no motorcycles, no soda, etc.... So to imply the government is styfling is an exaggeration. When all of these things are contraban and more then we can complain about our freedoms. First, the taxation thing, schools, roads that kind of thing is mainly taken care of by the states. Federal Government provides some funds, but not if the school doesn't teach what our Central Government commands them too, case in point, Bush's Abstinence only crap. Also, there is supposed to be no taxation without representation, who represents whom, when they pass bailouts and stimulus packages and huge spending bills loaded with bizarre earmarks even though it went in opposition to what the Citizenry has been screaming for them to do, which is stop all the free money. Second, all this talk about Government ruling over all would be just freaking peachy if we had angels in government, but it's been shown that it takes a certain type of meglomaniac to seek the footholds of extreme power without having to be talked into it (Paul and Kucinich come to mind, they had to be talked into it) The solution has been expressed, return to rule under the Constitution, return to sound money, stop the money presses and the out of control spending and educate and learn. Property rights are usurped, states rights are usurped, power continues to be centralized in an uninterested and corrupt system, how can Obama claim to want to clean up banking, by utilizing a system thats patently just as dirty, if not more? Also rhetoric and maybe not a solid view of the reality. I would not want to return to the past, sorry, it is not so glorious of a past to want to return to. The constitution is designed as a building block it was never meant to stand alone nor forever.  Thats right.  The past wasn't so great.
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Taxes are a cost of freedom without them the government could not do it's job. Is it's job mastery over us? No You can set up roots and do as you will anywhere you want as long as you pay your taxes like the rest of us and that is as it should be. freedoms and taxes have little to do with each other - other than the protection of those freedoms by military spending. The truth is, where you believe that taxation and social programs protect the "freedoms" of the poor, they in fact remove liberties of everyone not receiving the benefits. They do no such thing. That is rhetoric that tries to incite anger and frustration. Wait, how is that not true, just plastering the rhetoric line isn't enough. If I don't have kids, but Government takes taxes from me by force, by threat of imprisonment, to fund the schools, how does that not infringe on my liberties? If you protest those taxes, don't pay them in protest. How else will a protest be known if noone stand on their ideals. I say don't pay them if you don't like the taxes. While you fight that battle I will continue to pay my taxes that do not bother me and fight some other battles of my own. Let me know how it turns out. |
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If the government isn't to be our masters explain seat belt laws, or laws against drugs. Explain why i need to get permission to add a porch on to my house, on property i already own. Explain WHY i have to pay 50% of my income now, and when i'm a doctor, 75% of my income then (this discourages people from advancing)? Explain why when i ask the IRS to track my money, and report to me where it went they won't. Explain to me why i have to pay for these things i don't approve of, and that don't benefit me at all? Taxes are necessary. But you fail to understand our excessive, wasteful spending is causing our taxes to be 2 or 3 times higher than it should be. The key word here dragoness is "add". "Not scratch this rule out." Within these guidelines we add to the document. The guidlines are set up ensure the government doesn't collapse or inprison us. That is why they are there. In fact that brings me to my next point. Our founder fathers were much, much smarter than our leaders today. We SHOULD have evolved. But instead we are using techniques that have failed countless times in the past. Our founding fathers knew this. That's why they gave our governmenr rules like; gold and silve coin being the only legal tender. And rules like congress having the power to issue money, and regulate the value thereof (NOT A PRIVATE MONOPOLIZING BANK). Fiat currency, which is our dollar, has caused many civilizations to crash. I admire the founding fathers also, but to say they are smarter than us today is a stretch. The evolution of man continues on as it should and we need to continue to grow not look back and stay stuck. We need to build on their ideals not use them as the only way to go forever. Their ideals were limited government power, responsible government spending, more power to local government and less to the federal. Its not a stretch to say they were smarter. They knew their history. They knew what DIDN'T work. They also looked at things that would eventually destroy us and tried to prevent that. But as Jefferson said, "its a necessary consequence". Our problem is, in thinking about the future, we forget about the past. It's ok to learn from our mistakes, but instead, we seem to want to repeat them. Your opinion and maybe not a valid view because it is skewed by rhetoric and insinutation. The founders weren't smarter? Ben Franklin wasn't smarter than Nancy Pelosi? Thomas Jefferson wasn't smarter than Newt Gingrich? What was the last thing that Harry Reid invented? When was the last time John McCain wrote anything near the Federalist Papers? I see your point. But I think people had different aptitudes than they do now.
