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| Topic: The Gift of Heaven ...a gift or a gag | |
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No we will not have sex in heaven. There would be no need for such an action. Sex is for reproduction. In heaven the producing is finished. Sex for any other purpose falls into the category of lust. Desiring/lusting for the physical pleasure of sex. In which is sinful, therefore would not be included in heaven. So in other words, any form of seeking pleasure would be considered to be lust. So there can be no pleasure in heaven because to indulge in pleasure would be sinful. Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only. Cowboy, do some research on that subject. Sex is pleasurable and a gift. There is no doubt in my mind that "sex for procreation only" is a doctrine of men... Proverbs 5:18-19 (King James Version) 18 Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. 19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love. and 1 Corinthians 7:1-6 (King James Version) 1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. 6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. Yes that is sexual intercourse amongst a married couple. We are to enjoy one another in terms of marriage. But that again is a physical experience and a physical way to share passion with your loved one. There are many ways to share passion with your loved one other then "sexual intercourse". And the sexual intercourse way of sharing the passion will no longer be needed when we don't have "physical" bodies. The horizon is much more broad then you're seeing. Again, yes we are to enjoy the one we're married to physically yes. But nevertheless it is a physical pleasure, therefore when we're changed into a spiritual body there will be no need for such an action. Cowboy, please read carefully what I wrote, I see the horizon just fine. I was specifically addressing this paragraph that you wrote. "Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only." I did read what you said carefully. Reproduction would possibly become none existent if it wasn't pleasurable and or if we were not to enjoy making love for reproduction. So God tells us it is ok to feel the pleasure of our married spouse in the act of reproduction. Oh, so you changed your mind then? No, nothing changed. Sex is still for reproduction. But of course we are to enjoy it in the process of reproduction for if it wasn't enjoyable there would be less reproducing and God told us to fill the earth. And that is why it's to be done with your married spouse, and your married spouse alone. This creates families, not just people running around having sex to enjoy the physical pleasure of it. Alrighty then... If you won't believe me and research on your own, perhaps you can convince me that you are right? Where in the Bible does it state that sex is for reproduction only? “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. Matthew 5:27-30 --------------------------------------------- But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21 ------------------------------------------------ But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Ephesians 5:3-5 ------------------------------------------------- Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. Hebrews 13:4 -------------------------------------------------- If needed for these verses to be translated into older translations eg., king james or other, this can be done if requested. I have to agree with Cowboy on this one...God specifically said that "Lust" is an abomination which is an indication that sex is only for reproduction .... |
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":I was specifically addressing this paragraph that you wrote.
"Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only." I did read what you said carefully. Reproduction would possibly become none existent if it wasn't pleasurable and or if we were not to enjoy making love for reproduction. So God tells us it is ok to feel the pleasure of our married spouse in the act of reproduction" You can't have it both ways Cowboy but something tells me you don't have it....or have never had it anyway. |
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":I was specifically addressing this paragraph that you wrote. "Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only." I did read what you said carefully. Reproduction would possibly become none existent if it wasn't pleasurable and or if we were not to enjoy making love for reproduction. So God tells us it is ok to feel the pleasure of our married spouse in the act of reproduction" You can't have it both ways Cowboy but something tells me you don't have it....or have never had it anyway. No, you're just taking the words out of context. Sex for just pleasure with no terms of reproduction is sinful, it is lust. It is not intended for reproducing. That is where it is wrong and sinful. Sex is for reproduction, yes we are to enjoy each other and enjoy the pleasure of the other, but that is not the intended reason for doing as such. That is what I was getting at in a longer form of way. |
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Edited by
MiddleEarthling
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":I was specifically addressing this paragraph that you wrote. "Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only." I did read what you said carefully. Reproduction would possibly become none existent if it wasn't pleasurable and or if we were not to enjoy making love for reproduction. So God tells us it is ok to feel the pleasure of our married spouse in the act of reproduction" You can't have it both ways Cowboy but something tells me you don't have it....or have never had it anyway. No, you're just taking the words out of context. Sex for just pleasure with no terms of reproduction is sinful, it is lust. It is not intended for reproducing. That is where it is wrong and sinful. Sex is for reproduction, yes we are to enjoy each other and enjoy the pleasure of the other, but that is not the intended reason for doing as such. That is what I was getting at in a longer form of way. No, they are specifically accurate in context...and you cannot worm out of your contradiction. I guess you're now in the "god (and you) are infallible" mode...or as I call it here down on Earth: denial. |
