My oldest son is from his seed...

That makes you the devil's handmaiden. Bows down to your glory......

eh, it was a one night stand...

A bit of satan beats none at all.

from what 'msharmony' wrote, I'm left with :
God fearing man!
Where fear is taken out of context it would seem, and should mean 'utmost respect'!
... but then again, we learn from msharmony that fear is actually 'healthy', as in the healthy part of respect!?!?!?
Soooo, maybe man should fear msharmony's god after all?!?!?!?
... and forget this confusing amalgamation with 'utmost respect'!!!


from what 'cowboy' wrote I'm left with :

DON'T FEAR GOD, fear the devil!
No, no, don't fear the devil either, for if you have god on your side, there is nothing you should fear!!!
Nothing except of course god's wrath itself, ... if you disobey it!!!
Soooo, in the end fear god!?!?!?!

That's the problem with fundamentalism: each 'paper pope' believes in their personal version of their god's word, and each paper pope has a different version.

Not confusing for each one of them, but 'confusing' to the utmost, and most definitely 'UNBELIEVABLE' for the rest of us, non-fundamentalists!!!

Sorry!!!

The sick ideal that fear equals respect. We all had that kind of respect beaten into us as kids, remember?

If you fear something, you are not respecting it, you are reacting to it with fear.

god and satan r but people??? the human brain???

the total capacity of the human brain???

the two opposing sides of logic???

night and day???

heaven and hell???

all things humans create???

brains r mean, brains r nice???

use mean to stop a rapist, mean was used for a just cause???

use "mean" to make oneself as superior, "mean" was used for an unjust cause???

use heat to torture another, heat was used for "hell"???

use heat to warm a cold friend, heat was used for "heaven"???

simply terms used to describe the total capacity of the human creature???

need them both, and both are as one in the same???

satan and god are the same thing, when and after the brain has realized all the "opposites", that each human thing can be used for, as in for good, or for bad, or for a just reason, and an unjust reason???

so, one ignorant, that still use a steak knife to create unjust pain on another, is as ignorant, or acting out as satan???

one that only use a steak knife, to cut it's fine meat specimen, and to ward off an attacker of it's friend, has been "elightened", or wiser, or as god???

ignorance and enlightened???

satan and god???

knowledge and wisdom???

knowledge hear's how something be "bad"???

wisdom know why, how, when and where it is bad, and why, how, when and where, it be good, as ALL things can be BOTH???

each thing in the universe as a parodox, not just a few things, BUT EVERYTHING???

knowledge says, dad said dont do that, its bad???

wisdom says, if u do that, this COULD HAPPEN, simply telling what such can make "happen"???

satan and god to sides of the brain, the will to try something heard bad, satan, the will to change to a better way, when the results have been acknowledged or felt or understood???

simply the simplistic functioning methods of the human brain???

is that why "jesus" said, "all ye are gods"???

and as well, "all have sinned"???

how can all be "gods", and all have "sinned"???

cause it's BOTH???

the normal first function of the brain, cannot combine "two sides" of every word, every action, in the universe as one thing???

the brain stores data into "two" seperate compartments, one for "bad", one for "good"???

simple scientific logistical logical literal brain happenings???

simple brain procedure, or brains operating system setup, or default setting that built in by the manufacturer???

how would human brains know "nice", lest there was "mean"???

how would human brains know "hot" if there was not "cold"???

how would human brains know no murder, lest there was murder???

so, when the brain realize "what be needed", to create it's OWN INTELLIGENCE, then it's knowing is shifted, or a new logic is created in the brain???

a renewing of the mind, or rebooting of the brain???

once a human intellect, see's, know's, that it "needed", pain and no pain, mean and nice, love and no love, kind and unkind, generosity and greed, meek and proud, then it begins to assimilate all data "differently", as more as a god would, seeing it "needed" such, to create even it's own minds "point of reference's", to KNOW WHAT IT KNOW, about itself know, THEN THE KNOWING, OR FEAR, OR WORRY, OR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, OF GOD AND SATAN, IS DISPELLED, or, the same as one no longer living under a "law", of god and satan???

maybe that will make some sense....

kinds hard to explain.....

the brain just like a computor, not missing, that computors came from the human BRAIN???

so, how can a brain, make something, better than itself???

science saying human brains only use 5-10% of brain capacity???

but, when the brain is shifted, no longer "hating" all things based soley on what itself wanted, or based on it's own "comfort", or based upon it's own like and dislikes, then the brain capacity is released, unto the 100% capacity???

or unto "child gods", become as adult "gods"???

just as was written, all are child gods???

speaking of course of human creatures???

so, all child gods are sent to earth, to school, to build "more intelligence", than what it had before arrival???

pretty simple yes???

if child gods are sent to earth, then as well, child gods MUST GROW UP, or the "earth system was flawed", and the "creature" itself was flawed???

since, ALL, ARRIVED INTO A "PRE-EXISTING ENVIRONMENT", CALLED EARTH, then what child god, would deem what itself did not create as flawed???

based upon "good and bad deeds", when all deeds had to be "felt" to be inputed into the brains knowings???

