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Thu 10/21/10 12:04 PM
The Top Ten Atheist Myths

"We all know that many theists are so closed-minded about us that they won't even talk to us, let alone try to understand us. This is usually not their fault, as they are told terrible things about us by people they trust, their preachers, whose whole livelihood depends on their parishioners staying in the flock.

It is this prejudice and conflict which is one of the main factors keeping atheists in the closet and theists in ignorance. With dialogue, not prejudice, both sides will benefit and the country will become a freer place. In this article I will therefore mention many of the myths about atheists that are popular among theists, as well as my usual responses. With any luck, this will prepare atheists for future confrontations and therefore make them more confident to announce themselves, as well as allow theist readers to better understand the atheist mentality.

Myth 1 ~ "Atheists are all the same" -- You can understand why theists believe this, after being told this over and over by their preachers. This belief is reinforced by the fact that believers must be bound by much more than a simple belief in God. For example, Catholics must also have the same stances on abortion, contraception, and homosexuality in order to be called a "good Catholic." It only goes to follow that atheism must be similar.

However, atheism is not a religion, rather the absence of religion. As such, we are bound only by our atheism. We are republicans and democrats, men and women, gays and straights, blacks and whites. We accept every person as they are as equals, and delight in our diversity (not many religions can say that). We disagree with each other on many issues, and discussion is encouraged and common. Above all, atheists demand the right to disagree, even if it means with each other.

Myth 2 ~ "Atheists have no morals, since they don't believe in God" - What a sad world it is when people can seriously say that humans need to fear eternal damnation in order to do good. It is the one statement which at the same time stirs both anger and pity in most atheists; anger because it is a bigoted, prejudicial statement which serves no purpose except to promote intolerance, and pity because it highlights the speaker's ignorance and willingness to accept such crap without question.

At the risk of validating the question, a reply needs to be made in order to expose the speaker to the idea that what they've heard is wrong on so many dimensions. It must not be answered with anger, but with compassion.

Humans have the idea of right and wrong imbedded in them by their own brains, as well as their upbringing and society. Atheists do good, not out of fear of reprisal, but because it's the right thing to do. We value family, society, culture, and, of course, freedom. Many of us will - and have - defended these values with our lives. Examples:

1) Many Catholics make judgement calls on moral decisions against their church. For example, some use birth control or have abortions, despite what their church preaches. If these people can make moral decisions despite what their church preaches, then atheists can make similar choices without a church altogether.

2) Slavery was not only acceptable 200 years ago, it was considered a good deed by many, and defended using the bible. The bible was also used to justify the Holocaust, the Crusades, and the Spanish Inquisition.

Why is this relevant? Because it shows that the bible can be used to defend even the most immoral and unethical ideals, and is therefore not an adequate yardstick to measure moral or ethical behavior.

3) Finally, mention bad religious people. Remember that Hitler was a religious Catholic, and that Jeffrey Dahmer said grace before he ate his victims.* Mention also that one need only open a newspaper to find yet another story about allegations against priests for sexual misconduct, often with children. Don't forget our good friends Jim Bakker (who swindled millions from his flock) and Jimmy Swaggart (asked for forgiveness only after being caught using prostitutes).

4) Always couple these statements with the fact that, while atheists make up 8-10% of the population at large, we only make up 1% of the population in prison. I mean, think of it, what if 8-10% of the population (on top of all the religious criminals) decided it was OK to steal, rape, and murder? We'd have chaos! These will serve to prove that religion and ethical behavior are not even slightly related.

Expect these statements to piss off the theists, and this is where you must mention that what you said is verifiable and that their statement is openly prejudicial against 50 million Americans. This is the opportunity to open their eyes to the fact that just because we're different from them doesn't make us inherently bad."

