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Listen, I'm a moral and virtuous person and try to abide by the law but sometimes the law is WRONG! That's right; listen to my tale: I was disabled in a car accident 4yrs ago. At the time I had a valid PA drivers license and an expired Florida DL. For no other reason than my injury my license was suspended. In order to get it back I had to pay $300 to a driving program and jump through 50 hoops to get all these papers signed as well as spend $1100 to get a speeding ticket in N.C. from 2004 resolved. I do all this and PA says we can't give you a dual-control permit because there is something wrong with your Florida DL. Well, according to Florida, there is nothing wrong with my license there. So two weeks from now I'm moving from PA to southern CA. I have a brand new Mustang conv. that I paid $12,000 to have altered so I can drive it. Because of this utter ********, I'm forced to drive without a license after I jumped through 66 hoops and danced the jig for PA so I could get my license back(keep in mind, Pennsylvania is the only state that revokes your license for med. reasons and requires a "dual-control operators license. I did everything under the sun to get my license back (as unfair and expensive as I thought it was) and those bastards still won't give it to me for some reason that only they can explain but wont...
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Listen, I'm a moral and virtuous person and try to abide by the law but sometimes the law is WRONG! That's right; listen to my tale: I was disabled in a car accident 4yrs ago. At the time I had a valid PA drivers license and an expired Florida DL. For no other reason than my injury my license was suspended. In order to get it back I had to pay $300 to a driving program and jump through 50 hoops to get all these papers signed as well as spend $1100 to get a speeding ticket in N.C. from 2004 resolved. I do all this and PA says we can't give you a dual-control permit because there is something wrong with your Florida DL. Well, according to Florida, there is nothing wrong with my license there. So two weeks from now I'm moving from PA to southern CA. I have a brand new Mustang conv. that I paid $12,000 to have altered so I can drive it. Because of this utter ********, I'm forced to drive without a license after I jumped through 66 hoops and danced the jig for PA so I could get my license back(keep in mind, Pennsylvania is the only state that revokes your license for med. reasons and requires a "dual-control operators license. I did everything under the sun to get my license back (as unfair and expensive as I thought it was) and those bastards still won't give it to me for some reason that only they can explain but wont... I feel for you, although I think circumstances leading up to these troubles were probably at least SOMEWHAT within your control(driving illegal, no matter how necessary we may see it to be, is still a choice, the other is to not drive at all). It does suck that the law is not more understanding of specific case by case details and I hope you have better experiences in the future. |
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Edited by
Jill298
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Wed 01/27/10 01:09 PM
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Isn't there a way you can have Florida confirm with PA that there's nothing wrong with your license there? Have you consulted an attorney about it?
It does seem unfair and wrong but I have to agree with the fact that you are still choosing to drive without a license. However forced you may feel it is, it's still a choice. And if you get pulled over or in another accident, you will be forced to pay the consquences. Insurance will not cover you in an accident if you don't have a valid driver's license. I'd sure hate to see that new mustanf of yours impounded due to not having a license or totally wrecked from an accident and no way of recovering any damages thru insurance. You may still have to jump thru more hoops, I know it sucks, but it has to be done. There has to be some resolution to this. |
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Listen, I'm a moral and virtuous person and try to abide by the law but sometimes the law is WRONG! That's right; listen to my tale: I was disabled in a car accident 4yrs ago. At the time I had a valid PA drivers license and an expired Florida DL. For no other reason than my injury my license was suspended. In order to get it back I had to pay $300 to a driving program and jump through 50 hoops to get all these papers signed as well as spend $1100 to get a speeding ticket in N.C. from 2004 resolved. I do all this and PA says we can't give you a dual-control permit because there is something wrong with your Florida DL. Well, according to Florida, there is nothing wrong with my license there. So two weeks from now I'm moving from PA to southern CA. I have a brand new Mustang conv. that I paid $12,000 to have altered so I can drive it. Because of this utter ********, I'm forced to drive without a license after I jumped through 66 hoops and danced the jig for PA so I could get my license back(keep in mind, Pennsylvania is the only state that revokes your license for med. reasons and requires a "dual-control operators license. I did everything under the sun to get my license back (as unfair and expensive as I thought it was) and those bastards still won't give it to me for some reason that only they can explain but wont... Thank you and it's true I could not drive at all but i have a $35,00 vehicle(if you include the hand controls) and I've spent the last 4 yrs taking paratransit, and it SUCKS!!! To not drive is an option but it isn't right. I passed my driver's exam when I was a teen and also had to take another permit test now which I passed as well. I deserve to be able to drive legally. Life's hard enough and then being paralyzed? Unless you've been there you could never know. I''ve earned the right to drive even if the law can[t see that I feel for you, although I think circumstances leading up to these troubles were probably at least SOMEWHAT within your control(driving illegal, no matter how necessary we may see it to be, is still a choice, the other is to not drive at all). It does suck that the law is not more understanding of specific case by case details and I hope you have better experiences in the future. |
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I'm sorry to put it to you this way but this is how it has always been put to me.
