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| Topic: Blame the tool or blame the person using it? | |
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Well, this I am sure is going to get nice and controversial. More than that I am sure I am laying out a minefield but hey, what is political debate without controversy.
Granted I put this in the general topics becasue this transcends politics. Now we ALL have had our share of the anti gun and gun regulation controversy BUT the fact is a gun is a tool. Until someone picks it up it is an inanimate object. The question here is do we blame the tool or do we blame the wielder for wrongs done with it? To me Gun Control has gotten too far out of control. Some try to make it seem like humans using them are just innocent children making mistakes. Take away the guns and the problem goes away in theory. A fact is that people make RATIONAL decisions to use a gun for violent acts. If it isn't a gun they will use something else. I do not blame the gun but the man behind it. So do we blame guns for violent crime or do we blame the person committing the crime? Is it even rational to believe that if we take guns away people will act any better than they do now? Personally I feel that is the most irrational way of looking at the problem we face with violent crime! We need guns. The only way we can do away with them is if we can change human nature and that is not about to happen soon! |
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If guns are taken away, the evil people in the world will just find another way to do harm. You said it yourself; guns are inanimate objects until someone picks them up. It isn't the gun, it is the intentions behind the sights. Of course, accidents DO happen, whether due to faulty equipment, improper handling, or just plain ignorance. But the fact remains that until that gun is in someone's hand, it is harmless. People make the choice to do harm with them, whether their reasoning is rational or not, it IS their choice.
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I believe in limited gun control.
Even though it really goes against some of my personal beliefs I can't find any justifiable reason why anybody would need a rocket launcher for every day use. I'd LIKE to own one, but whatever. Also, I think all drugs should be legal. They're just tools as well. They have no inherent value. All that matters is what's done with them. And free ice cream on fridays. |
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I believe in limited gun control. Even though it really goes against some of my personal beliefs I can't find any justifiable reason why anybody would need a rocket launcher for every day use. I'd LIKE to own one, but whatever. Also, I think all drugs should be legal. They're just tools as well. They have no inherent value. All that matters is what's done with them. And free ice cream on fridays. Can I have sprinkles?!? |
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Of course you can.
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Edited by
AndyBgood
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Tue 06/08/10 11:53 AM
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Personally I believe more in education more than ignorance.
I don't like the idea that I have to face criminals armed with Assault weapons with a pop gun! I would love to see the look on the face of some hood armed with an AK-47 staring down at me aiming an FNFAL Main Battle Rifle at them! PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER! I said it before and I will say it again. Gun control is hitting what you are aiming at and nothing else! |
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In my opinion, gun control is a bit of a joke, anyway. The people who are using guns for violence and such are going to get them no matter what kind of restrictions are placed on them. Its the people who want them for the right reasons who are hindered by the restrictions, because we have to spend all the time and money going through the proper channels, getting the proper licenses and education and permits, etc., and then we are limited in the type of gun we can own. While the criminals are out there runnin around with AK's and full autos. Seems counterproductive to me.
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Guns make it much easier to kill people. The most successful suicide attempts are those that involve firearms. Guns also make murder feasible in a greater number of circumstances. To anyone entertaining murderous impulses, a gun makes it feasible to attack larger people, multiple people, people from a distance, from secrecy, etc. No one in their right mind would try to rob a bank with a knife. But a gun inspires confidence of success in a would be bank robber, allowing a crime to occur when it wouldn't have otherwise.
