Whether or not you are atheist and believe in a soul, here are some questions about what you think about cloning and clones.

Okay lets say you can clone yourself... grow that clone to adulthood, and even transfer YOUR memories into the clone so that clone THINKS he or she is YOU.

Here are the questions:

1. Is your clone a human?
2. Does your clone have a soul?
3. Is that clone's soul YOUR soul?


So if a clone is exactly like you, thinks like you, talks like you, has your memories, fingerprints, DNA etc. and you don't believe people have "souls" then why is that clone NOT YOU?

I don't believe in full human cloning. But I'm all for needed body parts!

he might think,act, and look like me,but he isnt,i would keep my clone around just in case i need any body parts.

If you clone yourself, then both of you make love with your loved one, is it in fact, a threesome?

OR, if your clone makes love with your loved one, is it considered cheating? O.o

Here are the questions:

1. Is your clone a human?

If we use the dictionary's definition of "human" then yes, it would be.

2. Does your clone have a soul?

I honestly don't know exactly what a soul is so I can't say.

3. Is that clone's soul YOUR soul?

Again, seeing as I don't know what a soul is I'm unable to answer this.

One thing I would like to point out is that it would be impossible for a clone to be exactly the same after a certain point. As soon as it went off on its own it would have different experiences and create new memories for itself and learn from its experiences. Does this in and of itself make it a new person?

Maybe humans are able to clone bodies, but the souls are in god's hand. Yes, every living existence get a soul,even the cloned, but this is a different from the original.

yep.



no evidence to suggest that souls exist.



see answer to question two.




same reason that you're not me. i'm me. you're you. the clone is he.

Souls are tricky. until we can scientifically find one, we cannot accurately answer those questions. It's all speculation at this point. I have often believed that all living creatures have a Soul. A clone of you would be genetically human, but even clones are not complete copies, there is a .01% variant or something like that. Anyway even if they were a copy, they are either another part of you because of the nature of cloning and therefore shares a soul with you, or they are new separate creatures and therefore would have a soul of their own.

Again it's all speculation though.

Right. Speculation. Since there aren't already cloned people running around. Right.

Clones happen every day naturally. We just don't think of them in those terms. They are called identical twins.

Yes I think it does. But at the moment it arises from being cloned, and has all of your memories it would think and be like you and even think he or she was you.

As it has new experiences it develop different memories. But being just like you, do you think it would react differently or exactly the same to most situations?

That is the answer I was looking for. No soul... so what makes this clone NOT YOU? Be precise. You say "same reason."

I don't know what that means. I am not you, I am different. A clone is not different from you. Why is he not you?

Yes twins are interesting subjects. But there are usually differences between them, even identical ones.

Some identical twins, who had been living apart for years discovered many identical things about their lives. They smoked the same brand of cigarette, had the same number of children, weighed the same, (each had gained weight) and many other similar things going on, yet they had not even known each other for years.

This too is interesting. In a dream I experienced having two bodies at once and I could see and feel and operate out of both of them at the same time.... so I can see how that could be possible.

If you cloned yourself from a stomach or skin cell, the same types of minor changes would occur as if you were born identical twins. You still start out with the same genetic material.

The twins I have known report mind reading and "shared emotions". Two of my college buddies are twins. One became a structural engineer and the other a psychologist used to describe all kinds of weird things such a "twin talk" were they would communicate in a different language that only the two of them knew. They said the language came "naturally", whatever that means.

he's not me as a twin is not it's sibling. he will have different experiences than me. develope different thoughts than me because of those experiences. will build more or less muscle or accrue more fat than me depending on his life style. he'll be more healthy or less healthy. he will become agnostic or not based on his interpretations of his life experiences. he will be more or less educated than me. i could go on and on. he's not me just as my mother is not me. as my father is not me. a clone has cells identical to mine but not my cells.

While I understand what you are saying, the point I am making is that he is not you because his "point of view" is not the same. Being identical, he may make identical choices, especially if he has your memories and experience at his birth. He may make the same choices in food, he may attract the same experiences (law of attraction) he may think the same way, believe the same things. If all of this is the case then why is he not you?

It is because of point of view and point of perception maybe?

But that is not an absolute either. You have two eyes, each of them is a "point of view." What if you had eyes in the back of your head?
Would that still be you? Yes it would, but it is a different view of the world.

So point of view is more than sight. It is something else. It is all of the senses.

What if you had a mind reading connection with that clone and you could feel and see everything he felt and saw? What if you could influence his behavior or read his mind?

What would separate you from being him then?

Let's try and find it out!!

You make the clone, and I bring my soul-o-detector and my soul-o-analyzer. We extract its soul, your soul, and look for differences. If there are no differences, the two of you have identical souls.

Let's do it!

Tuesday at five? At my place? Bring some chips. There is some dips (typing on my computer keyboard as we speak) left over from the previous experimenting (trying to prove if soul is a train or a highway).

Oh, it's a highway in case you wanted to know.