More to come:

http://www.atheists.org/Top_Ten_Atheist_Myths

*surprised spock

williamm0944's photo
Thu 10/21/10 12:10 PM
think hitler was a christian

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Thu 10/21/10 12:46 PM

Myth 2 ~ "Atheists have no morals, since they don't believe in God" - What a sad world it is when people can seriously say that humans need to fear eternal damnation in order to do good. It is the one statement which at the same time stirs both anger and pity in most atheists; anger because it is a bigoted, prejudicial statement which serves no purpose except to promote intolerance, and pity because it highlights the speaker's ignorance and willingness to accept such crap without question.


It's in their bigotry bible.

Their Bible teaches religious bigotry.

Let there be no doubt about it, the Bible is evil. devil

williamm0944's photo
Thu 10/21/10 02:00 PM
im scottish we have been havein a religious war for over 2000 years you dont need to tell me about bigotary lmao i dont care who believes what i believe what i want lol

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Fri 10/22/10 11:36 AM


Myth 2 ~ "Atheists have no morals, since they don't believe in God" - What a sad world it is when people can seriously say that humans need to fear eternal damnation in order to do good. It is the one statement which at the same time stirs both anger and pity in most atheists; anger because it is a bigoted, prejudicial statement which serves no purpose except to promote intolerance, and pity because it highlights the speaker's ignorance and willingness to accept such crap without question.


It's in their bigotry bible.

Their Bible teaches religious bigotry.

Let there be no doubt about it, the Bible is evil. devil


It's also the whole lack of being unable to think for themselves.

Good article Middle!

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Fri 10/22/10 11:40 AM

im scottish we have been havein a religious war for over 2000 years you dont need to tell me about bigotary lmao i dont care who believes what i believe what i want lol


Really now? What religions?

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 10/22/10 03:56 PM
"Myth 3 ~ "Atheists believe in evolution, but that doesn't answer as many questions as creationism"- Atheism is not a scientific theory, rather a lack of religion. We do believe in science, and that all questions will eventually be answered with science if they are not answered today. It's gone well so far, giving theories regarding evolution, geological movement, and the Big Bang, all supported by evidence, but not necessarily endorsed by all atheists.

Creationism does not give all the answers, either. Furthermore, it goes so far as to choose which questions to answer, and discourages the asking of the rest. Believers are loath to discuss where God came from, or what he was doing before the creation. They refuse to give good answers for the many biblical inconsistencies or for the terrible injustices in the world, because they know that no such answers exist. They merely answer with "there are things which we mere humans cannot fully understand" or "the Lord works in mysterious ways". In the end, religion doesn't answer as many questions as it raises."

http://www.atheists.org/Top_Ten_Atheist_Myths




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Fri 10/22/10 05:52 PM

"Myth 3 ~ "Atheists believe in evolution, but that doesn't answer as many questions as creationism"- Atheism is not a scientific theory, rather a lack of religion. We do believe in science, and that all questions will eventually be answered with science if they are not answered today. It's gone well so far, giving theories regarding evolution, geological movement, and the Big Bang, all supported by evidence, but not necessarily endorsed by all atheists.

Creationism does not give all the answers, either. Furthermore, it goes so far as to choose which questions to answer, and discourages the asking of the rest. Believers are loath to discuss where God came from, or what he was doing before the creation. They refuse to give good answers for the many biblical inconsistencies or for the terrible injustices in the world, because they know that no such answers exist. They merely answer with "there are things which we mere humans cannot fully understand" or "the Lord works in mysterious ways". In the end, religion doesn't answer as many questions as it raises."

http://www.atheists.org/Top_Ten_Atheist_Myths






The father always is and always will be. So therefore God didn't come from anywhere, he has always been. And i've shown there are no inconsistencies in the bible. When we show as such, you and the others like you just brush it off with an "well that's your interpretation". So yes we have answered the questions and shown there are no inconsistencies, you just didn't accept the answer(s). And there terrible injustices in the world is through people's actions and whom they serve. You can tell who a servant has given his life to through his/her works. They do evil things and or things against the will of God, regardless of what they say they are worshipping Satan. We worship our father through our every day actions. We don't do rituals and what not. And Christianity raises no questions it can not answer. EVERY question(s) you may have can be found in the bible if searched for with an open heart and open mind.

