wow, have people really been this miss-treated? obviously the world is not what it used to be. have values changed? is being "moral" a sign of a "nice guy"? i disagree. i have found in my life some of the biggest a-holes are the ones that have opened doors for me and other such chivalry. i say not just how the boy treats you but treats others. if it is the same, then you know his actions are genuine. oh, and too the "good guys" that have been Passed over for jerks. that i have been wronged attitude will only set you back. so what if sometimes we realize late in life what we want from a man. obviously it took you all just as long to build your confidence enough for you to be seen. so give yourselves and us a little less grief and just be happy that we are going to find one another when we both are ready.

I for one am a nice guy....but it becomes increasingly hard to believe that 'nice guys' are what are wanted when you are continually looked down on for the effort, or worse, outright insulted.

There's nothing like opening the door for your lady just to be told she could have done it herself, in that special tone, to make you feel like a complete ass!!!

i understand what you're saying but why do we nice guys have to wait around for women to get it right? why do we have to sit on the shelf while women are off sampling other products just to find out that they don't do what they advertise?
it's funny that women talk about confidence but they don't see one really important thing. it takes confindence in ones self to do the right thing and be nice to people even when it's easier to treat people poorly. but that's not a confidence that is visually perceived. it doesn't show in our swagger or in our cockiness. it shows in the action. it takes confidence to show respect. but that confidence isn't important until a woman has been disrespected so much that she finally realizes that is what she's missing.


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very well put lady...

im sure just about all of us have been in some sort of a relationship by now and have gone through the pain of a break-up. we wouldnt be here otherwise. for those that still have fresh wounds or are carrying baggage from being hurt many years ago are in for a "repeat" if they arent willing to admit their own faults in what went wrong. i know men and women who have stereotyped the other sex from just one experience. its sad.

2 of my children are daughters. they are just becoming teenagers now too.
i have always tried to open doors and pull out a chair for a lady and things like that because i was taught to respect a woman.
now that i have 2 teenage daughters that are starting to get interested in boys (grrrrrrrrrrrrr), i am glad that they have been able to witness how i have treated women and how it should be done. i hope they wont settle for anything less!
and its not just the act of opening a door. showing respect and meaning it, will come out in everything you do.

We still exsist but got married too early and taken off the market. You need to look @ the second hand man store to find one.

We got old and finally caved into equal rights.

so the nice guys have been with some not so nice women?

don't get on us for wanting the total package too? what first attracts you about a girl? lets be honest with ourselves. you can't be one way about a subject and then change to fit your ideas when its the other side.

I am here SassySprite. I always open doors for strangers too. Another good one is never order food before she does at restraunt and stand up when she gets up from a seat. I think some guys and girls are losing class. Just my opinion.

A lot has changed from when I was dating to getting married to getting divorced and back out on the scene again. As a man, you're made to feel like a stalker or a weirdo if you say or do something nice for a women. Holding doors for women and pulling out chairs was what I was raised to do. It's about balance. Ladies, good men are still around, we're still here. Women can approach us also, we don't bite.

I knew it their are still some left!!!!!Thanks for Your repley

Y yes you are

Dear mr041,
Exactly!! When one has consistancy in his/her actions, it speaks volumes!! I am certain your daughters have seen your actions. There was an intriguing radio show I heard a few years back. The speaker said that he "dated" his daughter. He called her up from work and asked her out on a date. He picked her up at home, opened all of the doors, assited with her coat & chair, was very attentive and engaged her in conversation. Then, he ended the date by dropping her off at the front door. He thought that by treating her with respect, like a valued lady, he would help them be aware of (& reject) inappropriate/inconsistent behaviour of guys who didn't respect her. I think it is an awesome plan of action. If the not only the fathers, but the uncles, grandfathers, godfathers, etc would do this, we'd have a different class of young women. I think they would have improved self-esteem and high enough expectations to not just settle for any male around, but ones with character, class and respect. Anyway....., keep up the great work!

really where are the gentlemen i dont care for money but romance with flowers and dinner sounds good but for me really where is the one that likes to hold you in his arms and cuddle you give you massages back i give and give i want some back to you and be kissed havent found one that knows how to kiss yet and sometimes i perfer a cold beer with him on the couch next to him my budweiser and him his drink tired of the lies i hold you massage you yeah right

Um, ok?

what you meen um right? i dont care for money just want him

Was just confused by the run on words, wasn't sure exactly what you were saying. No worries, tho, figured it out.

being with the wrong men i thinking going to women what you think is there a man out their just want the beer cuddling massaging and loving