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Guns make it much easier to kill people. The most successful suicide attempts are those that involve firearms. Guns also make murder feasible in a greater number of circumstances. To anyone entertaining murderous impulses, a gun makes it feasible to attack larger people, multiple people, people from a distance, from secrecy, etc. No one in their right mind would try to rob a bank with a knife. But a gun inspires confidence of success in a would be bank robber, allowing a crime to occur when it wouldn't have otherwise. Again though how many people die in car accidents? How many people die jumping off of buildings? If people had easier access to explosives how bad do you think things would be then? Actually they do except people are not so bright. You are aware I can make what is called a lead pipe shotgun? I can make one from common household components and ingredients. Making it is the tough part. Arming it and reusing it? Not that tough. Are you familiar with a Spudzooka? Also known as a Potato gun? They are real easy to make and can be charged with propane or Butane. Both common fuels. Both can be set off with a Bar ba Que ignitor. Do you know how bad a 3/4 pound potato hurts when it is flying almost 300 fps? I have seen one used on a pesky sea lion and it yelped when it got hit. I have seen a guy get knocked off of his feet getting hit by a spud shot over 100 feet away and it messed him up bad! Granted it is a one shot and reload affair but I do not need to rearm a knife to kill multiple targets. A bow and arrow are just as effective for killing. A gun is a killing TOOL! So are spears, arrows, knives, and a host of other purpose make killing devices. There is such a thing as a Repeater Crossbow! Hell, Imagine if someone went nuts with a lighter and a Prevail Sprayer full of Gasoline and went on a rampage in a crowd of people. Doesn't common sense dictate that you cannot punish a gun? Doesn't common sense also dictate that you have to punish the irresponsible (actually if they knowingly commit an act of violence they ARE responsible) person using the tool for the WRONG reasons? Shooting someone over an argument IS CRIMINAL! Shooting someone for breaking into your house at three in the morning? Hell if they broke into your house at all during ANY time of day they intend to do you harm! THAT is a justified use of a gun. Shooting someone in true self defense. Heck, If I was walking home and six guys suddenly started punking me out? I have reason to fear for my life and if I kill all six so what! They have no business in a civilized society punking anyone! And in this world in this age we have to face the reality there are hate gangs who will kill me for being white or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. All too often there are some punk azzed stupid fools having way too many Ni@@er moments. Please refer to this little educational video about the subject... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqsDRQJesMI Also let me add this! NAACP... Ni@@ers Aren't Always Colored People! Granted labeling sucks but this fits my argument. There are just tooo many idiots out there we have to gird our loins against! That and most of these stupid idiots shoot like these fools and hit everyone else around them other than each other! And now a song for you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfXdbmjnbY |
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Guns make it much easier to kill people. The most successful suicide attempts are those that involve firearms. Guns also make murder feasible in a greater number of circumstances. To anyone entertaining murderous impulses, a gun makes it feasible to attack larger people, multiple people, people from a distance, from secrecy, etc. No one in their right mind would try to rob a bank with a knife. But a gun inspires confidence of success in a would be bank robber, allowing a crime to occur when it wouldn't have otherwise. Again though how many people die in car accidents? How many people die jumping off of buildings? If people had easier access to explosives how bad do you think things would be then? Actually they do except people are not so bright. You are aware I can make what is called a lead pipe shotgun? I can make one from common household components and ingredients. Making it is the tough part. Arming it and reusing it? Not that tough. Are you familiar with a Spudzooka? Also known as a Potato gun? They are real easy to make and can be charged with propane or Butane. Both common fuels. Both can be set off with a Bar ba Que ignitor. Do you know how bad a 3/4 pound potato hurts when it is flying almost 300 fps? I have seen one used on a pesky sea lion and it yelped when it got hit. I have seen a guy get knocked off of his feet getting hit by a spud shot over 100 feet away and it messed him up bad! Granted it is a one shot and reload affair but I do not need to rearm a knife to kill multiple targets. A bow and arrow are just as effective for killing. A gun is a killing TOOL! So are spears, arrows, knives, and a host of other purpose make killing devices. There is such a thing as a Repeater Crossbow! Hell, Imagine if someone went nuts with a lighter and a Prevail Sprayer full of Gasoline and went on a rampage in a crowd of people. Doesn't common sense dictate that you cannot punish a gun? Doesn't common sense also dictate that you have to punish the irresponsible (actually if they knowingly commit an act of violence they ARE responsible) person using the tool for the WRONG reasons? Shooting someone over an argument IS CRIMINAL! Shooting someone for breaking into your house at three in the morning? Hell if they broke into your house at all during ANY time of day they intend to do you harm! THAT is a justified use of a gun. Shooting someone in true self defense. Heck, If I was walking home and six guys suddenly started punking me out? I have reason to fear for my life and if I kill all six so what! They have no business in a civilized society punking anyone! And in this world in this age we have to face the reality there are hate gangs who will kill me for being white or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. All too often there are some punk azzed stupid fools having way too many Ni@@er moments. Please refer to this little educational video about the subject... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqsDRQJesMI Also let me add this! NAACP... Ni@@ers Aren't Always Colored People! Granted labeling sucks but this fits my argument. There are just tooo many idiots out there we have to gird our loins against! That and most of these stupid idiots shoot like these fools and hit everyone else around them other than each other! And now a song for you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfXdbmjnbY ur racial pov borders on disturbing,,,, but anyhow,,,I do think guns make taking life too EASY and wouldnt be offended if they were banned,,,yes criminals would still have them but perhaps we could take them out alot faster by having an easier way to discern that they are criminals and not just 'the law abiding' types enjoying their constitutional rights(do you imagine the founding fathers had any idea of the types of ARMS man would evolve to have?). I know there will never be a ban because of the constitution but I do think those who distribute weapons of mass destruction, or weapons designed to kill multiple targets in a short time, should be held accountable anytime an innocent life is lost to the use of that weapon. |
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My Family has always hunted, i grew up on venison. I will always have a gun to protect myself, had my house broken into way too many times not to have a gun. Come and try to take my gun, I dare you!! I will won't go down without a fight!! I really don't give a s*** who wants to take guns away, just let em try to take mine!!
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Andy my good man.... We meet again.
I wonder if your "Founding Fathers" would have included the right to carry weapons(NOT guns... WEAPONS) in the constitution if they'd known about the plagues of the 21st century? crack, meth, coke, speed. Your position about keeping that right intact is flawed. Because Only idiots NEVER change their minds(governments) Good luck with that! cheers PS Good post tribbles 
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all I can say is that I've owned guns for almost 50 years and have never used one to commit a crime. It must not be the gun that's the criminal...
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Oh yeah ... you're gonna find all the landmines ... I can't wait to read all the 'arguments' about why an INANIMATE OBJECT should be blamed for its improper use ... that's really carrying anthropomorphization to extremes ... TOOLS don't THINK or ACT ...
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proper use of a gun is to kill or maim that was the purpose for which it was created,,,
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When I couldn't find a hammer, the butt of my pistol was great for crackin' nuts.
Reminds me of an old girlfriend I had. Her butt was so tight, she could crack walnuts between her cheeks. 
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I know people who use their old cars as planters,,,but if they were to drive that car and hit someone,, they would be in jail, not the car(hypothetically speaking, because we know MANY people do just this very thing without serving a day)
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As long as those who want to have a gun can go through a thorough mental exam, have no misdemeanors or felonies on their record especially anything related to violence, have no affiliations with any militant or anti government group and understand that if their gun gets stolen they can have no new ones until they get their own gun back. I have no issue with guns if this can be applied.
Since accidents happen were the bearer of the gun doesn't intend for it to go off and it does, guns do kill without their operators permission. This is still a political thread. |
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As long as those who want to have a gun can go through a thorough mental exam, have no misdemeanors or felonies on their record especially anything related to violence, have no affiliations with any militant or anti government group and understand that if their gun gets stolen they can have no new ones until they get their own gun back. I have no issue with guns if this can be applied. Since accidents happen were the bearer of the gun doesn't intend for it to go off and it does, guns do kill without their operators permission. This is still a political thread. DRAMA TRAMA, this thread belongs in the ranting and raveing Political area....... |
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As long as those who want to have a gun can go through a thorough mental exam, have no misdemeanors or felonies on their record especially anything related to violence, have no affiliations with any militant or anti government group and understand that if their gun gets stolen they can have no new ones until they get their own gun back. I have no issue with guns if this can be applied. Since accidents happen were the bearer of the gun doesn't intend for it to go off and it does, guns do kill without their operators permission. This is still a political thread. I like these ideas too dragonnes,, but pro gun advocates will still argue (understandably) that this still will not keep the criminals from having guns,,, |
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