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Fri 10/22/10 06:20 PM


"Myth 3 ~ "Atheists believe in evolution, but that doesn't answer as many questions as creationism"- Atheism is not a scientific theory, rather a lack of religion. We do believe in science, and that all questions will eventually be answered with science if they are not answered today. It's gone well so far, giving theories regarding evolution, geological movement, and the Big Bang, all supported by evidence, but not necessarily endorsed by all atheists.

Creationism does not give all the answers, either. Furthermore, it goes so far as to choose which questions to answer, and discourages the asking of the rest. Believers are loath to discuss where God came from, or what he was doing before the creation. They refuse to give good answers for the many biblical inconsistencies or for the terrible injustices in the world, because they know that no such answers exist. They merely answer with "there are things which we mere humans cannot fully understand" or "the Lord works in mysterious ways". In the end, religion doesn't answer as many questions as it raises."

http://www.atheists.org/Top_Ten_Atheist_Myths






The father always is and always will be. So therefore God didn't come from anywhere, he has always been. And i've shown there are no inconsistencies in the bible. When we show as such, you and the others like you just brush it off with an "well that's your interpretation". So yes we have answered the questions and shown there are no inconsistencies, you just didn't accept the answer(s). And there terrible injustices in the world is through people's actions and whom they serve. You can tell who a servant has given his life to through his/her works. They do evil things and or things against the will of God, regardless of what they say they are worshipping Satan. We worship our father through our every day actions. We don't do rituals and what not. And Christianity raises no questions it can not answer. EVERY question(s) you may have can be found in the bible if searched for with an open heart and open mind.


"When we show as such, you and the others like you just brush it off with an "well that's your interpretation". "

No, it's your intepretation of a fairytale book FULL of inconsistencies...not sure why I reply to this kind of chit much anymore since it's wasted words on wasted minds.

Anyway...moving forward in life.

"Myth 4 ~ "Atheists cannot know there is no God, since you cannot prove he doesn't exist" - Again, this is a two sided coin, but the theists are loathe to admit the other side. Atheists don't need to prove the non-existence of God, any more than we need to prove the nonexistence of Zeus or Jupiter. Can theists prove God over any alternatives? Of course not. Nobody can prove God exists, yet they will stand on their heads saying they're sure. Well, if they can be sure despite evidence to the contrary, we can be sure in light of evidence in support of atheism."



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Fri 10/22/10 07:29 PM



"Myth 3 ~ "Atheists believe in evolution, but that doesn't answer as many questions as creationism"- Atheism is not a scientific theory, rather a lack of religion. We do believe in science, and that all questions will eventually be answered with science if they are not answered today. It's gone well so far, giving theories regarding evolution, geological movement, and the Big Bang, all supported by evidence, but not necessarily endorsed by all atheists.

Creationism does not give all the answers, either. Furthermore, it goes so far as to choose which questions to answer, and discourages the asking of the rest. Believers are loath to discuss where God came from, or what he was doing before the creation. They refuse to give good answers for the many biblical inconsistencies or for the terrible injustices in the world, because they know that no such answers exist. They merely answer with "there are things which we mere humans cannot fully understand" or "the Lord works in mysterious ways". In the end, religion doesn't answer as many questions as it raises."

http://www.atheists.org/Top_Ten_Atheist_Myths






The father always is and always will be. So therefore God didn't come from anywhere, he has always been. And i've shown there are no inconsistencies in the bible. When we show as such, you and the others like you just brush it off with an "well that's your interpretation". So yes we have answered the questions and shown there are no inconsistencies, you just didn't accept the answer(s). And there terrible injustices in the world is through people's actions and whom they serve. You can tell who a servant has given his life to through his/her works. They do evil things and or things against the will of God, regardless of what they say they are worshipping Satan. We worship our father through our every day actions. We don't do rituals and what not. And Christianity raises no questions it can not answer. EVERY question(s) you may have can be found in the bible if searched for with an open heart and open mind.


"When we show as such, you and the others like you just brush it off with an "well that's your interpretation". "

No, it's your intepretation of a fairytale book FULL of inconsistencies...not sure why I reply to this kind of chit much anymore since it's wasted words on wasted minds.