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If the government isn't to be our masters explain seat belt laws, or laws against drugs. Explain why i need to get permission to add a porch on to my house, on property i already own. Explain WHY i have to pay 50% of my income now, and when i'm a doctor, 75% of my income then (this discourages people from advancing)? Explain why when i ask the IRS to track my money, and report to me where it went they won't. Explain to me why i have to pay for these things i don't approve of, and that don't benefit me at all? Taxes are necessary. But you fail to understand our excessive, wasteful spending is causing our taxes to be 2 or 3 times higher than it should be. The key word here dragoness is "add". "Not scratch this rule out." Within these guidelines we add to the document. The guidlines are set up ensure the government doesn't collapse or inprison us. That is why they are there. In fact that brings me to my next point. Our founder fathers were much, much smarter than our leaders today. We SHOULD have evolved. But instead we are using techniques that have failed countless times in the past. Our founding fathers knew this. That's why they gave our governmenr rules like; gold and silve coin being the only legal tender. And rules like congress having the power to issue money, and regulate the value thereof (NOT A PRIVATE MONOPOLIZING BANK). Fiat currency, which is our dollar, has caused many civilizations to crash. I admire the founding fathers also, but to say they are smarter than us today is a stretch. The evolution of man continues on as it should and we need to continue to grow not look back and stay stuck. We need to build on their ideals not use them as the only way to go forever. Their ideals were limited government power, responsible government spending, more power to local government and less to the federal. Its not a stretch to say they were smarter. They knew their history. They knew what DIDN'T work. They also looked at things that would eventually destroy us and tried to prevent that. But as Jefferson said, "its a necessary consequence". Our problem is, in thinking about the future, we forget about the past. It's ok to learn from our mistakes, but instead, we seem to want to repeat them. Your opinion and maybe not a valid view because it is skewed by rhetoric and insinutation. The founders weren't smarter? Ben Franklin wasn't smarter than Nancy Pelosi? Thomas Jefferson wasn't smarter than Newt Gingrich? What was the last thing that Harry Reid invented? When was the last time John McCain wrote anything near the Federalist Papers? So are you saying they were gods then? Because we have to be smarter than them now just by pure evolution. I don't want to return to the old way because it was not so great. I want a progressive government not a stagnate one. |
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not everyone evolves in a better way. what exactly is making what others say rhetoric?
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Taxes are a cost of freedom without them the government could not do it's job. Is it's job mastery over us? No You can set up roots and do as you will anywhere you want as long as you pay your taxes like the rest of us and that is as it should be. freedoms and taxes have little to do with each other - other than the protection of those freedoms by military spending. The truth is, where you believe that taxation and social programs protect the "freedoms" of the poor, they in fact remove liberties of everyone not receiving the benefits. The ones not receiving benefits now could need them some day. All it takes is a bad car accident, a stroke, a disease even a natural disaster. They might even need them when they grow old. You just don't know when lighten may strike. |
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Welfare has term limits now. So that doesn't happen anymore. As for everything that you listed. Building stuff is a necessity regardless to the cost of the permits or whatever. If I build a house without permits using shoddy building materials and bad electrical and plumbing and after building it I decided to sell it to someone else who did not know that the building could not hold a piano or a hot tub because it was not built up to code and they died because of my bad decisions when building that would be my fault but noone would probably be able to pin it on me. They are a necessity. Safety helmets and seat belts are really for the drivers or passengers own good. How infringing is that anyway? Drugs are a whole bigger ball of wax that would take a whole lot of discussion. It is more of an impact on society than just the responsibility of the drug user. So we cannot go over that right now but they are right to restrict the use of and abuse of them. Whether they go about it right, I might say that is not effective. The greater good should be balanced. If we go to allowing the government to govern the complete greater good for all citizens then we would not be allowed to ski, sky dive, mountain climb, swim in the ocean, camp in the wilderness, race cars, most sports, no weaponry at all including blades, fattening food, cigs, no alcohol, minimal driving, no motorcycles, no soda, etc.... So to imply the government is styfling is an exaggeration. When all of these things are contraban and more then we can complain about our freedoms. First, the taxation thing, schools, roads that kind of thing is mainly taken care of by the states. Federal Government provides some funds, but not if the school doesn't teach what our