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":I was specifically addressing this paragraph that you wrote. "Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only." I did read what you said carefully. Reproduction would possibly become none existent if it wasn't pleasurable and or if we were not to enjoy making love for reproduction. So God tells us it is ok to feel the pleasure of our married spouse in the act of reproduction" You can't have it both ways Cowboy but something tells me you don't have it....or have never had it anyway. No, you're just taking the words out of context. Sex for just pleasure with no terms of reproduction is sinful, it is lust. It is not intended for reproducing. That is where it is wrong and sinful. Sex is for reproduction, yes we are to enjoy each other and enjoy the pleasure of the other, but that is not the intended reason for doing as such. That is what I was getting at in a longer form of way. No, they are specifically accurate in context...and you cannot worm out of your contradiction. I guess you're now in the "god (and you) are infallible" mode...or as I call it here down on Earth: denial. AGAIN, all i said was sexual intercourse was not to be done purely for the pleasure of it. It is for reproduction and of course to feel the pleasure caused by our married spouse in the process of doing as such. And again, it is lustful for sex to be done for purely the physical pleasure of it. |
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":I was specifically addressing this paragraph that you wrote. "Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only." I did read what you said carefully. Reproduction would possibly become none existent if it wasn't pleasurable and or if we were not to enjoy making love for reproduction. So God tells us it is ok to feel the pleasure of our married spouse in the act of reproduction" You can't have it both ways Cowboy but something tells me you don't have it....or have never had it anyway. No, you're just taking the words out of context. Sex for just pleasure with no terms of reproduction is sinful, it is lust. It is not intended for reproducing. That is where it is wrong and sinful. Sex is for reproduction, yes we are to enjoy each other and enjoy the pleasure of the other, but that is not the intended reason for doing as such. That is what I was getting at in a longer form of way. No, they are specifically accurate in context...and you cannot worm out of your contradiction. I guess you're now in the "god (and you) are infallible" mode...or as I call it here down on Earth: denial. AGAIN, all i said was sexual intercourse was not to be done purely for the pleasure of it. It is for reproduction and of course to feel the pleasure caused by our married spouse in the process of doing as such. And again, it is lustful for sex to be done for purely the physical pleasure of it. Oh, I get it...lol...(now a spin on what was said) it's pretty much: Don't show or have passion, no lust for the woam you love...no desire to the woman you're inserting your penis into her only to bare children...for god right? Dude, seriously? So IF you get married and have 3 kids that means that you will have shown your love for your wife only THREE times? Take it from one of your leaders: Do Evangelical Christians have good and frequent sex? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpMsuz_uK4&feature=related |
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":I was specifically addressing this paragraph that you wrote. "Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only." I did read what you said carefully. Reproduction would possibly become none existent if it wasn't pleasurable and or if we were not to enjoy making love for reproduction. So God tells us it is ok to feel the pleasure of our married spouse in the act of reproduction" You can't have it both ways Cowboy but something tells me you don't have it....or have never had it anyway. No, you're just taking the words out of context. Sex for just pleasure with no terms of reproduction is sinful, it is lust. It is not intended for reproducing. That is where it is wrong and sinful. Sex is for reproduction, yes we are to enjoy each other and enjoy the pleasure of the other, but that is not the intended reason for doing as such. That is what I was getting at in a longer form of way. No, they are specifically accurate in context...and you cannot worm out of your contradiction. I guess you're now in the "god (and you) are infallible" mode...or as I call it here down on Earth: denial. AGAIN, all i said was sexual intercourse was not to be done purely for the pleasure of it. It is for reproduction and of course to feel the pleasure caused by our married spouse in the process of doing as such. And again, it is lustful for sex to be done for purely the physical pleasure of it. Oh, I get it...lol...(now a spin on what was said) it's pretty much: Don't show or have passion, no lust for the woam you love...no desire to the woman you're inserting your penis into her only to bare children...for god right? Dude, seriously? So IF you get married and have 3 kids that means that you will have shown your love for your wife only THREE times? Take it from one of your leaders: Do Evangelical Christians have good and frequent sex? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpMsuz_uK4&feature=related ==================================== Oh, I get it...lol...(now a spin on what was said) it's pretty much: Don't show or have passion, no lust for the woam you love...no desire to the woman you're inserting your penis into her only to bare children...for god right? ===================================== No you don't get it obviously lol. Sexual intercourse is for reproduction yes. But it was made pleasurable and is to be taken pleasurably while making a baby. It becomes lust when people have sex for no other reason but to have the physical pleasure of sex, eg., no baby making. It is to be filled with passion. Passion is the sharing of love with one another. So yes when making a baby of course it is to be filled with passion, we're not just mindless robots. |
