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NO it's not "ok" to sin. With asking for forgiveness you have to repent, stop doing, cease to do such actions. You can NOT kill someone today ask God for forgiveness, then tomorrow do it again and expect forgiveness. With asking for forgiveness comes repentance, stop doing what you're asking for forgiveness of, cease to continue with these actions, and so on and son on. You're obviously not seeking forgiveness if you continue to do the sinful action. Funny that one who admits to drinking the evil wine or strong drink on their profile would act like they have a constant forgiveness for their plan to keep sinning. Yet some get chitfaced drunk and drive, beat their wives, kids...then get forgiven...then do it again....then get forgiven. The point that ye shall be avoiding is that even tho~ Christians should know right from wrong they keep doing the same lame things...like voting for arseholes that represent their god or discriminate from their own book against faintly texted scripture while completely ignoring the OP...it's clear as a bell that if you drink the drug alcohol you are not only a dope head but as a Christian a sinner...and going to hell. What don't yall get about that. Why don't thumpers attact Big Alcohol? It's all too funny..not really. I don't need to be fogiven, you guys tend to sound kinda guilty while you defend the inhumaneness, the madness in the belief in these weird religion things. Ball and chains. So many act like they are trapped in some bad Twighlight zone episode. The bible is an antique of past stories handed down by some old men who probably couldn't get up...the tootheless get ruthless...from our past these stories that blind so many are being used to fool the fools. Hitler-Bush-Beck-GOP Congress, T-baggers...and other racists, what's the difference? They have all used or preyed upon the Christians to vote give money against their own best interest...and again LOOK at the Bush years and these people STILL vote for RW nutbags! Think about it...lol....it's called cognitive dissonance...look it up. Get some help... ~~~~~ I'll be damned if I am going to idly stand by and allow the Christians to impose their thing into our government again...LOOK at what we just went through. If a person cannot see that they are truly blind...or maybe just scared to death of life.  Get help with paranoia and other dilusional thoughts at this link below. http://recoveringreligionists.com/ Have a nice life! Rock on atheists...BTW I am an atheist with a little "a". I don't want the atheist taking over either...a good mix is sound but the heavy weighted Chrisianity in this country has pert'near reuined this here country I love. LoL you can not take "peoples" actions and have them display christianity. ----------------------------------- Yet some get chitfaced drunk and drive, beat their wives, kids...then get forgiven...then do it again....then get forgiven. ------------------------------------ To receive forgiveness you have to repent for that of which you're asking forgiveness of. You can't go around sinning and then say oh lord i'm sorry please forgive me, then repeat this same thing tomarrow. Doesn't work that way my friend. You have to truely be remorseful and repent from the sin to receive forgiveness. If you don't repent from the sin, then asking for forgiveness of it is in vein. |
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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! |
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abuse and use are not the same one who has SEX, could be a husband or wife one who ABUSES sex could be a pimp or prostitute one who Eats is human one who ABUSES food is a glutton One who drinks wine is one thing one who ABUSES alcohol is quite another Exactly ! ! ! |
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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. |
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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. “..and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards” Matthew 24:49. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34. “Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. Romans 13:13. “Envyings, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” Galatians 5:21 Plus a few dozen more you can find in your little fairytale book thing…as for my view of adults drinking? CHEERS! unless of course you’re a Christian then YOU’RE GOING TO HELL. Repent ye SINNERS, drink not from the tit of the addictive drug beast! This post was inspired from this report. "Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... |
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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. “..and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards” Matthew 24:49. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34. “Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. Romans 13:13. “Envyings, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” Galatians 5:21 Plus a few dozen more you can find in your little fairytale book thing…as for my view of adults drinking? CHEERS! unless of course you’re a Christian then YOU’RE GOING TO HELL. Repent ye SINNERS, drink not from the tit of the addictive drug beast! This post was inspired from this report. "Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. =============================== Nor DRUNKARDS, Jesus specifically tells us not to get drunk =============================== “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. ================================ This is referring to a specific person(s) that had taken a vow not to do as such. ================================ “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 ================================ This one specifically states WHEN ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation. So out of this verse, you would get don't drink before going to church ================================ “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. ================================= This verse is referring to Moses and his family that traveled for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not generally speaking the general population nor did he say not to do such actions. Only saying that they didn't do these on their journey. ================================= “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. ================================== This verse is specifically telling Marry not to drink or eat anything unclean while pregnant with Jesus, again not specifically to the general population of the world. ================================== “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. =================================== Exact verse - Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby not wise. -------------------------------------------------------------- Again saying not to be drunk, eg., whosoever is deceived thereby. And stating the ones that get drunk are not wise. ===================================== “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. ===================================== Exact verse - Isaiah 2:22 - Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nottice MIGHTY to drink win and men of strength to mingle strong drink. Still only pointing out to be moderate about your drinking and not to drink strong, but do it lightly. |
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MiddleEarthling
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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. “..and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards” Matthew 24:49. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34. “Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. Romans 13:13. “Envyings, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” Galatians 5:21 Plus a few dozen more you can find in your little fairytale book thing…as for my view of adults drinking? CHEERS! unless of course you’re a Christian then YOU’RE GOING TO HELL. Repent ye SINNERS, drink not from the tit of the addictive drug beast! This post was inspired from this report. "Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. =============================== Nor DRUNKARDS, Jesus specifically tells us not to get drunk =============================== “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. ================================ This is referring to a specific person(s) that had taken a vow not to do as such. ================================ “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 ================================ This one specifically states WHEN ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation. So out of this verse, you would get don't drink before going to church ================================ “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. ================================= This verse is referring to Moses and his family that traveled for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not generally speaking the general population nor did he say not to do such actions. Only saying that they didn't do these on their journey. ================================= “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. ================================== This verse is specifically telling Marry not to drink or eat anything unclean while pregnant with Jesus, again not specifically to the general population of the world. ================================== “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. =================================== Exact verse - Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby not wise. -------------------------------------------------------------- Again saying not to be drunk, eg., whosoever is deceived thereby. And stating the ones that get drunk are not wise. ===================================== “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. ===================================== Exact verse - Isaiah 2:22 - Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nottice MIGHTY to drink win and men of strength to mingle strong drink. Still only pointing out to be moderate about your drinking and not to drink strong, but do it lightly. So bascially you will pervert your own bible's words to support drug use. Twist and spin away...the passages are clear enough to any sane person to decide...oh, yeah I forget that sanity eludes may religious people...obviously. The TRUTH is that alcohol IS a narcotic type of drug that is a plague. Teen drinking problems are horrible...and I find it immoral to encourage it's use by supporting drug use with the bible. 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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. “..and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards” Matthew 24:49. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34. “Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. Romans 13:13. “Envyings, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” Galatians 5:21 Plus a few dozen more you can find in your little fairytale book thing…as for my view of adults drinking? CHEERS! unless of course you’re a Christian then YOU’RE GOING TO HELL. Repent ye SINNERS, drink not from the tit of the addictive drug beast! This post was inspired from this report. "Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. =============================== Nor DRUNKARDS, Jesus specifically tells us not to get drunk =============================== “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. ================================ This is referring to a specific person(s) that had taken a vow not to do as such. ================================ “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 ================================ This one specifically states WHEN ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation. So out of this verse, you would get don't drink before going to church ================================ “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. ================================= This verse is referring to Moses and his family that traveled for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not generally speaking the general population nor did he say not to do such actions. Only saying that they didn't do these on their journey. ================================= “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. ================================== This verse is specifically telling Marry not to drink or eat anything unclean while pregnant with Jesus, again not specifically to the general population of the world. ================================== “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. =================================== Exact verse - Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby not wise. -------------------------------------------------------------- Again saying not to be drunk, eg., whosoever is deceived thereby. And stating the ones that get drunk are not wise. ===================================== “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. ===================================== Exact verse - Isaiah 2:22 - Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nottice MIGHTY to drink win and men of strength to mingle strong drink. Still only pointing out to be moderate about your drinking and not to drink strong, but do it lightly. So bascially you will pervert your own bible's words to support drug use. Twist and spin away...the passages are clear enough to any sane person to decide...oh, yeah I forget that sanity eludes may religious people...obviously. No i will not, nor did i say drugs were ok. Drugs eg., coke, heroign, pot, ect are absolutely wrong. They all put you in a state of mind that isn't sober. That is all Jesus is telling us along these lines, to remain sober and not be drunk or high or anything that would allow us to do sinful actions that we normally wouldn't do. Drugs, alcohol, and all that lowers your will to do good, eg., fights, saying things you wouldn't normally say, ect ect ect. |
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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. “..and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards” Matthew 24:49. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34. “Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. Romans 13:13. “Envyings, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” Galatians 5:21 Plus a few dozen more you can find in your little fairytale book thing…as for my view of adults drinking? CHEERS! unless of course you’re a Christian then YOU’RE GOING TO HELL. Repent ye SINNERS, drink not from the tit of the addictive drug beast! This post was inspired from this report. "Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. =============================== Nor DRUNKARDS, Jesus specifically tells us not to get drunk =============================== “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. ================================ This is referring to a specific person(s) that had taken a vow not to do as such. ================================ “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 ================================ This one specifically states WHEN ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation. So out of this verse, you would get don't drink before going to church ================================ “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. ================================= This verse is referring to Moses and his family that traveled for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not generally speaking the general population nor did he say not to do such actions. Only saying that they didn't do these on their journey. ================================= “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. ================================== This verse is specifically telling Marry not to drink or eat anything unclean while pregnant with Jesus, again not specifically to the general population of the world. ================================== “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. =================================== Exact verse - Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby not wise. -------------------------------------------------------------- Again saying not to be drunk, eg., whosoever is deceived thereby. And stating the ones that get drunk are not wise. ===================================== “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. ===================================== Exact verse - Isaiah 2:22 - Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nottice MIGHTY to drink win and men of strength to mingle strong drink. Still only pointing out to be moderate about your drinking and not to drink strong, but do it lightly. So bascially you will pervert your own bible's words to support drug use. Twist and spin away...the passages are clear enough to any sane person to decide...oh, yeah I forget that sanity eludes may religious people...obviously. No i will not, nor did i say drugs were ok. Drugs eg., coke, heroign, pot, ect are absolutely wrong. They all put you in a state of mind that isn't sober. That is all Jesus