Driving is not a right. It is only a privledge. You can't earn the right to have your license. You can only get your privleges back or taken away. |
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Isn't there a way you can have Florida confirm with PA that there's nothing wrong with your license there? Have you consulted an attorney about it? It does seem unfair and wrong but I have to agree with the fact that you are still choosing to drive without a license. However forced you may feel it is, it's still a choice. And if you get pulled over or in another accident, you will be forced to pay the consquences. Insurance will not cover you in an accident if you don't have a valid driver's license. I'd sure hate to see that new mustanf of yours impounded due to not having a license or totally wrecked from an accident and no way of recovering any damages thru insurance. You may still have to jump thru more hoops, I know it sucks, but it has to be done. There has to be some resolution to this. |
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Edited by
Jill298
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Wed 01/27/10 01:22 PM
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Isn't there a way you can have Florida confirm with PA that there's nothing wrong with your license there? Have you consulted an attorney about it? It does seem unfair and wrong but I have to agree with the fact that you are still choosing to drive without a license. However forced you may feel it is, it's still a choice. And if you get pulled over or in another accident, you will be forced to pay the consquences. Insurance will not cover you in an accident if you don't have a valid driver's license. I'd sure hate to see that new mustanf of yours impounded due to not having a license or totally wrecked from an accident and no way of recovering any damages thru insurance. You may still have to jump thru more hoops, I know it sucks, but it has to be done. There has to be some resolution to this. However, my point is that there are still ways to get you legal, however ridiculous it may be. You have a lot more to lose by driving without a license than you do by jumping thru the hoops to get your license. What happens if you get pulled over somewhere in between PA and CA and your vehicle gets impounded for driving without a license? And you're stuck in like Illinois or something? The cops or a judge is not going to care what did do, they just care what you didn't do. |
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Edited by
Shasta1
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Wed 01/27/10 01:35 PM
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Listen, I'm a moral and virtuous person and try to abide by the law but sometimes the law is WRONG! That's right; listen to my tale: I was disabled in a car accident 4yrs ago. At the time I had a valid PA drivers license and an expired Florida DL. For no other reason than my injury my license was suspended. In order to get it back I had to pay $300 to a driving program and jump through 50 hoops to get all these papers signed as well as spend $1100 to get a speeding ticket in N.C. from 2004 resolved. I do all this and PA says we can't give you a dual-control permit because there is something wrong with your Florida DL. Well, according to Florida, there is nothing wrong with my license there. So two weeks from now I'm moving from PA to southern CA. I have a brand new Mustang conv. that I paid $12,000 to have altered so I can drive it. Because of this utter ********, I'm forced to drive without a license after I jumped through 66 hoops and danced the jig for PA so I could get my license back(keep in mind, Pennsylvania is the only state that revokes your license for med. reasons and requires a "dual-control operators license. I did everything under the sun to get my license back (as unfair and expensive as I thought it was) and those bastards still won't give it to me for some reason that only they can explain but wont... What exactly is your injury? Is it neurological, brain related? Do you shake, have intention tremors? or seizures? You left out some very important details for us to help you concerning your rant. If the state consider you a threat to others but you earned your privalage, they will hold you up in red tape. And really, it's not fair to others if you drive without a license because if someone else gets hurt...your insurance is invalid due to the fact you have no license, and they are S.O.L. if they have only comprehensive. If you must go, hire someone and tell your insurance company about the additional driver. ps all states have their own med. requirements. If your state has dual permit- which I just looked up- theres a reason, for them and you. You might want to check with Californias rules, get a copy of the letter from Penn and Florida that frees you up or you may encounter much more problems. I've had epilepsy for years and beleive me, know what am talking about. |
