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Topic: Do Muslims, Jews, and Christians Worship the Same God
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Fri 09/17/10 09:27 PM
DO Muslims and Christians worship the same God?

The Quran states that Muslims, Jews
and Christians worship the same God (Sura 29:46).

However, Islamic tradition teaches that
only Muslims will be admitted to Paradise. Though
they are considered "People of the Book" - a reference
to Jewish and Christian scriptures -
Jews and Christians are excluded.

Muslims claim - without providing irrefutable proof -
that Christians and Jews have corrupted the Scriptures,
and teach that everyone must instead accept
the teachings of the Quran.

When compared with the Jewish and Christian
scriptures, the teachings of Quran show that
Allah is not the same God worshipped by Jews
and Christians.



God — The Koran asserts that the god of Islam is
the God of Christians and Jews (Sura 29:46).
Nothing could be farther from the truth.7

The god of Islam, Allah, is most definitely not
the God of the Bible. Allah is presented in the Koran
as an autocratic ruler who is aloof and arbitrary
(Sura 5:40). Allah is unknowable whereas

the God of the Bible is knowable (2 Timothy 1:12).

Allah is impersonal, unlike the personal God
the Scriptures reveal (1 Peter 5:6-7).
Allah is unitarian (Sura 4:48) whereas
the God of the Bible is trinitarian
(2 Corinthians 13:14).
Here is what the Koran says about
the God of the Bible (Sura 4:171):
“Believe in Allah and say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease!
It is better for you! Allah is only One God.
Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty
that he should have a son.”

Allah is capricious (Sura 2:284), whereas

the true God is trustworthy.

And Allah is never anywhere presented as
a god of love —
which is the essence of the nature of the true God
(1 John 4:7-16).

Jesus — The Koran denies point blank that Jesus
was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3). It also denies
His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he never died
(Sura 4:157). A substitute died for Him on the Cross.
Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch, where
He will remain until He returns to kill all pigs,
destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam.
Jesus will marry, reign for 40 years and then die and
be buried next to Muhammad in Medina.8 Jesus
is characterized in the Koran as nothing more
than “an apostle of Allah” (Sura 4:171).

Source: The Truth About Islam Dr. David R. Reagan


In November, 2003, evangelical Christian
leaders took George Bush -
who indentifies himself as a Christian -
to task for his assertion that
"Muslims worship the same Almighty" that he does:

At a news conference with Prime Minister Tony Blair
in England on Thursday, a reporter noted
that Bush has often said that freedom is a gift
from "the Almighty" but questioned whether Bush believes that "Muslims worship the same Almighty" that he does.

"I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift
to every person," the president replied.
"I also condition it by saying freedom is not
America's gift to the world.
It's much greater than that, of course.
And I believe we worship the same god."

Bush's remarks sent immediate shock waves
through Christian Web sites and radio broadcasts.
A Baptist Press report quoted Richard D. Land,
president of the public policy arm
of the Southern Baptist Convention,
the nation's largest Protestant denomination,
as saying that Bush "is simply mistaken."

"We should always remember that he is
commander in chief, not theologian in chief,"
Land said in a telephone interview yesterday.
"The Bible is clear on this:
The one and true god is Jehovah,
and his only begotten son is Jesus Christ."

The Rev. Ted Haggard, president of
the National Association of Evangelicals,
also issued a statement contradicting Bush.

"The Christian God encourages freedom,
love, forgiveness, prosperity and health.
The Muslim god appears to value the opposite.
The personalities of each god are evident
in the cultures, civilizations and dispositions
of the peoples that serve them.
Muhammad's central message was submission;
Jesus' central message was love.
They seem to be very different personalities,"
Haggard said.

Source: Bush's Remark About God Assailed Washington Post,
Nov. 22, 2003

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/i07ab.html

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Fri 09/17/10 10:41 PM
Lets not forget what Bush also said in this interview.


http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2008/12/10/president-bush-asked-if-bible-is-literally-true-probably-not.aspx


Interviewer Cynthia McFadden asked Bush if the Bible was literally true.

“You know. Probably not. … No, I’m not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it, but I do think that the New Testament for example is … has got … You know, the important lesson is ‘God sent a son,’” Bush said.

