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Yep...with no apologies to disbelievers.
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I saw one in central Oregon over ten years ago. It looked a bit like this picture  You could tell it was huge and flying low but it didn't make a sound. I was with about five other people. We watched it for a few minutes before it flew out of view. Ever since, I've been fascinated with the subject of UFOs. My belief is that they are most likely man made but you never know Thats exactly what I saw one night in Ontario Canada  See guys, I told you I'm not crazy!!! ...or at least I'm not the only one who is  
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seen a few over the years .... but as the saying goes .... they are unidentified ... [not extraterrestial space ships]
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maybe we should have a UFO watching party sometime... i saw a satalite make a 90 degree turn once in florida.... so i guess that was a UFO, because i do not know what it was...
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Edited by
wux
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Thu 12/30/10 07:13 AM
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The funny lights you see in the sky are probably just that - funny lights. UFOs can come in any shape, not just as funny lights. Have you ever lived through a hurricane? You will see many objects flying, and you don't know what they are, you can't identify them for their common name, or their use, shape, color, where they have come from, etc. So they are, per definition, unidentified. The worst storm of UFOs I personally ever lived through were when I gave a speach to a bunch of Theoretical Mormon-based Physics Referees. At the end of my speech many Unidentified (by me) Flying Objects were approaching me, at a high speed. Some of them I could later identify by smell (rotten eggs, rotten cabbages, rotten tomatoes), but most of the Objects remained forever unidentified for me. maybe we should have a UFO watching party sometime... i saw a satalite make a 90 degree turn once in florida.... so i guess that was a UFO, because i do not know what it was... They were trying to avoid a black hole. To a UFO a black hole is what a pothole is to you and your Chevy pick-up. Was this observation made in March? Black Holes are more numerous then, coz the government's Black-Hole filling crew goes out first in March or April to fill them up with empty space. Don't laugh, empty space is not a Black Hole. If you don't believe me, jump into both, and you'll see. It's like gasoline and water; both are see-through liquids, yet if you drink a glass of water, you're okay, if you drink a glass of gasoline, you get a severe case of death. |
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I saw one in central Oregon over ten years ago. It looked a bit like this picture You could tell it was huge and flying low but it didn't make a sound. I was with about five other people. We watched it for a few minutes before it flew out of view. Ever since, I've been fascinated with the subject of UFOs. My belief is that they are most likely man made but you never know Thats exactly what I saw one night in Ontario Canada See guys, I told you I'm not crazy!!! ...or at least I'm not the only one who is UV irradiated nuclear geese, flying in formation, no sound. This is a phenomenon that is perpetrated by allowing Canada Geese to nest near the core of the Michimachichinga Nuclear Waste Disposal Site in Northern Quebec, Canada, near the top of the Michimachichinga river valley. They can only be observed at night, coz during the day the power of the sunlight drowns their emanating self-generated faint light. |
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Edited by
wux
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Thu 12/30/10 07:28 AM
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It's a funny thing, aliens and space ships.
If you have seen one, you can't be talked out of having seen one, just like you can't be talked out of the sky having a color, or people having feet. If you hain't seen one, you won't believe those who say they have, coz in school they teach you the UFOs don't exist. And you beleive everything they teach you in school -- in fact, acquiring the belief that you have to believe your teachers is the first lesson you must learn in school. So here we have two groups of people who have nothing to go by but personal experience, since beyond anecdotal evidence there is no support for the existence of alien space ships. Most pictorial evidence has been debunked by some or another vigilant debunker. Yet people exist, normal, not crazy or drug-smoking people, who tell you that they have seen UFOs. Whom to believe? Your teachers, or your eye-witnesses? This is an impossible question to decide. In fact, it is more interesting to me when viewed as a problem in acquiring knowledge or rejecting it based on nothing beyond pure personal experience. This says more about the philosophy of acquiring belief for humans than many big textbooks. |