Anyway...moving forward in life.

"Myth 4 ~ "Atheists cannot know there is no God, since you cannot prove he doesn't exist" - Again, this is a two sided coin, but the theists are loathe to admit the other side. Atheists don't need to prove the non-existence of God, any more than we need to prove the nonexistence of Zeus or Jupiter. Can theists prove God over any alternatives? Of course not. Nobody can prove God exists, yet they will stand on their heads saying they're sure. Well, if they can be sure despite evidence to the contrary, we can be sure in light of evidence in support of atheism."





There are no inconsistencies. We've had threads of such and we show how they are consistent, and you people just say well that's your interpretation or yeah if you twist things around to make them fit. Which we're not twisting anything around any way. Just there are no inconsistencies.

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Fri 10/22/10 09:12 PM

The Top Ten Atheist Myths

"We all know that many theists are so closed-minded about us that they won't even talk to us, let alone try to understand us. This is usually not their fault, as they are told terrible things about us by people they trust, their preachers, whose whole livelihood depends on their parishioners staying in the flock.

It is this prejudice and conflict which is one of the main factors keeping atheists in the closet and theists in ignorance. With dialogue, not prejudice, both sides will benefit and the country will become a freer place. In this article I will therefore mention many of the myths about atheists that are popular among theists, as well as my usual responses. With any luck, this will prepare atheists for future confrontations and therefore make them more confident to announce themselves, as well as allow theist readers to better understand the atheist mentality.

Myth 1 ~ "Atheists are all the same" -- You can understand why theists believe this, after being told this over and over by their preachers. This belief is reinforced by the fact that believers must be bound by much more than a simple belief in God. For example, Catholics must also have the same stances on abortion, contraception, and homosexuality in order to be called a "good Catholic." It only goes to follow that atheism must be similar.

However, atheism is not a religion, rather the absence of religion. As such, we are bound only by our atheism. We are republicans and democrats, men and women, gays and straights, blacks and whites. We accept every person as they are as equals, and delight in our diversity (not many religions can say that). We disagree with each other on many issues, and discussion is encouraged and common. Above all, atheists demand the right to disagree, even if it means with each other.

Myth 2 ~ "Atheists have no morals, since they don't believe in God" - What a sad world it is when people can seriously say that humans need to fear eternal damnation in order to do good. It is the one statement which at the same time stirs both anger and pity in most atheists; anger because it is a bigoted, prejudicial statement which serves no purpose except to promote intolerance, and pity because it highlights the speaker's ignorance and willingness to accept such crap without question.

At the risk of validating the question, a reply needs to be made in order to expose the speaker to the idea that what they've heard is wrong on so many dimensions. It must not be answered with anger, but with compassion.

Humans have the idea of right and wrong imbedded in them by their own brains, as well as their upbringing and society. Atheists do good, not out of fear of reprisal, but because it's the right thing to do. We value family, society, culture, and, of course, freedom. Many of us will - and have - defended these values with our lives. Examples:

1) Many Catholics make judgement calls on moral decisions against their church. For example, some use birth control or have abortions, despite what their church preaches. If these people can make moral decisions despite what their church preaches, then atheists can make similar choices without a church altogether.

2) Slavery was not only acceptable 200 years ago, it was considered a good deed by many, and defended using the bible. The bible was also used to justify the Holocaust, the Crusades, and the Spanish Inquisition.

Why is this relevant? Because it shows that the bible can be used to defend even the most immoral and unethical ideals, and is therefore not an adequate yardstick to measure moral or ethical behavior.

3) Finally, mention bad religious people. Remember that Hitler was a religious Catholic, and that Jeffrey Dahmer said grace before he ate his victims.* Mention also that one need only open a newspaper to find yet another story about allegations against priests for sexual misconduct, often with children. Don't forget our good friends Jim Bakker (who swindled millions from his flock) and Jimmy Swaggart (asked for forgiveness only after being caught using prostitutes).