“It is hard for me to justify or prove the mystery of the Almighty in my life,” he said. “All I can just tell you is that I got back into religion and I quit drinking shortly thereafter and I asked for help. … I was a one-step program guy.”

The president also said that he prays to the same God as those with different religious beliefs.
“I do believe there is an almighty that is broad and big enough and loving enough that can encompass a lot of people,” Bush said.



This whole nonsense that Christians and Muslims worship the same God is such total nonsense I would have a hard time believing that statement even if I was a atheist.


If these two religions are so closely the same then Christians should go into a Muslim church and see little or no difference and Muslims should go into a Christian church and see little or no difference.Yet we all know they are worlds apart and not compatible at all.

With out even doing any research I can think of many differences.

Muslims have to pray a minimum amount of times a day,in a certain direction and on their hands and knees....Christians do not have any of these rules.

Islam requires every Muslim to make a trek to Mecca at least once in his or her life....Christians have no such rule.

Islam teaches that men are superior to women in every way...Christianity treats men and women equal.

Islam rewards suicide attacks and death of non believers with 72 virgins in heaven...Not only does Christianity not command death to unbelievers,suicide is strictly forbidden.Men are not rewarded with one virgin in heaven let alone 72 and sexual intercourse is never mentioned in the bible.

A Koran must never be put on the ground or handled by "The infedels".The Holy bible has no rules where it should be set down or handled by others.

You can leave Christianity for any religion at any time with no punishment from the church or other Christians.Leaving Islam for another religion is punishable by death.

Christians and other people from other religions are forbidden to enter cites like Mecca and their churches.All are welcome to Christian churches.


Islam is intolerant towards other religions,wants them destroyed or converted,and believes they do not have the right to exist.Christianity ignores other religions and allows them the free will to do what they want.Christianity is tolerant towards all religions.



I could go on and on.

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Fri 09/17/10 11:22 PM
ok idiots believe a snake tempted eve...well a snake is long and hard,ok then so cain killed abel and did eve have incest?really people worship this ****,wow just wow

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Sat 09/18/10 01:42 AM
I believe its most likely that there is ONE God, yes,,


its the details of his message and his prophets which differs

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Sat 09/18/10 02:03 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 09/18/10 02:04 AM
muslims and christians are not IDENTICAL, but there are very similar ROOTS

1.In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, ‘Let there be light’; and there was light.” (Genesis 1: 1-3)

“To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth; when He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: ‘Be’; and it is.” (Qur'an 2: 117)


2. “Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God, the Lord alone. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.” (Deuteronomy 6: 4-5)

“And your God is one God; there is no god but He Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Behold! (Qur'an 2: 163)

3.“You are the descendants of the prophets and of the covenant that God gave to your ancestors, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your descendants all the families of the earth shall be blessed’.” (Acts 3: 25)

“And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled; He said: ‘I will make thee an Imam to the nations’.” (Qur'an 2: 124)


4.“Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that the Adam should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.” (Genesis 2: 15)

“And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts.” (Qur'an 30: 21)

5. “Do not repay evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord’. No, ‘if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads’. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” (Romans 12: 17-21)

“Those who avoid the greater crimes and shameful deeds, and, when they are angry even then forgive; Those who harken to their Lord, and establish regular prayer; who conduct their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance; And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, are not cowed but help and defend themselves. The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto in degree: but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due, from God … But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs.” (Qur'an 42: 37-43)




read more at: http://www.changethestory.net/?q=content/quran-bible-torah-comparison

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Mon 10/18/10 08:47 PM

Islam teaches that men are superior to women in every way...Christianity treats men and women equal.


Have you even read the bible? Just off the top of my head I can remember the Bible saying that a woman cannot have any opinions on her own that are not first approved by her husband or father. A woman is not even allowed to speak in Church. Hell if a woman is raped, all the man has to do is pay money and he can marry her regardless of her desires. Women, in the bible are anything but equal to men. Hell if you want I could search up a lot more than this.


Islam rewards suicide attacks and death of non believers with 72 virgins in heaven...Not only does Christianity not command death to unbelievers,suicide is strictly forbidden.Men are not rewarded with one virgin in heaven let alone 72 and sexual intercourse is never mentioned in the bible.