dosent make sense any other way, and in these ways, all religions seem to morph together, the brain then able to see "similarities", instead of only "differences", which indeed we can see be the first natural inclination of the brain???

and it cannot be missed, that "satan", or a person creating "hell" for another, LOL, see DIFFERENCES, OR MANY AS DIFFERANT, OR NOT AS GOOD, OR NOT AS VALUABLE AS SELF, SO IS THEN "ABLE" TO CREATE SUCH ACTS AS HELLISH FOR ANOTHER???

so, what see's similarities, certainly be seeing more of the larger picture, as indeed, when the brain begins to see how all things are similar, it opens it's own mind, or allows "ever learning", instead of as seemingly, "never learning"???

ok....

just me one cent of the matter

exactly..... might not be the point you were goin for, but disobeying God is the only thing in this world worth fearing. Other then that nothing can hurt you in anyway.

You know I think a song by Bob Dylan which is excellent sums it up the best for me.. The fear of Yahweh is the Beginning of understanding and Dylan says it well... Blessings..of Shalom...Miles



Bob Dylan lyrics
Slow Train Coming '1990
1. Gotta Serve Somebody

You may be an ambassador to England or France
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might be a rock'n' roll adict prancing on the stage
Might have money and drugs at your commands, women in a cage
You may be a business man or some high degree thief
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be an young turk
You may be the head of some big TV network
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame
You may be living in another country under another name.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome
You might own guns and you might even own tanks
You might be somebody's landlord you might even own banks.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side
You may be working in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed.

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Jimmy
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray
You may call me anything but no matter what you say.

You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Question: "What does it mean to have the fear of God?"

Answer: For the unbeliever, the fear of God is the fear of the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this: “Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ’God is a consuming fire.’” This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.

Continued...

Link:
http://www.gotquestions.org/fear-God.html

I disagree with Dylan. I think his enlightenment was not fully developed. We serve ourselves. There is no lord or devil, only us.

Yet:

We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)

"Is it any wonder the monkey's confused?" Roger Waters

Where we see differently is what fear is. fear is knowing thier are consiquinces for our actions.

If we had no consiquinces then we would be in a world that is worst than the dog eat dog world we live in today.

We would be an animal preying on other animals. yet even them have fear of the bigger one.

Hitler believed in the supreme race. A race where only the fittests survive.

Is that what you all live in that say that the fear of Yahweh is wrong is evil.

He is the ultimate judge who needs no jury who can make mistakes he knows everything about you your thoughts your desires.

Everything that ever happens starts in the mind. Now some acts happen so fast that we break the law out of fear or anger or protecting a loved one. These are all different kinds of fear.

To fear Yahweh is to know who he is. To know he gives life and can take it away. But even this is sppeaking of the after world not the world we live in as a wholle. It is but a speck in time and Yahweh is timeless and he promises those who fear him give him the respect he deserves and by this doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.

We are self survivalist. We do not want to hurt ourselves. People do it but thats life. something has happened to mmake them hurt themselves and they have not been shown the loove and understanding we are to give thhem because if we were in thier shoes we would want it.

The fear of Yahweh is love. Its the love of a child showing respect to thier parents who will always love them if they do not hurt tier brother and hurting your brother comes judgement day.

This is the fear of Yahweh. Knowing we can not get by with it we will be caught.

If a thief knew as soon as he took something he was going to jail that minute would he steal it? No because of the consequinces that he knows will imediately follow.

The Fear of Yahweh is the beginning of Understanding true love for your brother.

The 2 greatest commandments. Come for our good. But his people are destroyed for lack of knowledge because they do not understand.

We can see this is so true in this world where many people worry about thier kids and themselves in thier homes and anytime they go outside of them.

If we would believe the golden rule and live by it who would have anything to fear? Blessings...Miles

Yet:

We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)

"Is it any wonder the monkey's confused?" Roger Waters


Wouldn't fear and love be opposites...

What do those 3 scriptures really say. We have lawyers who are so good at just letting a witness say just this part or just read this part and people go free who should be locked up and we have those who can not afford the lawyer who gets ripped apart by bits and pieces and never allowing the whole truth or contexts of anything come out.

This is the world we live in.

Those 3 scriptures go way higher than understanding the physical world. They are meant for the content of the whole..What is right and what is wrong.

The meaning of life and how we should live it..Shaloom..Miles

Hi Miles

It is exactly the contradictions in the bible that keep me from reading, reviewing and attempting to "live" by it. Right and wrong are subjective. Given the example of our world..most anything is acceptable, and each has their own personal responsibility to decide for themselves what is right or wrong..
I'm not a black and white thinker, there are many shades of gray in between.

Out between right-doing and wrong-doing, there is a field...I'll meet you there.

Rumi

Nice to see you Miles

Nice seeing you to.. I agree we all see things differently. I will say what I believe but it has never and never will be my job to tell u what to believe.. We have enough laws for that

Thats the problem with religion. Its not about a book. Its about a lifestyle of treating each other right. Leading by example is always the best witness no matter what it is. Words are words its how we live them that count..Blessings...Miles

Agreed...in the end, only kindness matters

Thank you,, a much clearer explanation than the one I offered,,,