4) Always couple these statements with the fact that, while atheists make up 8-10% of the population at large, we only make up 1% of the population in prison. I mean, think of it, what if 8-10% of the population (on top of all the religious criminals) decided it was OK to steal, rape, and murder? We'd have chaos! These will serve to prove that religion and ethical behavior are not even slightly related.

Expect these statements to piss off the theists, and this is where you must mention that what you said is verifiable and that their statement is openly prejudicial against 50 million Americans. This is the opportunity to open their eyes to the fact that just because we're different from them doesn't make us inherently bad."

More to come:

http://www.atheists.org/Top_Ten_Atheist_Myths

*surprised spock


well, right now I am almost finished with Myth #1, and it's so full of holes that I'm taking swimming lessonslaugh

I might read the rest - who knowa, but please try to avoid the assumptions and generalities about believers that u want us to avoid about u

avoid generalities and assumptions period. (The first 3 letters of assume are???)laugh U make genralities about atheiests also that may or may not be true

namasteflowerforyou

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Sat 10/23/10 09:33 AM
the following is a great example of delusional thinking:

The father always is and always will be. So therefore God didn't come from anywhere, he has always been.(A CONVENIENT ILLOGICAL CATCH ALL) And i've shown there are no inconsistencies in the bible. (THE BIBLE IS ONE LONG INCONSISTENCY) When we show as such, you and the others like you just brush it off with an "well that's your interpretation". So yes we have answered the questions and shown there are no inconsistencies, you just didn't accept the answer(s). And there terrible injustices in the world is through people's actions (BUT GOD IS ALL POWERFUL AND ALLOWS THIS ??) and whom they serve. You can tell who a servant has given his life to through his/her works. They do evil things and or things against the will of God, regardless of what they say they are worshipping Satan (SO SATAN HAS MORE POWER THAN GOD ??). We worship our father through our every day actions. We don't do rituals and what not. (DON"T DO RITUALS !! THAT IS WHAT RELIGION IS !!!--EAT HIS FLESH, DRINK HIS BLOOD ETC....) And Christianity raises no questions it can not answer. (IMAGINATION IS A POWERFUL TOOL) EVERY question(s) you may have can be found in the bible if searched for with an open heart and open mind. (I FINALLY AGREE !!!, EVERY QUESTION>>>>JUST NOT THE ANSWERS!!)

What convinced me that religion is a delusion>>>>The basic laws of logic, evidence, science, nature and economics did. The dogmatic mysticism of religious people does not make sense and actually heavily contradicts itself. The day I lost my fear of the threat of burning in hell was the first intellectually free day of my life. I realized that Christianity and its rules and threats and prejudices was created by hut-dwellers thousands of years ago in order to gain power over their fellow human beings. New religions continue to crop up constantly in much the same way Christianity originally did- look at the Mormons, Scientologists and other less-successful religions.

I contend the Christians who post on this site are Christians for two reasons:
1) exposure to Christianity…
2) a personal need and weakness that they attempt to fill with religion.
They are Christians because they are exposed to and surrounded by it, if they lived in a Muslim community they would be Muslims...if they lived in a Hindu community they would gravitate toward.. I think you get my drift ..it is more about the person who has a need for religion in their life..they grasp onto the religion they are exposed to.

I have often wondered what keeps people in religion...
First, and most importantly, a religious person develops church influenced business, personal and family relationships. These would be wildly affected with a move toward non-belief.
Second, I believe the same personal weakness that draws a person to religion, keeps them from admitting it is rediculous and imaginary years later in life. To do so would be to admit to themselves that they bought into such a rediculous belief system for years and years.
It takes a strong, balanced, happy with themselves type person to do this.

as Lennon stated so well "Imagine, no hell below us, above us......only sky"


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Sat 10/23/10 09:50 AM

the following is a great example of delusional thinking:

The father always is and always will be. So therefore God didn't come from anywhere, he has always been.(A CONVENIENT ILLOGICAL CATCH ALL) And i've shown there are no inconsistencies in the bible. (THE BIBLE IS ONE LONG INCONSISTENCY) When we show as such, you and the others like you just brush it off with an "well that's your interpretation". So yes we have answered the questions and shown there are no inconsistencies, you just didn't accept the answer(s). And there terrible injustices in the world is through people's actions (BUT GOD IS ALL POWERFUL AND ALLOWS THIS ??) and whom they serve. You can tell who a servant has given his life to through his/her works. They do evil things and or things against the will of God, regardless of what they say they are worshipping Satan (SO SATAN HAS MORE POWER THAN GOD ??). We worship our father through our every day actions. We don't do rituals and what not. (DON"T DO RITUALS !! THAT IS WHAT RELIGION IS !!!--EAT HIS FLESH, DRINK HIS BLOOD ETC....) And Christianity raises no questions it can not answer. (IMAGINATION IS A POWERFUL TOOL) EVERY question(s) you may have can be found in the bible if searched for with an open heart and open mind. (I FINALLY AGREE !!!, EVERY QUESTION>>>>JUST NOT THE ANSWERS!!)

What convinced me that religion is a delusion>>>>The basic laws of logic, evidence, science, nature and economics did. The dogmatic mysticism of religious people does not make sense and actually heavily contradicts itself. The day I lost my fear of the threat of burning in hell was the first intellectually free day of my life. I realized that Christianity and its rules and threats and prejudices was created by hut-dwellers thousands of years ago in order to gain power over their fellow human beings. New religions continue to crop up constantly in much the same way Christianity originally did- look at the Mormons, Scientologists and other less-successful religions.

I contend the Christians who post on this site are Christians for two reasons:
1) exposure to Christianity…
2) a personal need and weakness that they attempt to fill with religion.
They are Christians because they are exposed to and surrounded by it, if they lived in a Muslim community they would be Muslims...if they lived in a Hindu community they would gravitate toward.. I think you get my drift ..it is more about the person who has a need for religion in their life..they grasp onto the religion they are exposed to.

I have often wondered what keeps people in religion...
First, and most importantly, a religious person develops church influenced business, personal and family relationships. These would be wildly affected with a move toward non-belief.
Second, I believe the same personal weakness that draws a person to religion, keeps them from admitting it is rediculous and imaginary years later in life. To do so would be to admit to themselves that they bought into such a rediculous belief system for years and years.
It takes a strong, balanced, happy with themselves type person to do this.

as Lennon stated so well "Imagine, no hell below us, above us......only sky"




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The father always is and always will be. So therefore God didn't come from anywhere, he has always been.(A CONVENIENT ILLOGICAL CATCH ALL) And i've shown there are no inconsistencies in the bible. (THE BIBLE IS ONE LONG INCONSISTENCY) When we show as such, you and the others like you just brush it off with an "well that's your interpretation". So yes we have answered the questions and shown there are no inconsistencies, you just didn't accept the answer(s). And there terrible injustices in the world is through people's actions (BUT GOD IS ALL POWERFUL AND ALLOWS THIS ??) and whom they serve. You can tell who a servant has given his life to through his/her works. They do evil things and or things against the will of God, regardless of what they say they are worshipping Satan (SO SATAN HAS MORE POWER THAN GOD ??). We worship our father through our every day actions. We don't do rituals and what not. (DON"T DO RITUALS !! THAT IS WHAT RELIGION IS !!!--EAT HIS FLESH, DRINK HIS BLOOD ETC....) And Christianity raises no questions it can not answer. (IMAGINATION IS A POWERFUL TOOL) EVERY question(s) you may have can be found in the bible if searched for with an open heart and open mind. (I FINALLY AGREE !!!, EVERY QUESTION>>>>JUST NOT THE ANSWERS!!)
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(BUT GOD IS ALL POWERFUL AND ALLOWS THIS ??)
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Yes God gave us free will, which we will be judged on in the end of times at judgment.

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(SO SATAN HAS MORE POWER THAN GOD ??).
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No, he is not. Satan will be destroyed at judgment time. God allows Satan to tempt us and cause havoc for if he didn't, what would God have to judge us on? That's what we'll be judged on, how well we did at obeying our father and not listening to Satan.