This has nothing to do with Islam. This is stuff that terrorists tell kids to believe what they do is right. Similar to priests telling men that Native Americans or Africans were less than human and cursed by god in order to justify any cruelty done to them.

I don't even like the muslim faith and I know that Terrorism does not equal Islam.


Islam is intolerant towards other religions,wants them destroyed or converted,and believes they do not have the right to exist.Christianity ignores other religions and allows them the free will to do what they want.Christianity is tolerant towards all religions.


The Crusades, Witch hunts, Westboro baptist church. The Crusades were several wars against the muslims, where thousands of muslims and jews were killed because they were considered heathens.


I could go on and on.


So could I.

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Mon 10/18/10 11:07 PM


Islam teaches that men are superior to women in every way...Christianity treats men and women equal.


Have you even read the bible? Just off the top of my head I can remember the Bible saying that a woman cannot have any opinions on her own that are not first approved by her husband or father. A woman is not even allowed to speak in Church. Hell if a woman is raped, all the man has to do is pay money and he can marry her regardless of her desires. Women, in the bible are anything but equal to men. Hell if you want I could search up a lot more than this.


Islam rewards suicide attacks and death of non believers with 72 virgins in heaven...Not only does Christianity not command death to unbelievers,suicide is strictly forbidden.Men are not rewarded with one virgin in heaven let alone 72 and sexual intercourse is never mentioned in the bible.


This has nothing to do with Islam. This is stuff that terrorists tell kids to believe what they do is right. Similar to priests telling men that Native Americans or Africans were less than human and cursed by god in order to justify any cruelty done to them.

I don't even like the muslim faith and I know that Terrorism does not equal Islam.


Islam is intolerant towards other religions,wants them destroyed or converted,and believes they do not have the right to exist.Christianity ignores other religions and allows them the free will to do what they want.Christianity is tolerant towards all religions.


The Crusades, Witch hunts, Westboro baptist church. The Crusades were several wars against the muslims, where thousands of muslims and jews were killed because they were considered heathens.


I could go on and on.


So could I.


You're right on target with everything you've said. :thumbsup:

It would truly be foolish for any Christian to attempt to deny these things.


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Mon 10/18/10 11:30 PM


Islam teaches that men are superior to women in every way...Christianity treats men and women equal.


Have you even read the bible? Just off the top of my head I can remember the Bible saying that a woman cannot have any opinions on her own that are not first approved by her husband or father. A woman is not even allowed to speak in Church. Hell if a woman is raped, all the man has to do is pay money and he can marry her regardless of her desires. Women, in the bible are anything but equal to men. Hell if you want I could search up a lot more than this.


Islam rewards suicide attacks and death of non believers with 72 virgins in heaven...Not only does Christianity not command death to unbelievers,suicide is strictly forbidden.Men are not rewarded with one virgin in heaven let alone 72 and sexual intercourse is never mentioned in the bible.


This has nothing to do with Islam. This is stuff that terrorists tell kids to believe what they do is right. Similar to priests telling men that Native Americans or Africans were less than human and cursed by god in order to justify any cruelty done to them.

I don't even like the muslim faith and I know that Terrorism does not equal Islam.


Islam is intolerant towards other religions,wants them destroyed or converted,and believes they do not have the right to exist.Christianity ignores other religions and allows them the free will to do what they want.Christianity is tolerant towards all religions.


The Crusades, Witch hunts, Westboro baptist church. The Crusades were several wars against the muslims, where thousands of muslims and jews were killed because they were considered heathens.


I could go on and on.


So could I.