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when it comes to the gift of Heaven
1.you will no longer be Human 2.you will be alive but dead 3.you will be a ghost/spirit/specter 3.you no longer have to eat food or take of the drink 4.you can not have lustful sex so far this is sounding more like a gag then a gift and what are some of the other things that will or won't be allowed in Heaven will books be banned and which books will be allowed in Heaven if any and will the bible itself be banned in Heaven |
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when it comes to the gift of Heaven 1.you will no longer be Human 2.you will be alive but dead 3.you will be a ghost/spirit/specter 3.you no longer have to eat food or take of the drink 4.you can not have lustful sex so far this is sounding more like a gag then a gift and what are some of the other things that will or won't be allowed in Heaven will books be banned and which books will be allowed in Heaven if any and will the bible itself be banned in Heaven 1.you will no longer be Human 2.you will be alive but dead 3.you will be a ghost/spirit/specter 3.you no longer have to eat food or take of the drink 4.you can not have lustful sex -------------------------- 1. Know ye not that ye are a God? 2. The only reward for sin is death. Our father offers eternal life. 3. We will be given a new spiritual body. If you wish to call this of previously mention, that is your choice. 3. We will no longer feel hunger, what is so bad about that? 4. We aren't suppose to have lustful sex even on earth, so what's different? |
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":I was specifically addressing this paragraph that you wrote. "Sex is pleasurable to the flesh, and the flesh only. And no we are not to have sex for the "pleasure". That's when it becomes lustful. Sex is for reproduction, and reproduction only." I did read what you said carefully. Reproduction would possibly become none existent if it wasn't pleasurable and or if we were not to enjoy making love for reproduction. So God tells us it is ok to feel the pleasure of our married spouse in the act of reproduction" You can't have it both ways Cowboy but something tells me you don't have it....or have never had it anyway. No, you're just taking the words out of context. Sex for just pleasure with no terms of reproduction is sinful, it is lust. It is not intended for reproducing. That is where it is wrong and sinful. Sex is for reproduction, yes we are to enjoy each other and enjoy the pleasure of the other, but that is not the intended reason for doing as such. That is what I was getting at in a longer form of way. No, they are specifically accurate in context...and you cannot worm out of your contradiction. I guess you're now in the "god (and you) are infallible" mode...or as I call it here down on Earth: denial. AGAIN, all i said was sexual intercourse was not to be done purely for the pleasure of it. It is for reproduction and of course to feel the pleasure caused by our married spouse in the process of doing as such. And again, it is lustful for sex to be done for purely the physical pleasure of it. Oh, I get it...lol...(now a spin on what was said) it's pretty much: Don't show or have passion, no lust for the woam you love...no desire to the woman you're inserting your penis into her only to bare children...for god right? Dude, seriously? So IF you get married and have 3 kids that means that you will have shown your love for your wife only THREE times? Take it from one of your leaders: Do Evangelical Christians have good and frequent sex? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOpMsuz_uK4&feature=related No you obviously don't get it. You only read part of what I say. I want to bring attention to this part of my previous post "It is for reproduction and of course to feel the pleasure caused by our married spouse in the process of doing as such." Want you to put attention to the "to feel the pleasure caused by our married spouse". "Do Evangelical Christians have good and frequent sex?" Would differ from person to person I reckon, just as it would with any person. lol, Christians aren't aliens. So if a couple are married they may do it frequently, they may not. Would differ from person to person as some people don't prefer to have sex frequently, some prefer to do it very frequently. |
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Edited by
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1. Know ye not that ye are a God? did ye also create the universe...if not then ye ain't isn't aren't no God ..ye is hallucinating 2. The only reward for sin is death. Our father offers eternal life. yep..you will be a ghost haunting Heaven forever only to serve God and to praise God and nothing else .. 3. We will be given a new spiritual body. If you wish to call this of previously mention, that is your choice. a new spritual body is slang for a ghost body ..come on you can say it...ghost 3. We will no longer feel hunger, what is so bad about that? that depends on why you no longer feel hunger, it means you just ate or mean your brain does not send hunger signals to the brain or it mean you are dead 4. We aren't suppose to have lustful sex even on earth, so what's different? Cowboy...you are obviously a virgin |
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1. Know ye not that ye are a God? did ye also create the universe...if not then ye ain't isn't aren't no God ..ye is hallucinating 2. The only reward for sin is death. Our father offers eternal life. yep..you will be a ghost haunting Heaven forever only to serve God and to praise God and nothing else .. 3. We will be given a new spiritual body. If you wish to call this of previously mention, that is your choice. a new spritual body is slang for a ghost body ..come on you can say it...ghost 3. We will no longer feel hunger, what is so bad about that? that depends on why you no longer feel hunger, it means you just ate or mean your brain does not send hunger signals to the brain or it mean you are dead 4. We aren't suppose to have lustful sex even on earth, so what's different? Cowboy...you are obviously a virgin ======================== yep..you will be a ghost haunting Heaven forever only to serve God and to praise God and nothing else . ======================== You say that like that would be a bad thing. That is the greatest thing ever my friend. |