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(DON"T DO RITUALS !! THAT IS WHAT RELIGION IS !!!--EAT HIS FLESH, DRINK HIS BLOOD ETC....)
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Matthew 26:26-29
26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Jesus was speaking in a parable. They weren't really eating of his flesh and drinking his blood. It is through the blood of Jesus we are saved. THROUGH the blood, thus you have to accept the sacrifice. And Jesus was symbolizing this with the bread and wine with his disciples.

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Sat 10/23/10 08:34 PM
Myth 5 ~ "Atheists seek to remove religion from society, and to force all people to be atheists"

Absolutely wrong. We seek only the freedom for people to make their choice on their own, free of intervention from the government or public school system. We seek the freedom not to support religion through taxes, forced participation, or special privileges of any kind.

That being said, your thoughts are your rights, and none of our business. Wear your jewelry, celebrate your holidays, and pray in your house, church, or in public if you like. Just don't force your religion on other people. That's what we're all about.

This is in direct contrast to many of the world's religions, including Christianity, which include worldwide expansion as one of their central objectives. Isn't it amazing that they falsely accuse us of doing what they do openly, only with atheism it's evil?

To try to force atheism would by hypocritical, since we would be placing pressure from the state on people to believe a certain way. But let me give a good analogy to our objectives and at the same time answer this charge using the money we use every day.

"In God We Trust," is the government actively promoting religion.

"In God We Do Not Trust," would be the government promoting atheism.

We advocate the complete omission of the statement thereby rendering the money neutral.

We feel the same way about the rest of the government. It should be the "Switzerland of the religious debate," while at the same time being the protectorate of the individual."




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Sat 10/23/10 08:41 PM

Myth 5 ~ "Atheists seek to remove religion from society, and to force all people to be atheists"

Absolutely wrong. We seek only the freedom for people to make their choice on their own, free of intervention from the government or public school system. We seek the freedom not to support religion through taxes, forced participation, or special privileges of any kind.

That being said, your thoughts are your rights, and none of our business. Wear your jewelry, celebrate your holidays, and pray in your house, church, or in public if you like. Just don't force your religion on other people. That's what we're all about.

This is in direct contrast to many of the world's religions, including Christianity, which include worldwide expansion as one of their central objectives. Isn't it amazing that they falsely accuse us of doing what they do openly, only with atheism it's evil?

To try to force atheism would by hypocritical, since we would be placing pressure from the state on people to believe a certain way. But let me give a good analogy to our objectives and at the same time answer this charge using the money we use every day.

"In God We Trust," is the government actively promoting religion.

"In God We Do Not Trust," would be the government promoting atheism.

We advocate the complete omission of the statement thereby rendering the money neutral.

We feel the same way about the rest of the government. It should be the "Switzerland of the religious debate," while at the same time being the protectorate of the individual."






Christianity can NOT be FORCED on someone. Forcing someone into believing in Jesus is like trying to force a crippled person to run. It's impossible. And if someone did manage to "force" someone to believe in Christianity, it would be in vein and not true heartedly. Therefore would be in vein, therefore would be pointless. If someone is to receive the gift of heaven it has to be done willingly. Heaven is only given to those that seek it.

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Sat 10/23/10 09:14 PM

Myth 5 ~ "Atheists seek to remove religion from society, and to force all people to be atheists"

Absolutely wrong. We seek only the freedom for people to make their choice on their own, free of intervention from the government or public school system. We seek the freedom not to support religion through taxes, forced participation, or special privileges of any kind.

That being said, your thoughts are your rights, and none of our business. Wear your jewelry, celebrate your holidays, and pray in your house, church, or in public if you like. Just don't force your religion on other people. That's what we're all about.

This is in direct contrast to many of the world's religions, including Christianity, which include worldwide expansion as one of their central objectives. Isn't it amazing that they falsely accuse us of doing what they do openly, only with atheism it's evil?