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What happens if you get pulled over somewhere in between PA and CA and your vehicle gets impounded for driving without a license? And you're stuck in like Illinois or something? or even worse,some godforsaken town out in the middle of nowheres??!!. even if they let you out of jail,you still cant Drive away...catch-22. Oh yeah, Florida will send something to PA but I talked to the DMV in Florida where I got my DL. I have to have that sent from the main office in Tallahassee and it's always busy and I'm moving so I don't have time for all that. well,if they catch you,yer gonna have plenty of time to think about " all that " . plus,then you will be facing charges for no d/l,and then how will you EVER get it squared away? i actually had a town clerk mess my d/l up so bad--TWICE,for nonpayment of fines,even tho i Had the reciept,that i ended up having to get a " get out of jail " card,to Prove that i had indeed paid..notorized and everything...only used it once,but glad i had it. you really dont want to get in too deep..good luck m8. whatever you decide,make Sure you have every bit of paperwork with you,just in case. |
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And really, it's not fair to others if you drive without a license because if someone else gets hurt...your insurance is invalid due to the fact you have no license, and they are S.O.L. if they have only comprehensive. If you must go, hire someone and tell your insurance company about the additional driver. Excellent point..Tippin the Hat to you. 
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Intrepid, I'm sort of on your side. I would keep drivin' "illegal" as you say, but I would be super careful and obey all speed limits, signs, and lights. In the mean time don't just let this go with you your DL hanging out there, get it resolved, hopefully in less than 11 months, there has to be an attorney that can speed things along for you. Also, don't drive anywhere unless you absolutely have to, that will minimize your chance of getting into an accident through no fault of your own. If it does happen, you're screwed with no license and no insurance, keep that in mind, just be super careful. And if a cop gets behind you, turn off at the next intersection and go around the block, you don't need the Blue running your plates.
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Intrepid, I'm sort of on your side. I would keep drivin' "illegal" as you say, but I would be super careful and obey all speed limits, signs, and lights. In the mean time don't just let this go with you your DL hanging out there, get it resolved, hopefully in less than 11 months, there has to be an attorney that can speed things along for you. Also, don't drive anywhere unless you absolutely have to, that will minimize your chance of getting into an accident through no fault of your own. If it does happen, you're screwed with no license and no insurance, keep that in mind, just be super careful. And if a cop gets behind you, turn off at the next intersection and go around the block, you don't need the Blue running your plates. And you think you've spent alot of money so far, you wait to see what happens when you get caught with no license. Fines, courts, possible jail time, and then whatever chance you did have of getting your license will be gone because it will be suspended for even longer. Then it will cost you even more to get it back. And to top it off, with all that, you will feel forced to just continue to drive with no license. And the cycle just keeps going. |
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well i wish i knew who adriana lima was but i don't.