Central Government commands them too, case in point, Bush's Abstinence only crap. Also, there is supposed to be no taxation without representation, who represents whom, when they pass bailouts and stimulus packages and huge spending bills loaded with bizarre earmarks even though it went in opposition to what the Citizenry has been screaming for them to do, which is stop all the free money. Second, all this talk about Government ruling over all would be just freaking peachy if we had angels in government, but it's been shown that it takes a certain type of meglomaniac to seek the footholds of extreme power without having to be talked into it (Paul and Kucinich come to mind, they had to be talked into it) The solution has been expressed, return to rule under the Constitution, return to sound money, stop the money presses and the out of control spending and educate and learn. Property rights are usurped, states rights are usurped, power continues to be centralized in an uninterested and corrupt system, how can Obama claim to want to clean up banking, by utilizing a system thats patently just as dirty, if not more? Also rhetoric and maybe not a solid view of the reality. I would not want to return to the past, sorry, it is not so glorious of a past to want to return to. The constitution is designed as a building block it was never meant to stand alone nor forever. okay, now this is wrong on its face, The Constitution was not some building block, it's design was to restrict Government and insure that they couldn't amass enough central power to usurp the rights of the Citizenry. While a return to the exact past isn't necessary, a blind march into a future that only Government gets to shape is just flat dangerous. Now, what part of my post isn't "a solid view of reality" or rhetoric. States rights over Federal power was exactly what the founders had in mind. When the bailout was being crafted, Americans crashed the Congressional servers and locked up the phones, they estimated they were recieving more than a 1,000 calls a minute. What's rhetorical about the statement that all this power grabbing would be utopia if Angels were in our government, but we have blood cult demons in power, so it's not some star trek utopia, it's gonna be totalitarianism. |
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Welfare has term limits now. So that doesn't happen anymore. As for everything that you listed. Building stuff is a necessity regardless to the cost of the permits or whatever. If I build a house without permits using shoddy building materials and bad electrical and plumbing and after building it I decided to sell it to someone else who did not know that the building could not hold a piano or a hot tub because it was not built up to code and they died because of my bad decisions when building that would be my fault but noone would probably be able to pin it on me. They are a necessity. Safety helmets and seat belts are really for the drivers or passengers own good. How infringing is that anyway? Drugs are a whole bigger ball of wax that would take a whole lot of discussion. It is more of an impact on society than just the responsibility of the drug user. So we cannot go over that right now but they are right to restrict the use of and abuse of them. Whether they go about it right, I might say that is not effective. The greater good should be balanced. If we go to allowing the government to govern the complete greater good for all citizens then we would not be allowed to ski, sky dive, mountain climb, swim in the ocean, camp in the wilderness, race cars, most sports, no weaponry at all including blades, fattening food, cigs, no alcohol, minimal driving, no motorcycles, no soda, etc.... So to imply the government is styfling is an exaggeration. When all of these things are contraban and more then we can complain about our freedoms. First, the taxation thing, schools, roads that kind of thing is mainly taken care of by the states. Federal Government provides some funds, but not if the school doesn't teach what our Central Government commands them too, case in point, Bush's Abstinence only crap. Also, there is supposed to be no taxation without representation, who represents whom, when they pass bailouts and stimulus packages and huge spending bills loaded with bizarre earmarks even though it went in opposition to what the Citizenry has been screaming for them to do, which is stop all the free money. Second, all this talk about Government ruling over all would be just freaking peachy if we had angels in government, but it's been shown that it takes a certain type of meglomaniac to seek the footholds of extreme power without having to be talked into it (Paul and Kucinich come to mind, they had to be talked into it) The solution has been expressed, return to rule under the Constitution, return to sound money, stop the money presses and the out of control spending and educate and learn. Property rights are usurped, states rights are usurped, power continues to be centralized in an uninterested and corrupt system, how can Obama claim to want to clean up banking, by utilizing a system thats patently just as dirty, if not more? Also rhetoric and maybe not a solid view of the reality. I would not want to return to the past, sorry, it is not so glorious of a past to want to return to. The constitution is designed as a building block it was never meant to stand alone nor forever. okay, now this is wrong on its face, The Constitution was not some building block, it's design was to restrict Government and insure that they couldn't amass