is telling us along these lines, to remain sober and not be drunk or high or anything that would allow us to do sinful actions that we normally wouldn't do. Drugs, alcohol, and all that lowers your will to do good, eg., fights, saying things you wouldn't normally say, ect ect ect. So you think alcohol is not a drug. What is it then? God's people cannot trump the AMA..LOL "Sir: "Thank you for your request which was forwarded to me from Dr. Palmisano. The American Medical Association, as does most of the scientific community, considers beverage alcohol (known as ethanol) to be a drug. It is usually classified as a central nervous system depressant although some of its initial effects on drinkers are to provide some stimulating effects. However, as blood alcohol levels increase in the body, the depressant effects become dominant. Other depressant drugs include barbiturates and opiates (e.g., heroin). Here is one of our policies which directly addresses your questions. H-30.972 Alcohol Abuse and the War on Drugs. Our AMA (1) supports documenting the strong correlation between alcohol abuse and other substance abuse; (2) reaffirms the concept that alcohol is an addictive drug and its abuse is one of the nation's leading drug problems; and (3) encourages state medical societies to work actively with drug task forces and study committees in their respective states to assure that their scope of study includes recognition of the strong correlation between alcohol abuse and other substance abuse and recommendations to decrease the immense number of health, safety, and social problems associated with alcohol abuse. (Sub. Res. 97, I-89; Reaffirmed: Sunset Report, A-00)" www.alcoholthenarcotic.org I work to save lives and give kids a chance to grow up drug free...and you apparently support drug use with your bible. For shame. |
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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. “..and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards” Matthew 24:49. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34. “Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. Romans 13:13. “Envyings, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” Galatians 5:21 Plus a few dozen more you can find in your little fairytale book thing…as for my view of adults drinking? CHEERS! unless of course you’re a Christian then YOU’RE GOING TO HELL. Repent ye SINNERS, drink not from the tit of the addictive drug beast! This post was inspired from this report. "Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. =============================== Nor DRUNKARDS, Jesus specifically tells us not to get drunk =============================== “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. ================================ This is referring to a specific person(s) that had taken a vow not to do as such. ================================ “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 ================================ This one specifically states WHEN ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation. So out of this verse, you would get don't drink before going to church ================================ “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. ================================= This verse is referring to Moses and his family that traveled for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not generally speaking the general population nor did he say not to do such actions. Only saying that they didn't do these on their journey. ================================= “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. ================================== This verse is specifically telling Marry not to drink or eat anything unclean while pregnant with Jesus, again not specifically to the general population of the world. ================================== “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. =================================== Exact verse - Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby not wise. -------------------------------------------------------------- Again saying not to be drunk, eg., whosoever is deceived thereby. And stating the ones that get drunk are not wise. ===================================== “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. ===================================== Exact verse - Isaiah 2:22 - Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nottice MIGHTY to drink win and men of strength to mingle strong drink. Still only pointing out to be moderate about your drinking and not to drink strong, but do it lightly. So bascially you will pervert your own bible's words to support drug use. Twist and spin away...the passages are clear enough to any sane person to decide...oh, yeah I forget that sanity eludes may religious people...obviously. No i will not, nor did i say drugs were ok. Drugs eg., coke, heroign, pot, ect are absolutely wrong. They all put you in a state of mind that isn't sober. That is all Jesus is telling us along these lines, to remain sober and not be drunk or high or anything that would allow us to do sinful actions that we normally wouldn't do. Drugs, alcohol, and all that lowers your will to do good, eg., fights, saying things you wouldn't normally say, ect ect ect. So you think alcohol is not a drug. What is it then? God's people cannot trump the AMA..LOL "Sir: "Thank you for your request which was forwarded to me from Dr. Palmisano. The American Medical Association, as does most of the scientific community, considers beverage alcohol (known as ethanol) to be a drug. It is usually classified as a central nervous system depressant although some of its initial effects on drinkers are to provide some stimulating effects. However, as blood