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Topic: developing : Deadly rampage at N.Y. immigrant center
Atlantis75's photo
Fri 04/03/09 11:38 AM
just go see the cnn front page.

http://www.cnn.com/

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 04/03/09 12:09 PM
:cry: I am watching it on television:cry:

franshade's photo
Fri 04/03/09 12:17 PM
wow here's an update - 5 mins ago

Officials say at least 12 killed in Binghamton massacre, including shooter

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-hostage-shooting,0,909956.story

Atlantis75's photo
Fri 04/03/09 12:37 PM
just what the hell is wrong with people...what could make someone go around and randomly kill 13 people? Insanity? what

franshade's photo
Fri 04/03/09 12:44 PM
Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!

talldub's photo
Fri 04/03/09 12:56 PM
It's on the news here too but where i am is too loud to make out what's happening.

adj4u's photo
Fri 04/03/09 12:58 PM

Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!


then why go to the gun range :wink:

no photo
Fri 04/03/09 12:59 PM
I personally think the anger in the air is fueling the people that would do such a thing. Geez, take yourself out if your are that miserable, but don't kill others. Makes me furious.

This will probably not be the last of the crazies taking their last stand.. ugh

no photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:00 PM


Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!


then why go to the gun range :wink:


This sort of thing doesn't help gun rights...

franshade's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:06 PM


Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!


then why go to the gun range :wink:


never have I said nor do I truly think I am able to take a life
I can maim you but won't kill you :wink:

franshade's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:07 PM



Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!


then why go to the gun range :wink:


This sort of thing doesn't help gun rights...

I stand firm it wasn't the gun but the person pulling the trigger

Looked pretty premeditated as he used his vehicle to bar the second means of egress - and walked right into the front building.

adj4u's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:12 PM



Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!


then why go to the gun range :wink:


This sort of thing doesn't help gun rights...


why is that you have the right to defend yourself and going to the gun range shows responsible gun ownership

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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,

deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world

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****WHO IS GOING TO HOLD THE GOVT ACOUNTABL AND ENFORCE THE DECALRATION OF INDEPENDANCE

ENTER THE 2ND AMMENDMENT

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U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Second Amendment - Bearing Arms

Amendment Text | Annotations

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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DEFINITIONS

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Main Entry: in•fringe
Pronunciation: in-'frinj
Function: verb
Inflected Forms: in•fringed; in•fring•ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- in + frangere to break
transitive verb : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed —U.S. Constitution amendment II>; especially : to violate a holder's rights under (a copyright, patent, trademark, or trade name) intransitive verb : ENCROACH —in•fring•er noun
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

en•croach (n-krch)
intr.v. en•croached, en•croach•ing, en•croach•es
1. To take another's possessions or rights gradually or stealthily: encroach on a neighbor's land.
2. To advance beyond proper or former limits: desert encroaching upon grassland.
3. Football To commit encroachment.

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peo•ple (ppl)
n. pl. people
1. Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
2. A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality.
3. pl. peo•ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
4. Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
5. The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: "those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes" Thomas Jefferson.
6. The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
7. Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
8. Family, relatives, or ancestors.
9. Informal Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people

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SO IF THE GOVT INFRINGES (see DEFINITIONS)

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE (SEE DEFINITIONS)

TO BEAR ARMS

WHO IS GOING TOENFORCE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
WHEN THE GOVT BEGINS ABUSING THEIR POWERS

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

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AND BEGIN RESTRICTING THE

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

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WHO WILL STEP IN AND REMOVE THE

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

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AND INSTITUTE THE NEW GOVT

DO YOU THINK THE GOVT IS GOING TO DO IT

IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE

AND TO DO SO THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ARMED

AN UNARMED PEOPLE ARE SLAVE TO THOSE IN POWER

AND THE GOVT ARE THE MASTERS

WHICH IS NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

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do like the government --- if ya shoot shoot to kill

then they wont come back for revenge

franshade's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:19 PM
I'm with you Adj - but we're offtopic

Has anyone heard any other news re: tragic killings in NY?

adj4u's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:32 PM
Edited by adj4u on Fri 04/03/09 01:35 PM

I'm with you Adj - but we're offtopic

Has anyone heard any other news re: tragic killings in NY?



i know but i was responding to.....






Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!



then why go to the gun range wink



This sort of thing doesn't help gun rights...

no photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:35 PM


I'm with you Adj - but we're offtopic

Has anyone heard any other news re: tragic killings in NY?



i know but i was responding to.....


QUOTE:

QUOTE:

Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!


then why go to the gun range wink


This sort of thing doesn't help gun rights...



I think she meant this sort of thing as in what happened today.

Atlantis75's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:39 PM
look at the track record of the recent violences: \

March 2009: A gunman kills a total of 11 people in a series of shootings southern Alabama

Dec 2008: A gunman dressed as Santa Claus kills nine people and himself on Christmas Eve in LA

Sept 2008: Six people die in a series of shootings in the north-west of Washington state

June 2008: A worker at a plastics plant in Kentucky kills five people before killing himself

Apr 2007: 32 people and the gunman die at the Virginia Tech campus

adj4u's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:40 PM



I'm with you Adj - but we're offtopic

Has anyone heard any other news re: tragic killings in NY?



i know but i was responding to.....


QUOTE:

QUOTE:

Even in self defense I question anyone's right to take a life imagine 13 innocent people - this just sucks!!!


then why go to the gun range wink


This sort of thing doesn't help gun rights...



I think she meant this sort of thing as in what happened today.


maybe but you know what would have helped gun rights would have been if someone would have been carrying and blew the sucker away after the first victim

that would have helped gun rights those that were there that own and would have been armed if the govt did not infringe on their right to do so should go after the govt for not providing adequate safety as they do not permit you to adequately provide your own

just a thought but hey what do i know

franshade's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:42 PM

look at the track record of the recent violences: \

March 2009: A gunman kills a total of 11 people in a series of shootings southern Alabama

Dec 2008: A gunman dressed as Santa Claus kills nine people and himself on Christmas Eve in LA

Sept 2008: Six people die in a series of shootings in the north-west of Washington state

June 2008: A worker at a plastics plant in Kentucky kills five people before killing himself

Apr 2007: 32 people and the gunman die at the Virginia Tech campus



and this argument is supposed to sway me (a gun toter) one way or another?

None of these events do I take lightly - all are horrible events, crimes committed by people/person toting guns not the other way around.

adj4u's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:43 PM
At least six hospitalized
Five people with gunshot wounds were being treated at Wilson Medical Center in Johnson City, according to hospital spokeswoman Christina Boyd.

The wounded ranged in age from 20 to their mid-50s, and their conditions ranged from stable to critical, she said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30030756/


sorry forgot how to make it live link

adj4u's photo
Fri 04/03/09 01:44 PM


look at the track record of the recent violences: \

March 2009: A gunman kills a total of 11 people in a series of shootings southern Alabama

Dec 2008: A gunman dressed as Santa Claus kills nine people and himself on Christmas Eve in LA

Sept 2008: Six people die in a series of shootings in the north-west of Washington state

June 2008: A worker at a plastics plant in Kentucky kills five people before killing himself

Apr 2007: 32 people and the gunman die at the Virginia Tech campus



and this argument is supposed to sway me (a gun toter) one way or another?

None of these events do I take lightly - all are horrible events, crimes committed by people/person toting guns not the other way around.


yes gun carry should be mandatory that would lower the body count to only a couple now and then :wink:

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