To try to force atheism would by hypocritical, since we would be placing pressure from the state on people to believe a certain way. But let me give a good analogy to our objectives and at the same time answer this charge using the money we use every day.

"In God We Trust," is the government actively promoting religion.

"In God We Do Not Trust," would be the government promoting atheism.

We advocate the complete omission of the statement thereby rendering the money neutral.

We feel the same way about the rest of the government. It should be the "Switzerland of the religious debate," while at the same time being the protectorate of the individual."







As someone who debates news and politics on a daily basis I would say you are dead wrong on Atheist not wanting religion totally removed from our society in every way shape and form.I know this is a fact because any time you hear of a lawsuit about religion it is always by some Atheist.It is always the ACLU who is representing them.

Atheist and the ACLU have sued to remove personal prayers from schools,Christmas trees and lights in public places,the word Christmas removed from school calendars,the banning of any mention of God or Jesus in any high school speeches,removal of the 10 commandments from courthouses,in God we trust off the money,the list goes on and on and on.


All these cases have gone to the Federal Supreme court and have always been lost on behalf of the Athiest because the word God is not exclusive to Christianity.God could mean many different things to many different people who live here.So it is really impossible to bring a lawsuit naming Christianity as who's God we are talking about(even though we all know it is)because it could mean any religions God.In that sense the Government is not specific endorsing a certain religion.


As far as your rant about Atheist minding their own business when Christians are practicing their faith???If you think we are going to believe that you are way off track.You are a prime example of someone who can't seem to mind his own business since you have to flood this site daily with some sort of anti Christian post.I don't think you could mind your own business if someone paid you to do it.Atheist will attack,attack,and attack some more on any excuse they can find on Christianity.Be it a speech mentioning Jesus Christ at graduation or someone wanting to draw a picture of a cross in class.Rest assured they will be right up your a** with a nice lawsuit and lawyer from the ACLU.






KerryO's photo
Sun 10/24/10 03:05 AM



There are no inconsistencies. We've had threads of such and we show how they are consistent, and you people just say well that's your interpretation or yeah if you twist things around to make them fit. Which we're not twisting anything around any way. Just there are no inconsistencies.



No better proof that inconsistencies exist in Christianity than by the fact that there are so many sects of it saying different things about different aspects of it. It's a veritable Tower of Babel in its own right.

Just getting on the Internet and posting "There are no inconsistencies" over and over and over again is not proof, it's preaching to the Choir. On the Internet, Anyone can say Anything and to paraphrase Edward R. Murrow, just because your voice on the Internet can be heard around the world doesn't make it any more informed or correct than if it only reached to the end of the bar.


-Kerry O.

2smileloudly's photo
Sun 10/24/10 03:18 PM
a previous post stated
"Atheist and the ACLU have sued to remove personal prayers from schools,Christmas trees and lights in public places,the word Christmas removed from school calendars,the banning of any mention of God or Jesus in any high school speeches,removal of the 10 commandments from courthouses,in God we trust off the money,the list goes on and on and on."

Think about it...
schools..public schools
school calenders...public school calendars
courthouses...secular institutions
money....secular money

It is actually a very simple concept...
Atheists are tired of having superstitions and myths forced upon us in secular institutions...

"in god we trust" is intellectually and logically insulting, and to print it on our money....just like the christians would be upset if our money had "in the flying spaghetti monster we trust"




AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/24/10 07:05 PM

think hitler was a christian

Not really...

Hitler was an opportunist.

He USED both Christians and Islam in his hunt for power.


2smileloudly's photo
Mon 10/25/10 08:25 AM

The following defies any logic.....


"(SO SATAN HAS MORE POWER THAN GOD ??).
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No, he is not. Satan will be destroyed at judgment time. God allows Satan to tempt us and cause havoc for if he didn't, what would God have to judge us on? That's what we'll be judged on, how well we did at obeying our father and not listening to Satan."

So an all loving, all powerful god has satan cause havoc in our lives so he can judge us later on how much or how little we listened to satan ?? I don't think I could do drugs and come up with such a bizarre statement !!!

Why not "just be good for goodness sake ??"



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