alcohol levels increase in the body, the depressant effects become dominant. Other depressant drugs include barbiturates and opiates (e.g., heroin). Here is one of our policies which directly addresses your questions. H-30.972 Alcohol Abuse and the War on Drugs. Our AMA (1) supports documenting the strong correlation between alcohol abuse and other substance abuse; (2) reaffirms the concept that alcohol is an addictive drug and its abuse is one of the nation's leading drug problems; and (3) encourages state medical societies to work actively with drug task forces and study committees in their respective states to assure that their scope of study includes recognition of the strong correlation between alcohol abuse and other substance abuse and recommendations to decrease the immense number of health, safety, and social problems associated with alcohol abuse. (Sub. Res. 97, I-89; Reaffirmed: Sunset Report, A-00)" www.alcoholthenarcotic.org I work to save lives and give kids a chance to grow up drug free...and you apparently support drug use with your bible. For shame. Again, it's not about weather it's a drug or not. It's about staying in a sober mind. 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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. “..and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards” Matthew 24:49. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34. “Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. Romans 13:13. “Envyings, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” Galatians 5:21 Plus a few dozen more you can find in your little fairytale book thing…as for my view of adults drinking? CHEERS! unless of course you’re a Christian then YOU’RE GOING TO HELL. Repent ye SINNERS, drink not from the tit of the addictive drug beast! This post was inspired from this report. "Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. =============================== Nor DRUNKARDS, Jesus specifically tells us not to get drunk =============================== “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. ================================ This is referring to a specific person(s) that had taken a vow not to do as such. ================================ “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 ================================ This one specifically states WHEN ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation. So out of this verse, you would get don't drink before going to church ================================ “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. ================================= This verse is referring to Moses and his family that traveled for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not generally speaking the general population nor did he say not to do such actions. Only saying that they didn't do these on their journey. ================================= “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. ================================== This verse is specifically telling Marry not to drink or eat anything unclean while pregnant with Jesus, again not specifically to the general population of the world. ================================== “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. =================================== Exact verse - Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby not wise. -------------------------------------------------------------- Again saying not to be drunk, eg., whosoever is deceived thereby. And stating the ones that get drunk are not wise. ===================================== “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. ===================================== Exact verse - Isaiah 2:22 - Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nottice MIGHTY to drink win and men of strength to mingle strong drink. Still only pointing out to be moderate about your drinking and not to drink strong, but do it lightly. So bascially you will pervert your own bible's words to support drug use. Twist and spin away...the passages are clear enough to any sane person to decide...oh, yeah I forget that sanity eludes may religious people...obviously. No i will not, nor did i say drugs were ok. Drugs eg., coke, heroign, pot, ect are absolutely wrong. They all put you in a state of mind that isn't sober. That is all Jesus is telling us along these lines, to remain sober and not be drunk or high or anything that would allow us to do sinful actions that we normally wouldn't do. Drugs, alcohol, and all that lowers your will to do good, eg., fights, saying things you wouldn't normally say, ect ect ect. So you think alcohol is not a drug. What is it then? God's people cannot trump the AMA..LOL "Sir: "Thank you for your request which was forwarded to me from Dr. Palmisano. The American Medical Association, as does most of the scientific community, considers beverage alcohol (known as ethanol) to be a drug. It is usually classified as a central nervous system depressant although some of its initial effects on drinkers are to provide some stimulating effects. However, as blood alcohol levels increase in the body, the depressant effects become dominant. Other depressant drugs include barbiturates and opiates (e.g., heroin). Here is one of our policies which directly addresses your questions. H-30.972 Alcohol Abuse and the War on Drugs. Our AMA (1) supports documenting the strong correlation between alcohol abuse and other substance abuse; (2) reaffirms the concept that alcohol is an addictive drug and its abuse is one of the nation's leading drug problems; and (3) encourages state medical societies to work actively with drug task forces and study committees in their respective states to assure that their scope of study includes recognition of