enough central power to usurp the rights of the Citizenry. While a return to the exact past isn't necessary, a blind march into a future that only Government gets to shape is just flat dangerous. Now, what part of my post isn't "a solid view of reality" or rhetoric. States rights over Federal power was exactly what the founders had in mind. When the bailout was being crafted, Americans crashed the Congressional servers and locked up the phones, they estimated they were recieving more than a 1,000 calls a minute. What's rhetorical about the statement that all this power grabbing would be utopia if Angels were in our government, but we have blood cult demons in power, so it's not some star trek utopia, it's gonna be totalitarianism. Now we get back to what I call conspiracy theories again. We will not be socialist here and we will not be communist here. I agree people need to be involved in the government, I am completely involved. Do you realize how long people have been screaming the rhetoric you bring up? A long long time. This is nothing new. I have been hearing it since I was young. It was going to happen since then. I will say though as David pointed out to me. It serves it's purpose, it is part of the balance. So keep up the good work as you are the balance to the far left politics. |
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I think you need to read our constitution, and some writings that our founding fathers may have written. Every part of the constitution has a purpose. It's purpose is to balance the power between the branches of government, and the people. This balance is crucial to maintain a healthy growth. It isn't a list of suggestions, but laws written in stone. You can expand upon these laws, but you can't overwrite them.
Government is too big. Big governments, like big companies, or any hugh organization becomes unmanagable. We have reached the point where our government became unmanagable. We also reached a point where we are being ruled. This, if your read anything of U.S. history, was never the intention behind our country's development. Spend responsibly, expand only when needed. This is the ideal i preach. Somehow you call that unrealistic. What sense does it bring to blow money? Logic. It is nice to exercise. Especially when running a country. |
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Taxes are a cost of freedom without them the government could not do it's job. Is it's job mastery over us? No You can set up roots and do as you will anywhere you want as long as you pay your taxes like the rest of us and that is as it should be. freedoms and taxes have little to do with each other - other than the protection of those freedoms by military spending. The truth is, where you believe that taxation and social programs protect the "freedoms" of the poor, they in fact remove liberties of everyone not receiving the benefits. They do no such thing. That is rhetoric that tries to incite anger and frustration. Wait, how is that not true, just plastering the rhetoric line isn't enough. If I don't have kids, but Government takes taxes from me by force, by threat of imprisonment, to fund the schools, how does that not infringe on my liberties? If you protest those taxes, don't pay them in protest. How else will a protest be known if noone stand on their ideals. I say don't pay them if you don't like the taxes. While you fight that battle I will continue to pay my taxes that do not bother me and fight some other battles of my own. Let me know how it turns out. Ah, but not paying taxes is a freedom we truly do not have. We are legally bound to pay them whether we like them or not. Every tax dollar I pay for some welfare program is removing my personal liberty to spend that money elsewhere. I receive no monetary aide from the federal government yet my liberties are smaller because of all those that do. The ones not receiving benefits now could need them some day. All it takes is a bad car accident, a stroke, a disease even a natural disaster. They might even need them when they grow old. You just don't know when lighten may strike. But that's what private insurance is for. I have renter's insurance in the case of a house fire. I have medical in the case of illness or personal injury. I have auto insurance in the case of a bad car accident. I have a 401k, IRA, and personal investments (that are much smaller now but I still have 35-40 years) for my retirement. I handle all those needs in the private market and rely on the government for none of them. Social programs exist on the fallacy that they correct some universal wrong that is predetermined by our status at birth. if you are poor, it's not your fault. in reality, nearly everyone has the same liberties. The opportunities of the wealthy may be more numerous, but the poor, if they have the drive, can attain the same level of wealth as anyone else that is not blessed with a large inheritance. Look at LA - 50% dropout rate from the educational system. Therein lies your largest problem: the poor youth of this nation are not taking advantage of the resources that will help them the most. They are content with living in squalor and allowing the government to "help" them. |