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1. Know ye not that ye are a God? did ye also create the universe...if not then ye ain't isn't aren't no God ..ye is hallucinating 2. The only reward for sin is death. Our father offers eternal life. yep..you will be a ghost haunting Heaven forever only to serve God and to praise God and nothing else .. 3. We will be given a new spiritual body. If you wish to call this of previously mention, that is your choice. a new spritual body is slang for a ghost body ..come on you can say it...ghost 3. We will no longer feel hunger, what is so bad about that? that depends on why you no longer feel hunger, it means you just ate or mean your brain does not send hunger signals to the brain or it mean you are dead 4. We aren't suppose to have lustful sex even on earth, so what's different? Cowboy...you are obviously a virgin ======================== yep..you will be a ghost haunting Heaven forever only to serve God and to praise God and nothing else . ======================== You say that like that would be a bad thing. That is the greatest thing ever my friend. since you fail to do the same here while on Earth....it is a bad thing ...because it will be the only thing you get to do once in Heaven? ... |
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1. Know ye not that ye are a God? did ye also create the universe...if not then ye ain't isn't aren't no God ..ye is hallucinating 2. The only reward for sin is death. Our father offers eternal life. yep..you will be a ghost haunting Heaven forever only to serve God and to praise God and nothing else .. 3. We will be given a new spiritual body. If you wish to call this of previously mention, that is your choice. a new spritual body is slang for a ghost body ..come on you can say it...ghost 3. We will no longer feel hunger, what is so bad about that? that depends on why you no longer feel hunger, it means you just ate or mean your brain does not send hunger signals to the brain or it mean you are dead 4. We aren't suppose to have lustful sex even on earth, so what's different? Cowboy...you are obviously a virgin ======================== yep..you will be a ghost haunting Heaven forever only to serve God and to praise God and nothing else . ======================== You say that like that would be a bad thing. That is the greatest thing ever my friend. since you fail to do the same here while on Earth....it is a bad thing ...because it will be the only thing you get to do once in Heaven? ... How would you know what I do through my days? How do you not know that all through my day I eat, worship our father, eat, worship our father, then sleep through the night. Maybe that's my daily routine, you have no idea what I do through the day nor does it make any difference to you. But just don't know where you get off proclaiming that I don't do it because I don't do it now. For now I have physical needs eg., eat, drink, sleep, ect. After heaven is brought to earth I will no longer need to do as such, thus I could worship our father forever and ever. *This is my last response to this if this continues to go towards personal attributes. This is a discussion about the religion itself, not about what one does or doesn't do. That is irrelevant to the discussion.* |
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How would you know what I do through my days? How do you not know that all through my day I eat, worship our father, eat, worship our father, then sleep through the night. Maybe that's my daily routine, you have no idea what I do through the day nor does it make any difference to you. But just don't know where you get off proclaiming that I don't do it because I don't do it now. because Cowboy you already confessed many times that you sin because your flesh is weak that is how I know that you do not worship God 24/7 and will have to do it for all etenerality .... For now I have physical needs eg., eat, drink, sleep, ect. After heaven is brought to earth I will no longer need to do as such, thus I could worship our father forever and ever. you have to eat and drink because you are not dead ...when Heaven comes to Earth will you become human again or will you be doom to haunt the Earth as a ghost among the humans *This is my last response to this if this continues to go towards personal attributes. This is a discussion about the religion itself, not about what one does or doesn't do. That is irrelevant to the discussion.* and what if I stop responding to your posts that include you preaching in them instead of debating ...is your preaching relevant to the debate?...are you looking for tithes for your sermons.....if you are going to preach the irrelevant gospel during the debate... then quit whining and just debate .. |
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when it comes to the gift of Heaven 1.Thou shalt no longer be Human 2.Thou shalt be alive but dead and one of the Undead 3.Thou shalt be for all eternality a ghost/spirit/specter 3.Thou shalt not eat food or take of the drink 4.Thou shalt not have lustful sex so far this is sounding more like a gag then a gift and what are some of the other things that will or won't be allowed in Heaven will books be banned and which books will be allowed in Heaven if any and will the bible itself be banned in Heaven 5.Thou shalt not take of the book... Heaven would have to ban books because they will be tainted of worldily things and messages 6. Thou shalt not have Technology.....no technology would be allowed in Heaven because it would be due to the knowledge obtain from Satan which means no televisions no computers ....The motto of Heaven will be "if you weren't born with it then you don't need it" |
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