the strong correlation between alcohol abuse and other substance abuse and recommendations to decrease the immense number of health, safety, and social problems associated with alcohol abuse. (Sub. Res. 97, I-89; Reaffirmed: Sunset Report, A-00)" www.alcoholthenarcotic.org I work to save lives and give kids a chance to grow up drug free...and you apparently support drug use with your bible. For shame. Again, it's not about weather it's a drug or not. It's about staying in a sober mind. Someone can drink a glass of wine and remain in a sober mind. Not condoning alcoholics, drunks, or anything of such. Say you have a glass of wine at dinner, that is fine. You won't get drunk or loose any of your mental awareness. It IS about whether (not weather...lol..it's 59 and partly cloudy here) or not alcohol is a drug. IT IS and you are promoting and justifying drug use. A glass of wine at dinner is NOT what this alcohol plague is about. It's an epidemic and religious folks could care less about it...I've been over that with the "morals" candidate for Lt. Gov here...he's like you, he doesn't care that we have a major drug (alcohol) epidemic...since "Jesus turned water into wine"...so why would Jesus creat a plague...er, epidemic? Alcohol is an addictive drug no less than heroin. And BTW pot is not a addictive narcotic drug...if only Jesus had turned straw into pot then maybe you thumpers would not be so ignorant about how horrible alcohol (drug) use is in the world and would do something about it... |
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Hey, I didn't make this up...it's in the "book". Alcohol is a drug so therefore if you drink this drug you're a dope head. It's only fair. If you reply "Jesus made water into wine" and think that negates the "truth" then you'll be in good company when you arrive in hell (according to the bible). ~~~ “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10........ ...."Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?" http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)? Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice. Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol. A second, related argument is that by creating alcoholic wine, Jesus would have been promoting drunkenness, which the Bible clear identifies as sinful. This is not a valid argument. Was Jesus promoting gluttony when He multiplied the fishes and loaves far beyond what the people needed? Of course not. Creating a substance that can be abused does not make one responsible when another person foolishly chooses to abuse it. Jesus creating alcoholic wine was in no sense encouraging drunkenness. The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not! If you'll notice Jesus NEVER got "drunk". It's not the alcohol itself that is sinful. It's the quantity we drink of it that is. We are to remain in a sober mind. So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.” Isaiah 28:7. “..and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards” Matthew 24:49. “For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.” Luke 1:15. “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” Luke 21:34. “Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. Romans 13:13. “Envyings, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God” Galatians 5:21 Plus a few dozen more you can find in your little fairytale book thing…as for my view of adults drinking? CHEERS! unless of course you’re a Christian then YOU’RE GOING TO HELL. Repent ye SINNERS, drink not from the tit of the addictive drug beast! This post was inspired from this report. "Practicing What they Preach: Most Evangelical Leaders Abstain from Alcohol A family history of alcoholism and religious teachings were among the reasons cited by the 60% of U.S. evangelical leaders who said they don't drink alcohol socially, CNN reported June 24." Wait, isn't that also 40% of them who are going to HELL!... So, all this from your little bible thing is a LIE? So since Jesus didn;t drink but made water into wine and gave it out...gee, that makes Jesus a Drug Dealer then right? “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:10. =============================== Nor DRUNKARDS, Jesus specifically tells us not to get drunk =============================== “He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.” Numbers 6:3. ================================ This is referring to a specific person(s) that had taken a vow not to do as such. ================================ “Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die:” Leviticus 10:9 ================================ This one specifically states WHEN ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation. So out of this verse, you would get don't drink before going to church ================================ “You ate no bread and drank no wine or other fermented drink. I did this so that you might know that I am the LORD your God” Deuteronomy 29:6. ================================= This verse is referring to Moses and his family that traveled for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not generally speaking the general population nor did he say not to do such actions. Only saying that they didn't do these on their journey. ================================= “Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,” Judges 13:4. ================================== This verse is specifically telling Marry not to drink or eat anything unclean while pregnant with Jesus, again not specifically to the general population of the world. ================================== “Wine makes men foolish, and strong drink makes men come to blows; and whoever comes into error through these is not wise” Proverbs 20:1. =================================== Exact