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I think you need to read our constitution, and some writings that our founding fathers may have written. Every part of the constitution has a purpose. It's purpose is to balance the power between the branches of government, and the people. This balance is crucial to maintain a healthy growth. It isn't a list of suggestions, but laws written in stone. You can expand upon these laws, but you can't overwrite them. Government is too big. Big governments, like big companies, or any hugh organization becomes unmanagable. We have reached the point where our government became unmanagable. We also reached a point where we are being ruled. This, if your read anything of U.S. history, was never the intention behind our country's development. Spend responsibly, expand only when needed. This is the ideal i preach. Somehow you call that unrealistic. What sense does it bring to blow money? Logic. It is nice to exercise. Especially when running a country. I will say though as David pointed out to me. It serves it's purpose, it is part of the balance. So keep up the good work as you are the balance to the far left politics. |
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I think you need to read our constitution, and some writings that our founding fathers may have written. Every part of the constitution has a purpose. It's purpose is to balance the power between the branches of government, and the people. This balance is crucial to maintain a healthy growth. It isn't a list of suggestions, but laws written in stone. You can expand upon these laws, but you can't overwrite them. Government is too big. Big governments, like big companies, or any hugh organization becomes unmanagable. We have reached the point where our government became unmanagable. We also reached a point where we are being ruled. This, if your read anything of U.S. history, was never the intention behind our country's development. Spend responsibly, expand only when needed. This is the ideal i preach. Somehow you call that unrealistic. What sense does it bring to blow money? Logic. It is nice to exercise. Especially when running a country. good ideals. i think there are a few that need to read up on how the expansion of Rome and the government was a large factor in it's downfall. |
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Taxes are a cost of freedom without them the government could not do it's job. Is it's job mastery over us? No You can set up roots and do as you will anywhere you want as long as you pay your taxes like the rest of us and that is as it should be. freedoms and taxes have little to do with each other - other than the protection of those freedoms by military spending. The truth is, where you believe that taxation and social programs protect the "freedoms" of the poor, they in fact remove liberties of everyone not receiving the benefits. They do no such thing. That is rhetoric that tries to incite anger and frustration. Wait, how is that not true, just plastering the rhetoric line isn't enough. If I don't have kids, but Government takes taxes from me by force, by threat of imprisonment, to fund the schools, how does that not infringe on my liberties? If you protest those taxes, don't pay them in protest. How else will a protest be known if noone stand on their ideals. I say don't pay them if you don't like the taxes. While you fight that battle I will continue to pay my taxes that do not bother me and fight some other battles of my own. Let me know how it turns out. Ah, but not paying taxes is a freedom we truly do not have. We are legally bound to pay them whether we like them or not. Every tax dollar I pay for some welfare program is removing my personal liberty to spend that money elsewhere. I receive no monetary aide from the federal government yet my liberties are smaller because of all those that do. The ones not receiving benefits now could need them some day. All it takes is a bad car accident, a stroke, a disease even a natural disaster. They might even need them when they grow old. You just don't know when lighten may strike. But that's what private insurance is for. I have renter's insurance in the case of a house fire. I have medical in the case of illness or personal injury. I have auto insurance in the case of a bad car accident. I have a 401k, IRA, and personal investments (that are much smaller now but I still have 35-40 years) for my retirement. I handle all those needs in the private market and rely on the government for none of them. Social programs exist on the fallacy that they correct some universal wrong that is predetermined by our status at birth. if you are poor, it's not your fault. in reality, nearly everyone has the same liberties. The opportunities of the wealthy may be more numerous, but the poor, if they have the drive, can attain the same level of wealth as anyone else that is not blessed with a large inheritance. Look at LA - 50% dropout rate from the educational system. Therein lies your largest problem: the poor youth of this nation are not taking advantage of the resources that will help them the most. They are content with living in squalor and allowing the government to "help" them. I will say again, if they bother you do not pay the taxes in protest. I don't mind helping those with my tax dollars that need the help because if my day ever comes in needing the help it will be there for me too. As for the dependency that you claim goes on, it is taught at home and in religions so that is where we start not in the government which is suppose to help those in need. If you want to suggest that we begin with better parenting instruction, less religious influence then I would agree. Start with the root of the problem not the symptom of the problem. |
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ok...AGAIN i ask...what makes it rhetoric, propaganda, not true etc??? is it just because it isn't what some agree with???