it seems 2 me that u have tried everything but>>>>>the law on your side. have you thought of an attorney? there is an organization in WA called WPAS that has lists of attorneys that help people with discrimination of sorts as you have sufferred. if nothing else, they could suggest someone in your area. if that does not work, contact me and i will suggest something else. don't give up. u will become an icon for those that have sufferred same fate. |
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And if a cop gets behind you, turn off at the next intersection and go around the block, you don't need the Blue running your plates. what plates? thats another thing..tags cant be registered to him,cause he aint got no d/l. soooo,sounds like someones gotta reggy it n insure it for him,then PRAY he doesnt hit something....kinda scary,eyh? |
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Intrepid, I'm sort of on your side. I would keep drivin' "illegal" as you say, but I would be super careful and obey all speed limits, signs, and lights. In the mean time don't just let this go with you your DL hanging out there, get it resolved, hopefully in less than 11 months, there has to be an attorney that can speed things along for you. Also, don't drive anywhere unless you absolutely have to, that will minimize your chance of getting into an accident through no fault of your own. If it does happen, you're screwed with no license and no insurance, keep that in mind, just be super careful. And if a cop gets behind you, turn off at the next intersection and go around the block, you don't need the Blue running your plates. And you think you've spent alot of money so far, you wait to see what happens when you get caught with no license. Fines, courts, possible jail time, and then whatever chance you did have of getting your license will be gone because it will be suspended for even longer. Then it will cost you even more to get it back. And to top it off, with all that, you will feel forced to just continue to drive with no license. And the cycle just keeps going. I bet Intrepid knows the risks, and you shouldn't do it, but he seems pretty willing about taking the risk and driving anyway. He got shafted by PA and he doesn't want to let that stop him. So if he's gonna be a bad boy about this, at least he should do it smartly, or at least carefully. Yeah, and the CA plates are a bit of a mystery to solve. He would need someone to reg the plates for him. |
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Listen, I'm a moral and virtuous person and try to abide by the law but sometimes the law is WRONG! That's right; listen to my tale: I was disabled in a car accident 4yrs ago. At the time I had a valid PA drivers license and an expired Florida DL. For no other reason than my injury my license was suspended. In order to get it back I had to pay $300 to a driving program and jump through 50 hoops to get all these papers signed as well as spend $1100 to get a speeding ticket in N.C. from 2004 resolved. I do all this and PA says we can't give you a dual-control permit because there is something wrong with your Florida DL. Well, according to Florida, there is nothing wrong with my license there. So two weeks from now I'm moving from PA to southern CA. I have a brand new Mustang conv. that I paid $12,000 to have altered so I can drive it. Because of this utter ********, I'm forced to drive without a license after I jumped through 66 hoops and danced the jig for PA so I could get my license back(keep in mind, Pennsylvania is the only state that revokes your license for med. reasons and requires a "dual-control operators license. I did everything under the sun to get my license back (as unfair and expensive as I thought it was) and those bastards still won't give it to me for some reason that only they can explain but wont... What exactly is your injury? Is it neurological, brain related? Do you shake, have intention tremors? or seizures? You left out some very important details for us to help you concerning your rant. If the state consider you a threat to others but you earned your privalage, they will hold you up in red tape. And really, it's not fair to others if you drive without a license because if someone else gets hurt...your insurance is invalid due to the fact you have no license, and they are S.O.L. if they have only comprehensive. If you must go, hire someone and tell your insurance company about the additional driver. ps all states have their own med. requirements. If your state has dual permit- which I just looked up- theres a reason, for them and you. You might want to check with Californias rules, get a copy of the letter from Penn and Florida that frees you up or you may encounter much more problems. I've had epilepsy for years and beleive me, know what am talking about. Ok, as far as my injury: I do not shake, no epilepsy or anything. I lost partial motor function in my legs so I need hand controls to drive which I paid 12,000 to have installed. Otherwise I am perfectly fine to operate a vehicle. As far as INSURANCE, ME AND MY VEHICLE ARE INSURED. As far as getting pulled over somewhere between PA and CA, I'm flying to CA and having my car shipped out there. My TAGS ARE VALID AND LEGAL. I intend to drive with TREPiDATION ( against what my name says lol) until I can get all this straightened out. I wouldn't endanger other drivers. As I said, I am a moral and virtuous person. I really deserve to get a license. I know people who have far less use of their body that have one. I'm being denied because of some issue in Florida, that FL says doesn't exist. I'm not going to be ANY danger to other people, which is why I feel the law is wrong in this situation. |
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"those bastards still won't give it to me for some reason that only they can explain but wont..."
