Topic: Can guys be friends with girls?
Countrydawn's photo
Wed 10/20/10 04:46 PM
Edited by Countrydawn on Wed 10/20/10 04:50 PM

Countrydawn's photo
Wed 10/20/10 04:49 PM

it would seem remiss not to notice that many men have "female friends", for the admiration that a women can provide, sometimes the greater admiration of "sex" wanted, but, willing to settle for something rather than nothing.

likewise, many women have many male "friends", for the admiration male's naturally provide to a women, and will forgo the greater admiration of "sex", rather than settle for nothing.

a "i'll scratch your back if you scratch mind"...

for who would really be around anyone, unless their was basic admiration?

is it thought that the "need" for admiration in annother, means they care about self?

such be the grand illusion.

hence why it was once said, if one have "one" true friend, in it's lifetime, it be lucky.

anytime one wants a larger scratch than what is willing to be given back, touble in the "small reality" of the self opportunist.

then trouble in the paradise or hell of the "friends zone"...

not a bad deal, for all desires are are being equally met?

it may appear as such, but why then such drama in random cases, seeming to have no common denominator, or seeming to, if using COMPARISON of another's experiences to gain insight.

awh, the self opportunist perception be so small, the cannot see the "action" never belie the truest motive and intent, and being they always stare at the "physical action" of ALL THINGS, trying to decide and determine the true motive, they access incorrectly time and time again, hence, history, or the same thing, in varied degree's, happening over and again...

some coming to realize such, simply revert to singular life, forgoing the "possible" reoccurence of past days, and other's become more reckless throwing all caution to the wind with self abandon.

the more as days progress, the least past tactic's that "guide" in interaction will be successful, and so greater comes to be the "single's" group, and the "cautionless" group...

even in past days, before the population has increased to "collective energy thresholds, it twas very random and seldom that these "two" in the friend zone could maintain, balancing the unspoken desires of both, and only could, if ALL involved spoke all wants in total honesty, or respected the other enough not to persue them...

however, it cannot be missed, that each day, respect for the "want" of other's as equal to self want declines...

for the mentality of the "primitive" take what one want, becomes more increasingly accepted as "good" belief and fair to the taker...

so, in present days, not to be confused with yesterday, since nothing stays the same, or it exist not...

if the accumulative self interest of ONE, has been smothered, or ignored, or restrained, in the hopes of working toward a "greater involvement", then when any day comes that such "possible" is realized as TOTALLY "impossible", of course, a sad day for ONE...

ah, but perhaps for even two, lol...

for what and how do human's react, when and if they feel as if they have sacrificed, and given, and worked, and committed "some" unto another, to get back what they want for themself?

FRUSTRATION INDEED.

for the sight they have given, and shall NOT RECIEVE, deals the irrational death blow to more and momre each day...

alas, they were but only "self opportunists", and when opportunity be taken from them, even if all along they were told with plain speak such would not be provided, they can still become bitter, angered, and even enraged...

for they never actually believed the words the other spoke, but rather only looked for ways to surmount them, believing themself able to "change" the desired outcome...

and in these days of the supreme "self supremacist" attitude, such can indeed create the "drama", the jerry springer mentality, of the volatile words and actions that come forth, even unto sadly possible fatal results for some.

the more human's endorse such opportunistic methods of behaviour as acceptable as a whole, the greater the collective energy of such, this easily reverting back some and more to primitive instinct of "insistence and demand for self", primitive as even a child, for even a child must forsake such notion's to walk "balanced" within society, or a place of many...

the more such collective energy of the "self want as supreme" be embraced, the more it shall "engulf" the self opportunist, even they themself wondering later why the **** the acted out so irrationally, and even against what they declared and "thought" and convinced themself they loved...

ah, for indeed, these stuck their head into the collective bitterness and resentment of not just themself, but into the collective bitterness and resentment of the collective entire energy of the world at large.

indeed, as each day progress, and the accumulative collective energy of the world become's all the more "accusing", against what does not give, or agree with self, hence therefore the more "quick to anger", all shall somehow sense themself becoming...

easily provoked, irritable, more brain fog, less ability to focus, less ability to communicate intricate thought and feelings...

so, the "surface" world of the "ego" alone speaks and acts...

and ego protected create more ego...

and ego endorsed, create more ego manic mentality, so more ego words and actions...

such shall create increasingly the elimination of the ability to choose and decide with carefree abandonment who and what one involve itself with, for the entire most perception of the mass embraced, has come to be thru a dark negative conundrum, accessing what provide not to self as more sinister, and unfair, and therefore somehow a quicker assessment of such as an enemey of self.