verse - Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby not wise. -------------------------------------------------------------- Again saying not to be drunk, eg., whosoever is deceived thereby. And stating the ones that get drunk are not wise. ===================================== “Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks” Isaiah 5:22. ===================================== Exact verse - Isaiah 2:22 - Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nottice MIGHTY to drink win and men of strength to mingle strong drink. Still only pointing out to be moderate about your drinking and not to drink strong, but do it lightly. So bascially you will pervert your own bible's words to support drug use. Twist and spin away...the passages are clear enough to any sane person to decide...oh, yeah I forget that sanity eludes may religious people...obviously. No i will not, nor did i say drugs were ok. Drugs eg., coke, heroign, pot, ect are absolutely wrong. They all put you in a state of mind that isn't sober. That is all Jesus is telling us along these lines, to remain sober and not be drunk or high or anything that would allow us to do sinful actions that we normally wouldn't do. Drugs, alcohol, and all that lowers your will to do good, eg., fights, saying things you wouldn't normally say, ect ect ect. So you think alcohol is not a drug. What is it then? God's people cannot trump the AMA..LOL "Sir: "Thank you for your request which was forwarded to me from Dr. Palmisano. The American Medical Association, as does most of the scientific community, considers beverage alcohol (known as ethanol) to be a drug. It is usually classified as a central nervous system depressant although some of its initial effects on drinkers are to provide some stimulating effects. However, as blood alcohol levels increase in the body, the depressant effects become dominant. Other depressant drugs include barbiturates and opiates (e.g., heroin). Here is one of our policies which directly addresses your questions. H-30.972 Alcohol Abuse and the War on Drugs. Our AMA (1) supports documenting the strong correlation between alcohol abuse and other substance abuse; (2) reaffirms the concept that alcohol is an addictive drug and its abuse is one of the nation's leading drug problems; and (3) encourages state medical societies to work actively with drug task forces and study committees in their respective states to assure that their scope of study includes recognition of the strong correlation between alcohol abuse and other substance abuse and recommendations to decrease the immense number of health, safety, and social problems associated with alcohol abuse. (Sub. Res. 97, I-89; Reaffirmed: Sunset Report, A-00)" www.alcoholthenarcotic.org I work to save lives and give kids a chance to grow up drug free...and you apparently support drug use with your bible. For shame. Again, it's not about weather it's a drug or not. It's about staying in a sober mind. Someone can drink a glass of wine and remain in a sober mind. Not condoning alcoholics, drunks, or anything of such. Say you have a glass of wine at dinner, that is fine. You won't get drunk or loose any of your mental awareness. It IS about whether (not weather...lol..it's 59 and partly cloudy here) or not alcohol is a drug. IT IS and you are promoting and justifying drug use. A glass of wine at dinner is NOT what this alcohol plague is about. It's an epidemic and religious folks could care less about it...I've been over that with the "morals" candidate for Lt. Gov here...he's like you, he doesn't care that we have a major drug (alcohol) epidemic...since "Jesus turned water into wine"...so why would Jesus creat a plague...er, epidemic? Alcohol is an addictive drug no less than heroin. And BTW pot is not a addictive narcotic drug...if only Jesus had turned straw into pot then maybe you thumpers would not be so ignorant about how horrible alcohol (drug) use is in the world and would do something about it... A glass of wine here and there is all it's about it. We are to remain in a sober mind and not be drunken. And with doing that, i guarantee you no one will get addicted to alcohol. Alcoholism comes from people over doing it, and being drunk, partying and such. |
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Back by popular demand: What's back? Bringing to light how you're a bible-thumping, bigotted, Atheist fundie? (and one who obviously doesn't understand the scriptures he's quoting) |
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Back by popular demand: What's back? Bringing to light how you're a bible-thumping, bigotted, Atheist fundie? (and one who obviously doesn't understand the scriptures he's quoting) aww....I thought that was me.... 
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Back by popular demand: What's back? Bringing to light how you're a bible-thumping, bigotted, Atheist fundie? (and one who obviously doesn't understand the scriptures he's quoting) Lie and deny...order of the day. These lines from your little bible thing make it obvious that anyone who drinks drug..specifically alcohol (found in "wine and strong drink") is "going to hell". Who is "misunderstanding"...LOL. Dope heads...it's no wonder why so may Thumpers are brain damaged...yall know that alcohol causes brain damage right? No? Really? "Brain damage is a common and potentially severe consequence of long-term, heavy alcohol consumption. Even mild-to-moderate drinking can adversely affect cognitive functioning." http://alcoholism.about.com/od/brain/Brain_Damage_and_Alcohol_Consumption.htm Bigot? Me? Because I don't tolerate ignorance, hypocrisy, and stupidity? Well okay then....LOL. |
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