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people are all people???
government is people, just like all other people, just like self??? if self can easily fail, mis step, change it's mind, change course, adapt and morph, so to can all things??? there are false motive's every where, at all different times, for all different reasons, and these motives change constantly, a once hater turning into a lover, a once power lover, into a compassionate, and the tide ebb and flow, and each thing can only speak out, not withholding it's reality from being spoken??? there are vile, manipulative, corrupt, abusive, brutal, ruthless people in all places, just as there are kind, loving, giving, caring, compassionate people in all places, and all people pass thru these different phases at all different times, all in many different degree's and measure's, some thru small measures of such things, and other's thru large measures of such things, and the beacon within all humans of good and more good blink on and off, making the planet a mass of blinking lights, not as some blinking light in just one place being more less good, and the blinking lights in these days are all to exposed, for things of past days to repeat, and the order of all these things is always maintained, by each passion of each person speaking out, and following it's heart??? what more can be said. it is indeed one of the most fearful feeling time's in recent history, and on the other hand, one of the most glorious and magnanamous places man has ever walked, ever. empty words perhaps, but this time, in this place, it is not bad that shall prevail, nor what shall be, redily understood some things could allow this perception, but indeed the time of troubles of the sort seen in past days, will and cannot succeed in the days ahead. the universe shall indeed intervene. peace |
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ok...AGAIN i ask...what makes it rhetoric, propaganda, not true etc??? is it just because it isn't what some agree with??? Basically, yes 
That seems to bean empty argument these days. Instead of using logic, or factual references, people just like to shout "rhetoric!" or "propoganda!". What people don't realize is the fact that they can shut me up pretty quick when using logic, history, or simply educating me on my misunderstandings. Anyway, it may seem like you are being ignored, but i hear you.  I also believe you ask a valid question.
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people are all people??? government is people, just like all other people, just like self??? if self can easily fail, mis step, change it's mind, change course, adapt and morph, so to can all things??? there are false motive's every where, at all different times, for all different reasons, and these motives change constantly, a once hater turning into a lover, a once power lover, into a compassionate, and the tide ebb and flow, and each thing can only speak out, not withholding it's reality from being spoken??? there are vile, manipulative, corrupt, abusive, brutal, ruthless people in all places, just as there are kind, loving, giving, caring, compassionate people in all places, and all people pass thru these different phases at all different times, all in many different degree's and measure's, some thru small measures of such things, and other's thru large measures of such things, and the beacon within all humans of good and more good blink on and off, making the planet a mass of blinking lights, not as some blinking light in just one place being more less good, and the blinking lights in these days are all to exposed, for things of past days to repeat, and the order of all these things is always maintained, by each passion of each person speaking out, and following it's heart??? what more can be said. it is indeed one of the most fearful feeling time's in recent history, and on the other hand, one of the most glorious and magnanamous places man has ever walked, ever. empty words perhaps, but this time, in this place, it is not bad that shall prevail, nor what shall be, redily understood some things could allow this perception, but indeed the time of troubles of the sort seen in past days, will and cannot succeed in the days ahead. the universe shall indeed intervene. peace
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