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It's a funny thing, aliens and space ships. If you have seen one, you can't be talked out of having seen one, just like you can't be talked out of the sky having a color, or people having feet. If you hain't seen one, you won't believe those who say they have, coz in school they teach you the UFOs don't exist. And you beleive everything they teach you in school -- in fact, acquiring the belief that you have to believe your teachers is the first lesson you must learn in school. So here we have two groups of people who have nothing to go by but personal experience, since beyond anecdotal evidence there is no support for the existence of alien space ships. Most pictorial evidence has been debunked by some or another vigilant debunker. Yet people exist, normal, not crazy or drug-smoking people, who tell you that they have seen UFOs. Whom to believe? Your teachers, or your eye-witnesses? This is an impossible question to decide. In fact, it is more interesting to me when viewed as a problem in acquiring knowledge or rejecting it based on nothing beyond pure personal experience. This says more about the philosophy of acquiring belief for humans than many big textbooks. I tend to agree with what this guy said. I would like to add that it is a question hugely different from believing in things that can only be believed in, like a God. You believe in God, you don't believe in God, it's a thing that can be controlled, by many things: By your teachers, by your parents, by your peers, by your mind, by your reason, by logic, by philosophers, by personal experience, by impression in a spiritual axis, by a religious experience, by physical pleasure, or the promise of it (in the afterlife). But UFOs are different. They are not a thing of belief. They are experiential knowledge, like a table or a microwave oven. It is not a question of spiritual meditation whether tables exist or not. If you have seen a table, you know they exist. Furthermore, in countries where there are no tables, schoolteachers there might explain to students what a table is, what it looks like, what it is used for; and the students will understand and believe that the teacher is not pulling a fast one on them. The teacher's sanity and relative knowledgeablity gives the students the assurance that tables do exist, and are used in a way the teacher says they are. Much like in my school fifty years ago we were taught that in China they had rikshaws, and they had pagodas, and though I had never seen either, I beleived the teacher, without reservations. The UFOs are quite a different bunch of geese. They are experiencial, like tables; they are readily accepted as an object posiblee; they need not much explanation for their use, nature, quality. In this sense they are both like god and a table, inasmuch as UFOs are a concept easily accepted by people as a concept, even with detailing. But UFOS differ from God inasmuch as they are NOT a belief changeable by meditation or moral changes; and the UFOs differ from tables as they are both objects, imaginable, reasonable to exist, yet one is readily accepted as for sure they exist, and the other, are never accepted to exist, or at least to exist and to have been seen or interacted with. This explains the standpoint of the skeptics about UFOs. Now take the believers of UFOs. The believers don't believe in UFOs as in Gods. A belief in a god or in gods can be abandoned. A belief in a UFO by those who have seen them, can NOT be abandoned. It more like having seen your leg, and then having to fight society that you do have a real, existing leg, which you have seen. No amount of meditation, soul-searching, spiritual self-examination will make you get convinced that your legs don't exist, and therefore very similarly, the same methods can't convince you to think that UFOs don't exist if you seen some. So why do we believe that tables are real, existing, and can be found here on earth, (or Black Widow spiders), and yet we mostly believe and are clear that UFOs exist, but have not been seen, or interacted with, but only by those who have seen them and interacted with them. This is an interesting dilemma. Why do we believe sensible and reasonable claims, in selective ways about facts that are observable by all, and observed by some, but not observed by our own selves? So... why? Huh? I asked you a question, buddy. First ask questions, then shoot. You are new in this parts, ain't you, cowboy. Well, I am whom they call the Kid, and I am the one that asks questions. Even the sheriff knows that. I would tell you to ask him to tell you I'm right, but I can't, coz I am the only one who asks questions, so very obviously you can't ask him. Duh. |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Sat 01/01/11 08:01 PM