these such innner workings of the human consciousness shall be overlooked most by what "stare at itself", for the perception of taken into the brain, for what only looks to see how "all things shall effect self, be a smaller and smaller perception, therefore becoming more and more desperate with the less that self can get or find for itself...

therefore the "self opportunist" that be the weakest in physical strength and mental strength, becomes the one most vulnerbale, being taken unaware as to why more and more are reacting so volatile to the same things that in past days wself could have spoken and done with no problem...

due to all these things as one, the ability of the collective mass to handle environmental situation's with calm and rational thought deduction shall decrease.

it be most unwise to assume that what worked yesterday shall work today, as yesterday IS NEVER THE SAME AS TODAY, even though to the self opportunist and self preservationist it appear so.

everything is shifting and morphing and evolving right under one's feet, even thought no thought be given to it, and as well, all be evolving in the air, where the collective energy that human's create themself travels as an invisible hand, such altering and morphing and evolving the "feelings" that shape each mortal being, even surprising with unpleasant surprises those most who but stare at themself.

welcome to primetime.

once cent





Wow ....you really are covering all the bases in your reply! I wish it could be simple. If one needs a friend one gives friendship.

no photo
Wed 10/20/10 04:54 PM
countrydawn, i'm sorry i screwed up your thread. i took it that you wanted to know if a guy REALLY likes a girl, AND she could care less about him, could they be friends? i have friends that are women, but there is not an interest either way. thing is i really think that if a guy REALLY likes a girl, AND she doesn't feel anything for him, there is no way they can truely be friends. once again i'm sorry.

davidben1's photo
Wed 10/20/10 05:56 PM
if another be important, than as well, all the bases that create all unhappiness for any be important as well.

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Wed 10/20/10 06:50 PM

I have a bunch of girls that are friends. Mostly women I work with. Some go as far back as High School. That’s half the problem with meeting potential new partners They just don't get it... That were just friends and I refuse to not continue the friendships with them.
Can some of ladies explain why guys can't have girls as strictly friends?
grumble


well actually, I have found that going out to listen to my friends' band play with another male friend as my bud, spelled DOOM for my chances to meet anyone else cuzall the guys there -including one of the band members I "liked" thought we were a couple...whoa


AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 10/20/10 07:34 PM

Hey Guys......if you liked a girl alot and she doesn't feel the same but really values your friendship....could you be her friend?

Of course.

Friends are unconditional.

Goofball73's photo
Wed 10/20/10 08:05 PM

can a guy go into a women's locker room and not get a chubby? if yes, then they can probably handle the friends zone.


Hell. Woman walks into a male locker room, and dudes sport wood. And they call that sexual harrasment! WTH??? grumble laugh

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Thu 10/21/10 06:04 AM


I have a bunch of girls that are friends. Mostly women I work with. Some go as far back as High School. That’s half the problem with meeting potential new partners They just don't get it... That were just friends and I refuse to not continue the friendships with them.
Can some of ladies explain why guys can't have girls as strictly friends?
grumble


well actually, I have found that going out to listen to my friends' band play with another male friend as my bud, spelled DOOM for my chances to meet anyone else cuzall the guys there -including one of the band members I "liked" thought we were a couple...whoa




Yeah-I have that problem too!
I've had several guy friends since high school that I'm still close with & have had sex with (basically, out of curiosity & boredom as youngsters)! We are still close and they're other halves love me! But, when a guy really likes a girl in a marriage/LTR nature it's probably different! My most recent ex & I have had a hard time trying to remain friends for that reason.

talldub's photo
Thu 10/21/10 06:13 AM

Hey Guys......if you liked a girl alot and she doesn't feel the same but really values your friendship....could you be her friend?

Sure. One of my best friends I met in 1995 and was seriously into her but she didn't feel the same way. We've been great friends ever since.

leveller1's photo
Thu 10/21/10 12:04 PM
No reason why a man can not be friends with a woman - whatever his romantic feelings towards her. I have several female friends - no problem there at all. You can also spin the question around of course. Several years ago I had a close friendship with a girl who made it obvious that she wanted more from me. I was always up front and honest with her. The truth is that I love her as a friend, but had (have) no romantic feelings towards her. For years - around about once every few months - she would bring out the old chestnut (her feelings for me) and I would gently explain that nothing was going to come of it as I simply do not feel that way about her - besides which - whoever happened to be her present boyfriend was unlikely to be impressed. Truth is these conversations were never comfortable ones - feels like you are really letting that person down; and I hate to see a friend hurting - but better that than simply going along with something dishonestly.

After a few years these occasional conversations stopped and yes - we have remained friends.