okay so with that last statement, i will hit what i said before again....go get a disability attorney from Cali. contact Washington state WPAS and c what they can do 4 u. they refer i am sure. in the State of WA, if u drive w/o a DL valid, suspended or invalid, they do this: The ticket is about $1200, and that is w/o DL, current plates, and maybe no insurance. Then, they tow ur car, u go to jail...time spent on vacation in the big house, not sure of how long, then a warrant if u elude them by not showing up at arraignment, and community service for which u pay ur ticket off at some place for 6 months or more. this was related 2 me by a friend, and she was none 2 happy, but bend the law, and that is what u get. this is to frighten u, as Cali might be worse than Wa and I doubt that. u need legal help now. there is something there. |
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Intrepid, I'm sort of on your side. I would keep drivin' "illegal" as you say, but I would be super careful and obey all speed limits, signs, and lights. In the mean time don't just let this go with you your DL hanging out there, get it resolved, hopefully in less than 11 months, there has to be an attorney that can speed things along for you. Also, don't drive anywhere unless you absolutely have to, that will minimize your chance of getting into an accident through no fault of your own. If it does happen, you're screwed with no license and no insurance, keep that in mind, just be super careful. And if a cop gets behind you, turn off at the next intersection and go around the block, you don't need the Blue running your plates. And you think you've spent alot of money so far, you wait to see what happens when you get caught with no license. Fines, courts, possible jail time, and then whatever chance you did have of getting your license will be gone because it will be suspended for even longer. Then it will cost you even more to get it back. And to top it off, with all that, you will feel forced to just continue to drive with no license. And the cycle just keeps going. I bet Intrepid knows the risks, and you shouldn't do it, but he seems pretty willing about taking the risk and driving anyway. He got shafted by PA and he doesn't want to let that stop him. So if he's gonna be a bad boy about this, at least he should do it smartly, or at least carefully. Yeah, and the CA plates are a bit of a mystery to solve. He would need someone to reg the plates for him. My registration and plate is legal, distributed by the CA department of motor vehicles |
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Edited by
DrRob
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Wed 01/27/10 02:02 PM
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Ok, as far as my injury: I do not shake, no epilepsy or anything. I lost partial motor function in my legs so I need hand controls to drive which I paid 12,000 to have installed. Otherwise I am perfectly fine to operate a vehicle. As far as INSURANCE, ME AND MY VEHICLE ARE INSURED. As far as getting pulled over somewhere between PA and CA, I'm flying to CA and having my car shipped out there. My TAGS ARE VALID AND LEGAL. I intend to drive with TREPiDATION ( against what my name says lol) until I can get all this straightened out. I wouldn't endanger other drivers. As I said, I am a moral and virtuous person. I really deserve to get a license. I know people who have far less use of their body that have one. I'm being denied because of some issue in Florida, that FL says doesn't exist. I'm not going to be ANY danger to other people, which is why I feel the law is wrong in this situation. questions? are your tags from pa or cali? out of state tags gets a cops attention quick. Edit--okay,you already got that one..rather rude answer too,btw,to the only guy who was supporting ya. how did you get insurance with no d/l?? are you forgetting something? you dont have to hit anyone...they could hit you. nobody says you are a danger...the State says you dont have a license...and you dont!!...therefore,the Law is right. lol |
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Paperwork, this is why I hold onto it five years after the fact. Chances are though, you can give Florida a call and they would be able to hash it out for you...could be a lot of red tape, but it more than likely wouldn't cost you anything.
I wouldn't drive illegally, because if you think it is a pain in the *** now...just wait until you drive illegally and get caught. |
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