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It's a funny thing, aliens and space ships. If you have seen one, you can't be talked out of having seen one, just like you can't be talked out of the sky having a color, or people having feet. If you hain't seen one, you won't believe those who say they have, coz in school they teach you the UFOs don't exist. And you beleive everything they teach you in school -- in fact, acquiring the belief that you have to believe your teachers is the first lesson you must learn in school. So here we have two groups of people who have nothing to go by but personal experience, since beyond anecdotal evidence there is no support for the existence of alien space ships. Most pictorial evidence has been debunked by some or another vigilant debunker. Yet people exist, normal, not crazy or drug-smoking people, who tell you that they have seen UFOs. Whom to believe? Your teachers, or your eye-witnesses? This is an impossible question to decide. In fact, it is more interesting to me when viewed as a problem in acquiring knowledge or rejecting it based on nothing beyond pure personal experience. This says more about the philosophy of acquiring belief for humans than many big textbooks. I tend to agree with what this guy said. I would like to add that it is a question hugely different from believing in things that can only be believed in, like a God. You believe in God, you don't believe in God, it's a thing that can be controlled, by many things: By your teachers, by your parents, by your peers, by your mind, by your reason, by logic, by philosophers, by personal experience, by impression in a spiritual axis, by a religious experience, by physical pleasure, or the promise of it (in the afterlife). But UFOs are different. They are not a thing of belief. They are experiential knowledge, like a table or a microwave oven. It is not a question of spiritual meditation whether tables exist or not. If you have seen a table, you know they exist. Furthermore, in countries where there are no tables, schoolteachers there might explain to students what a table is, what it looks like, what it is used for; and the students will understand and believe that the teacher is not pulling a fast one on them. The teacher's sanity and relative knowledgeablity gives the students the assurance that tables do exist, and are used in a way the teacher says they are. Much like in my school fifty years ago we were taught that in China they had rikshaws, and they had pagodas, and though I had never seen either, I beleived the teacher, without reservations. The UFOs are quite a different bunch of geese. They are experiencial, like tables; they are readily accepted as an object posiblee; they need not much explanation for their use, nature, quality. In this sense they are both like god and a table, inasmuch as UFOs are a concept easily accepted by people as a concept, even with detailing. But UFOS differ from God inasmuch as they are NOT a belief changeable by meditation or moral changes; and the UFOs differ from tables as they are both objects, imaginable, reasonable to exist, yet one is readily accepted as for sure they exist, and the other, are never accepted to exist, or at least to exist and to have been seen or interacted with. This explains the standpoint of the skeptics about UFOs. Now take the believers of UFOs. The believers don't believe in UFOs as in Gods. A belief in a god or in gods can be abandoned. A belief in a UFO by those who have seen them, can NOT be abandoned. It more like having seen your leg, and then having to fight society that you do have a real, existing leg, which you have seen. No amount of meditation, soul-searching, spiritual self-examination will make you get convinced that your legs don't exist, and therefore very similarly, the same methods can't convince you to think that UFOs don't exist if you seen some. So why do we believe that tables are real, existing, and can be found here on earth, (or Black Widow spiders), and yet we mostly believe and are clear that UFOs exist, but have not been seen, or interacted with, but only by those who have seen them and interacted with them. This is an interesting dilemma. Why do we believe sensible and reasonable claims, in selective ways about facts that are observable by all, and observed by some, but not observed by our own selves? So... why? Huh? I asked you a question, buddy. First ask questions, then shoot. You are new in this parts, ain't you, cowboy. Well, I am whom they call the Kid, and I am the one that asks questions. Even the sheriff knows that. I would tell you to ask him to tell you I'm right, but I can't, coz I am the only one who asks questions, so very obviously you can't ask him. Duh. i agree with you, but one thing about UFO's...unidentified flying object... so if anyone sees anything flying, and they don't know what it is, it is a UFO... just because you/we don't know what it is, does not mean it is not from earth, it just means you don't know wth it is... |
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Just so happens I did see something strange one morning
very recently- about a month ago I woke up about 4 am and saw what I thought was a plane flying east over my house with extremely bright lights on it. I didn't think much of it at that second but then noticed that it was flying incredibly slow and moving not like a plane- but actually zig-zagging in the sky -it also had what looked like a smaller plane(?) flyng close by....I watched them for about ten minutes until they finally left the horizon and went behind a hill... and I am the last person that ever would believe a UFO story What ever this was- it was strange! 