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Have you even read the bible? Just off the top of my head I can remember the Bible saying that a woman cannot have any opinions on her own that are not first approved by her husband or father. A woman is not even allowed to speak in Church. Hell if a woman is raped, all the man has to do is pay money and he can marry her regardless of her desires. Women, in the bible are anything but equal to men. Hell if you want I could search up a lot more than this.
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Men and women are equal. Men is the head and the woman is the heart of the body of the family. The head *man* can not survive without the heart *woman*. The head*man* is what makes the decisions and tells the rest of the body*family* how to operate. The heart*woman* gives strength and life to the head*man* and body*family*
The body*family* can not operate correctly without either the head*man* or heart*woman. Both is needed equally. Different jobs, different duitys, but yet they work as one for one goal controlling and making live the body*family*
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This has nothing to do with Islam. This is stuff that terrorists tell kids to believe what they do is right. Similar to priests telling men that Native Americans or Africans were less than human and cursed by god in order to justify any cruelty done to them.
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If this was referancing Christianity priests/preachers, it is their failings of delivery the word. For the word teaches us none of this. We are ALL equal, regardless of race, ethnic, or other. We are ALL sinners and all EQUAL.
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The Crusades, Witch hunts, Westboro baptist church. The Crusades were several wars against the muslims, where thousands of muslims and jews were killed because they were considered heathens.
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Again this is from failings of a particular person(s) failing the word. In no way does the word teach us to behave as such. Again, we are ALL equal in this life. No one is greater, no one is worse. We are ALL equal.
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Tue 10/19/10 08:13 AM



Islam teaches that men are superior to women in every way...Christianity treats men and women equal.


Have you even read the bible? Just off the top of my head I can remember the Bible saying that a woman cannot have any opinions on her own that are not first approved by her husband or father. A woman is not even allowed to speak in Church. Hell if a woman is raped, all the man has to do is pay money and he can marry her regardless of her desires. Women, in the bible are anything but equal to men. Hell if you want I could search up a lot more than this.


Islam rewards suicide attacks and death of non believers with 72 virgins in heaven...Not only does Christianity not command death to unbelievers,suicide is strictly forbidden.Men are not rewarded with one virgin in heaven let alone 72 and sexual intercourse is never mentioned in the bible.


This has nothing to do with Islam. This is stuff that terrorists tell kids to believe what they do is right. Similar to priests telling men that Native Americans or Africans were less than human and cursed by god in order to justify any cruelty done to them.

I don't even like the muslim faith and I know that Terrorism does not equal Islam.


Islam is intolerant towards other religions,wants them destroyed or converted,and believes they do not have the right to exist.Christianity ignores other religions and allows them the free will to do what they want.Christianity is tolerant towards all religions.


The Crusades, Witch hunts, Westboro baptist church. The Crusades were several wars against the muslims, where thousands of muslims and jews were killed because they were considered heathens.


I could go on and on.


So could I.


You're right on target with everything you've said. :thumbsup:

It would truly be foolish for any Christian to attempt to deny these things.




like that ever stopped 'em...laugh

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Tue 10/19/10 09:11 AM
a woman cannot have any opinions on her own that are not first approved by her husband or father. A woman is not even allowed to speak in Church. Hell if a woman is raped, all the man has to do is pay money and he can marry her regardless of her desires

this is more of that 'taking small parts of a big book' tactic which totally presents things out of context and another example of how both sides do it,,,



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Tue 10/19/10 09:40 AM
imagine being alive, living a full life, wondering your whole life what comes after death. Seeing people u love go to sleep and not wake up,people are bad,they don't care about anything there is crime there is not anything worth living for.Someone begins to speak up, starts telling stories about higher powers or God saying this is how he wants you to live. So the person talking thinks about what would be the ideal way to make the world a better place. He creates religion, people begin to listen due to natural unexplained events cities are destroyed from floods and earthquakes the man says it's his god's wrath on the people for their sin. The people out of fear believe him and begin trying to talk to or 'pray' to the higher power the man created. Soon what people see in their lives as far events that they cannot explain start leaving stories of the natural disasters taking place to their children. but because that they have never seen it before or know how it happened they try to cope with it by believing it's their god. Word spreads around and so does the faith. this is how religion began or at least how my theory sees it i'd appreciate any feed back on my theory =D

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Tue 10/19/10 09:42 AM




Islam teaches that men are superior to women in every way...Christianity treats men and women equal.


Have you even read the bible? Just off the top of my head I can remember the Bible saying that a woman cannot have any opinions on her own that are not first approved by her husband or father. A woman is not even allowed to speak in Church. Hell if a woman is raped, all the man has to do is pay money and he can marry her regardless of her desires. Women, in the bible are anything but equal to men. Hell if you want I could search up a lot more than this.


Islam rewards suicide attacks and death of non believers with 72 virgins in heaven...Not only does Christianity not command death to unbelievers,suicide is strictly forbidden.Men are not rewarded with one virgin in heaven let alone 72 and sexual intercourse is never mentioned in the bible.