Countrydawn's photo
Sun 10/24/10 09:30 AM
Thank you all so much for your input on the subject. It always is a great help to hear different perspectives. But...I agree with the guys who say they could be just friends. I feel....if the tables were turned.... I could be just a friend......not to...it's like saying....I don't believe in myself and also saying to that other person you are not valued enough for friendship. Not to be a persons friend just because they don't feel more for you.....is really like saying... I never liked you to begin with. That is how it feels anyway.

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Sun 10/24/10 09:35 AM
What I dont appreciate is the old friend in sheeps clothing. They make like they are your friend, you relax and start spilling intimate details that you would only disclose to your friend and then WHAMMO!!! off comes the disguise and they pull the "Ive always been in love with you" crap Grrrrrrr rant

Gossipmpm's photo
Sun 10/24/10 09:46 AM
i wouldn't trade my Harley ridin male freinds for anything in the world.................


they always have my back...............they are my brothers till the end!!!!!


I love you my brothers!!:heart:

venusenvy's photo
Sun 10/24/10 09:50 AM

if another be important, than as well, all the bases that create all unhappiness for any be important as well.



K...I have NO clue what that even means ohwell

davidben1's photo
Sun 10/24/10 09:56 AM
what is a "friend"?

one who is willing to "give to another"?

such seems to be the most common notion in this "modern" society.

"willing" is but WANTING to do so, IF SELF CAN SEE A POSSIBILITY, OF SELF WISHES BEING CREATED OR GIVEN, or to have IT'S OWN BACK SCRATCHED, WHEN "ITSELF" DEEM THE TIME HAS COME?

lol...

to "WANT" to make another's agenda, another's WANT'S, another's aspiration's and persuit of happiness, as important as self's?

can such actually exist?

if self has TWO primary root "drives", or MOTIVE'S, this in itself create self's own CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

like a banker loaning to his own family, is deemed a conflict of interest?

because the self WILL NOT BE WITHOUT BIAS?

a constant tug of war, would be induced in the self, BY HAVING "TWO" DIFFERENT MOTIVE'S, one of SELF WANT AS SUPREME, and another as "ANOTHER'S WANT AS SUPREME"?

no human is supposed to see it's OWN WANT, OR THE "WANT" OF ANOTHER AS SUPREME TO START WITH, as it be imposssible, LEST TWO WERE IDENTICAL?

but the notion has come to be believed, that ONESELF BE "LOVED", BY WHAT "WANT" THE EXACT SAME THING AS SELF, AT EACH TIME SELF WANT IT, WHEN SELF WANT IT, HOW SELF WANT IT...

it is sheer delusion, AS NO TWO ENTITIES ARE EXACT?

so no wonder "love" be dying, lol...

it dosen't exist, LEST there be only ONE want that could be supreme, and this COULD NOT IN REALITY OCCUR, UNLESS BOTH SET OF "IDEAL'S", WANTS, DEFINITION'S OF "HAPPY" FOR BOTH, WERE THE "SAME", at all times?

but do not these change each day, as self progress in EXPERIENCE AS REALITY LIVED OUT?

so, WANTS CHANGE AS WELL, AND ARE SUPPOSED TO, if self is LEARNING ANYTHING?

it seems only knowing such things, wwould be the only way or actuality of TWO SETS OF "WANT'S" TRAVELING IN THE "SAME DIRECTION"...

yea, for a while, self will 'sacrifice', some of it's WANT'S, if it gets something in return, BUT THIS ONLY CREATES A "BROKERING BUSINESS", of each giving caring, affection, admiration, trust, honesty, communication, IF IT CAN BE SEEN SUCH WILL "BENEFIT SELF"...

lol...

if athe day comes, as it HAS TO, since ALL ARE MORPHING, WITH REALITY LIVED, that it can be seen, or KNOWN, that giving any such things, WILL NOT GET SELF A GOOD RETURN FOR ITSELF, then such things will no longer be "given" FROM PERSPECTIVE LOVER, and so as such, each actually coming to see in REALITY, who actually loved them, BEYOND WHAT THEY "LOVED TO GET FOR THEMSELF"...

the very words "i love you", has come to mean, I LOVE WHAT YOU DO FOR ME, LOL...

but the moment you don't, YOU DON'T "LOVE ME", lol...

the words in present society mentality, are the most manipluative, as these words have the LARGEST STEEL BRAIDED CABLE TIED TO THEM, if they are spoken because SELF EXPECTS THE SAME IN RETURN, IT ITSELF BE THE SLIGHTED, OR THE VICTIM.

to love another as a friend, is to SET THEM FREE, TO ENCOURAGE THEM, TO PERSUE "THEIR WANTS", regardless of what SELF WANTS BE.








venusenvy's photo
Sun 10/24/10 09:58 AM

what is a "friend"?

one who is willing to "give to another"?

such seems to be the most common notion in this "modern" society.