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Just so happens I did see something strange one morning very recently- about a month ago I woke up about 4 am and saw what I thought was a plane flying east over my house with extremely bright lights on it. I didn't think much of it at that second but then noticed that it was flying incredibly slow and moving not like a plane- but actually zig-zagging in the sky -it also had what looked like a smaller plane(?) flyng close by....I watched them for about ten minutes until they finally left the horizon and went behind a hill... and I am the last person that ever would believe a UFO story What ever this was- it was strange! Really! |
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I do believe in UFO's, I have never seen one in real life, however I have seen one coming out of Carmens butt on southpark
  
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Edited by
wux
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Sun 01/02/11 10:09 PM
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i agree with you, but one thing about UFO's...unidentified flying object... so if anyone sees anything flying, and they don't know what it is, it is a UFO... just because you/we don't know what it is, does not mean it is not from earth, it just means you don't know wth it is... Well, I agree with the creators of all three posters before this here mine. UFO... unidentified by whom? If it is unidentified by all... including all salient and sentient beings, then it's not a spaceship of alien nature. A spaceship of alien nature is unidentified by Earthlings, sure, but it is at the same time identified by those who built it and those who ride it. "This space ship is mine; I can tell my spaceship anywhere I hear him bark... I can pick him out, even in the dark." So alien UFOs are not UFOs to that particular UFO's riders, but they may be unidentified, and furthermore, unidentifiable, by riders of UFOs in other galaxies and by Earthlings. If a UFO is not identified by anyone, then it's truly a UFO of UFO.(Unidentified Flying Objects, whose identity is only knownt to the professors at the jet propulsion labs at the University of Fenshaw, Oregon.) |
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i agree with you, but one thing about UFO's...unidentified flying object... so if anyone sees anything flying, and they don't know what it is, it is a UFO... just because you/we don't know what it is, does not mean it is not from earth, it just means you don't know wth it is... Well, I agree with the creators of all three posters before this here mine. UFO... unidentified by whom? If it is unidentified by all... including all salient and sentient beings, then it's not a spaceship of alien nature. A spaceship of alien nature is unidentified by Earthlings, sure, but it is at the same time identified by those who built it and those who ride it. "This space ship is mine; I can tell my spaceship anywhere I hear him bark... I can pick him out, even in the dark." So alien UFOs are not UFOs to that particular UFO's riders, but they may be unidentified, and furthermore, unidentifiable, by riders of UFOs in other galaxies and by Earthlings. If a UFO is not identified by anyone, then it's truly a UFO of UFO.(Unidentified Flying Objects, whose identity is only knownt to the professors at the jet propulsion labs at the University of Fenshaw, Oregon.) if you don't know what it is, then it is a UFO... simple as that. someone will always know what it is, whether it is the aliens or the pilot... |
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There's no life on other planets, only other countries testing out new spy planes with better technology.
Why do you think you can't get near area 51? It's top secret stuff! Like man made saucers! I think they make them to spy on the other countries. That's my thinking anyway. |
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There's no life on other planets, only other countries testing out new spy planes with better technology. Why do you think you can't get near area 51? It's top secret stuff! Like man made saucers! I think they make them to spy on the other countries. That's my thinking anyway. maybe, but i have to disagree about life on other planets...just the mathematical odds alone says there is....take our galaxy by it self... over a trillion stars in it, and even if 1% have a planet that could support life, that is still a billion stars that have a planet that could support a life form. and add that up with the billions of other galaxies, the odds alone says there is life on other planets. |
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There's no life on other planets, only other countries testing out new spy planes with better technology. Why do you think you can't get near area 51? It's top secret stuff! Like man made saucers! I think they make them to spy on the other countries. That's my thinking anyway. maybe, but i have to disagree about life on other planets...just the mathematical odds alone says there is....take our galaxy by it self... over a trillion stars in it, and even if 1% have a planet that could support life, that is still a billion stars that have a planet that could support a life form. and add that up with the billions of other galaxies, the odds alone says there is life on other planets. Not here to argue. Just put in my two cents 
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There's no life on other planets, only other countries testing out new spy planes with better technology. Why do you think you can't get near area 51? It's top secret stuff! Like man made saucers! I think they make them to spy on the other countries. That's my thinking anyway. maybe, but i have to disagree about life on other planets...just the mathematical odds alone says there is....take our galaxy by it self... over a trillion stars in it, and even if 1% have a planet that could support life, that is still a billion stars that have a planet that could support a life form. and add that up with the billions of other galaxies, the odds alone says there is life on other planets. Not here to argue. Just put in my two cents and your 2 cents is welcome anytime.... but i might have to charge you a nickle though...inflation, ya know |
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if it truly an UFO, it means it has not been identified, so therefore,we don't know what it is. Are there things out there that are from other planets? I think so. Why not? Should that be considered craziness? I don't think so. If we are the most advanced society and culture in the universe, we're in big deep do do. lol
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