This has nothing to do with Islam. This is stuff that terrorists tell kids to believe what they do is right. Similar to priests telling men that Native Americans or Africans were less than human and cursed by god in order to justify any cruelty done to them.

I don't even like the muslim faith and I know that Terrorism does not equal Islam.


Islam is intolerant towards other religions,wants them destroyed or converted,and believes they do not have the right to exist.Christianity ignores other religions and allows them the free will to do what they want.Christianity is tolerant towards all religions.


The Crusades, Witch hunts, Westboro baptist church. The Crusades were several wars against the muslims, where thousands of muslims and jews were killed because they were considered heathens.


I could go on and on.


So could I.


You're right on target with everything you've said. :thumbsup:

It would truly be foolish for any Christian to attempt to deny these things.




like that ever stopped 'em...laugh

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Tue 10/19/10 09:44 AM
im just curious about the whole 72 virgins thing with muslims. whats the point of having 72 or however many virgins if you won't have a dick to do anything with in the first place your dead you dick kinda stays with your body. So what can you do with 72 virgins with no dick is my question. Im guessing that they're gonna stay virgins

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Tue 10/19/10 09:46 AM

imagine being alive, living a full life, wondering your whole life what comes after death. Seeing people u love go to sleep and not wake up,people are bad,they don't care about anything there is crime there is not anything worth living for.Someone begins to speak up, starts telling stories about higher powers or God saying this is how he wants you to live. So the person talking thinks about what would be the ideal way to make the world a better place. He creates religion, people begin to listen due to natural unexplained events cities are destroyed from floods and earthquakes the man says it's his god's wrath on the people for their sin. The people out of fear believe him and begin trying to talk to or 'pray' to the higher power the man created. Soon what people see in their lives as far events that they cannot explain start leaving stories of the natural disasters taking place to their children. but because that they have never seen it before or know how it happened they try to cope with it by believing it's their god. Word spreads around and so does the faith. this is how religion began or at least how my theory sees it i'd appreciate any feed back on my theory =D


It's not a new hypothesis and it ignores a great deal of evidence. For instance: It wasn't an accepted belief among Jews during Jesus' time (and possibly still) that there was life after death. To the ancient Hebrews, God created life and then life died and stayed dead. I'm no ancient religion expert, but that does put a crimp in your hypothesis.

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Tue 10/19/10 09:49 AM
Do Muslims, Jews, and Christians Worship the Same God


God goes by many names

Gaia
Yahweh
The Father
Allah
Buddha
Bruce Lee

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Tue 10/19/10 09:56 AM
k thank you i was just curious but i did leave out a lot it was just a small part of my theory including the unexplained events and i am not talking about christianity i am talking about the beginning of religion starting with the start of man

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Tue 10/19/10 10:22 AM

im just curious about the whole 72 virgins thing with muslims. whats the point of having 72 or however many virgins if you won't have a dick to do anything with in the first place your dead you dick kinda stays with your body. So what can you do with 72 virgins with no dick is my question. Im guessing that they're gonna stay virgins


it's possible to have a workable tallywhacker as a spirit...that's how one of the trinity Gods supposedly impregnated The Virgin Mary ...but trying to have sex with 72 tight vagina virgins may be more of a Hell than a Heaven ...your tallywhacker may have to go through a second death afterwards

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:30 AM

Do Muslims, Jews, and Christians Worship the Same God


God goes by many names

Gaia
Yahweh
The Father
Allah
Buddha
Bruce Lee


You forgot Jeff Beck. :banana:

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Tue 10/19/10 10:31 AM


Do Muslims, Jews, and Christians Worship the Same God


God goes by many names

Gaia
Yahweh
The Father
Allah
Buddha
Bruce Lee


You forgot Jeff Beck. :banana:


oh God

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Tue 10/19/10 10:40 AM

a woman cannot have any opinions on her own that are not first approved by her husband or father. A woman is not even allowed to speak in Church. Hell if a woman is raped, all the man has to do is pay money and he can marry her regardless of her desires

this is more of that 'taking small parts of a big book' tactic which totally presents things out of context and another example of how both sides do it,,,






good point.

I wonder if anyone even knows who Debra was?..Blessings...Miles

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