"willing" is but WANTING to do so, IF SELF CAN SEE A POSSIBILITY, OF SELF WISHES BEING CREATED OR GIVEN, or to have IT'S OWN BACK SCRATCHED, WHEN "ITSELF" DEEM THE TIME HAS COME?

lol...

to "WANT" to make another's agenda, another's WANT'S, another's aspiration's and persuit of happiness, as important as self's?

can such actually exist?

if self has TWO primary root "drives", or MOTIVE'S, this in itself create self's own CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

like a banker loaning to his own family, is deemed a conflict of interest?

because the self WILL NOT BE WITHOUT BIAS?

a constant tug of war, would be induced in the self, BY HAVING "TWO" DIFFERENT MOTIVE'S, one of SELF WANT AS SUPREME, and another as "ANOTHER'S WANT AS SUPREME"?

no human is supposed to see it's OWN WANT, OR THE "WANT" OF ANOTHER AS SUPREME TO START WITH, as it be imposssible, LEST TWO WERE IDENTICAL?

but the notion has come to be believed, that ONESELF BE "LOVED", BY WHAT "WANT" THE EXACT SAME THING AS SELF, AT EACH TIME SELF WANT IT, WHEN SELF WANT IT, HOW SELF WANT IT...

it is sheer delusion, AS NO TWO ENTITIES ARE EXACT?

so no wonder "love" be dying, lol...

it dosen't exist, LEST there be only ONE want that could be supreme, and this COULD NOT IN REALITY OCCUR, UNLESS BOTH SET OF "IDEAL'S", WANTS, DEFINITION'S OF "HAPPY" FOR BOTH, WERE THE "SAME", at all times?

but do not these change each day, as self progress in EXPERIENCE AS REALITY LIVED OUT?

so, WANTS CHANGE AS WELL, AND ARE SUPPOSED TO, if self is LEARNING ANYTHING?

it seems only knowing such things, wwould be the only way or actuality of TWO SETS OF "WANT'S" TRAVELING IN THE "SAME DIRECTION"...

yea, for a while, self will 'sacrifice', some of it's WANT'S, if it gets something in return, BUT THIS ONLY CREATES A "BROKERING BUSINESS", of each giving caring, affection, admiration, trust, honesty, communication, IF IT CAN BE SEEN SUCH WILL "BENEFIT SELF"...

lol...

if athe day comes, as it HAS TO, since ALL ARE MORPHING, WITH REALITY LIVED, that it can be seen, or KNOWN, that giving any such things, WILL NOT GET SELF A GOOD RETURN FOR ITSELF, then such things will no longer be "given" FROM PERSPECTIVE LOVER, and so as such, each actually coming to see in REALITY, who actually loved them, BEYOND WHAT THEY "LOVED TO GET FOR THEMSELF"...

the very words "i love you", has come to mean, I LOVE WHAT YOU DO FOR ME, LOL...

but the moment you don't, YOU DON'T "LOVE ME", lol...

the words in present society mentality, are the most manipluative, as these words have the LARGEST STEEL BRAIDED CABLE TIED TO THEM, if they are spoken because SELF EXPECTS THE SAME IN RETURN, IT ITSELF BE THE SLIGHTED, OR THE VICTIM.

to love another as a friend, is to SET THEM FREE, TO ENCOURAGE THEM, TO PERSUE "THEIR WANTS", regardless of what SELF WANTS BE.











Goodness! that just made it worse ohwell

chelsea466's photo
Sun 10/24/10 10:39 AM
I have a guy friends where there is nothing beyond just friends and we are both okay with that.

Then I have a guy friend who has liked me since public school and I have told him we are just friends and that nothing will change. He knows that but continues to be a really good friend to me.

I think as long as both people have a lot of communication and honesty then you have nothing to worry about.

Countrydawn's photo
Sun 10/24/10 11:10 AM
I think what davidbed is saying.... ...more simple words....don't think about it just give without expectations of receiving anything in return. Truly valuing others with respect, trust and giving sacrificially. It's the only true way to be a friend. Something very hard to find in our natural human nature. But, what you get when two individuals who understand this concept...... is a friendship to die for.

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Sun 10/24/10 12:20 PM
i have found that most girl friends r more concerned with what im doing in my spare time than they should be but i would rather have them as a friend than nothin at all

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Sun 10/24/10 12:23 PM

Hey Guys......if you liked a girl alot and she doesn't feel the same but really values your friendship....could you be her friend?


I would have to say yes.

From the age of 15 until about 2 years ago, most of my friends have been been women. I always found women to be more intelligent, better communicators, better problem-solvers, more open-minded, and more interesting to spend time with.