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Be a Liar?
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Sure they can. I consider myself to be very honest but find there are times when a lie comes in handy. When my mom far away calls and part of the conversation revolves around what I ate or am going to eat for dinner (there was reason for concern on this matter) and the truth is not a thing but the answer is salad and a small steak, well that makes her feel better and hurts no one. Or when a friend is excited about a date and has bought a new out fit and primped and asks how she looks? What good comes from telling her that the pants are terrible? She feels good and so also confident, pretty. Why ruin that with no time to change it.
So do I lie about important things like how I feel about you or if I am threat to you in some way or anything 'real'? No I do not. But so called 'white' lies have a place and I don't believe we don't all tell them now and then. |
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Sure they can. I consider myself to be very honest but find there are times when a lie comes in handy. When my mom far away calls and part of the conversation revolves around what I ate or am going to eat for dinner (there was reason for concern on this matter) and the truth is not a thing but the answer is salad and a small steak, well that makes her feel better and hurts no one. Or when a friend is excited about a date and has bought a new out fit and primped and asks how she looks? What good comes from telling her that the pants are terrible? She feels good and so also confident, pretty. Why ruin that with no time to change it. So do I lie about important things like how I feel about you or if I am threat to you in some way or anything 'real'? No I do not. But so called 'white' lies have a place and I don't believe we don't all tell them now and then. |
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Thanks.
I am surprised your topic hasn't taken off! Give it some time and it might just be a several pager, I think it is an interesting question. |
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Edited by
Beachfarmer
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Thu 01/27/11 05:36 PM
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The closest most honest people that I have respected INCREDIBLY..
I'm sure have spared my feelings once or twice.....not much, but at least a little. |
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The closest most honest people that I have respected INCREDIBLY.. I'm sure have spared my feelings once or twice.....not much, but at least a little. And probably with a little white lie, am I right? |
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an "easement" or omission of the ABSOLUTE truth
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 semantics....I know
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i value honesty ....
and to answer your ques, Yes lol at the orphanage where i volunteer there was a little girl diagnose with leukemia bought her a pet bird while she was in the hospital , and the bird died ,she loved that bird .. she ask me about the bird ,knowing her condition i lied ..."the bird is perfectly safe ' my point exactly is i lied to make her happy , |
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i value honesty .... and to answer your ques, Yes lol at the orphanage where i volunteer there was a little girl diagnose with leukemia bought her a pet bird while she was in the hospital , and the bird died ,she loved that bird .. she ask me about the bird ,knowing her condition i lied ..."the bird is perfectly safe ' my point exactly is i lied to make her happy , |
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i value honesty .... and to answer your ques, Yes lol at the orphanage where i volunteer there was a little girl diagnose with leukemia bought her a pet bird while she was in the hospital , and the bird died ,she loved that bird .. she ask me about the bird ,knowing her condition i lied ..."the bird is perfectly safe ' my point exactly is i lied to make her happy , Without knowing more detail I think that since you said "safe" and not "fine" you told a 'white lie' to keep her from more pain. |
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Yes.
There have been many cases throughout history when honest people have lied to protect themselves and or the lives of friends. When the heat's on, the old addage "All is fair in love and war" seems to get a lot of mileage. :) K. |
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Err...that would mean they weren't honest, no?
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Wow, brilliant!
K. |
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Wow, brilliant! K. Actually kind of funny that none of you picked up on it. If an honest person lies, they are not honest...I mean, I learned this **** in first grade. |
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can an honest person be a liar
if we look strictly semantically honest: free from fraud or deception liar: : a person who tells lies so, if we adhere to the english language the answer is NO if we go by broader, more forgiving, common standards the question could then be translated as can an honest person(someone with a BASICALLY honest nature) be a liar (someone who has told a lie),,then the answer would be yes as a christian, I think people have BASIC natures but no ABSOLUTE character(meaning unchangable by circumstances or environment) which is why there is the premise in the bible that none of us are 'good' because none of us have an ABSOLUTE goodness that never does or has done wrong(knowingly and intentionally) and why I believe our spiritual judgement is so much more complex than the judgement of our actions and words and why I dont think we should be passing spiritual judgement on others,, so as a christian I would say, there are people who are usually/basically honest in their behavior and speech who have indeed told at least one lie(how many are required to be labeled liar?) in their lifetimes,,,, |
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Fascinating topic. I have a friend who is on Adult Friend Finder. He is looking for a serious relationship which will lead to marriage. To me that is a contradiction in terms. Needless to say it isn't working out. She is a rich lady from another country who is doing very well because she is a lawyer. He is from the way he has mentioned to me is very committed to the idea of having sex with her his friend for a married relationship. She is very committed to idea of looking for a friend before she gets married to have sex with. He saves every bit of the money he makes from working two jobs so he can go down to see her. So far he has went to see her three times and she is a no call no show. It is because she has a very busy schedule and has children. I find it interesting how these two players keep playing each other. Now she is angry with him because he talks about sex with all the time. He has told everyone that he is unavailable because he is in a committed relationship with her. She has told him basically that she is unavailable to him because all he wants is to have sex with her. In other words, she thinks because she hasn't put out with him that he is shunning her but his Internet was down because he couldn't afford it because all his money went to seeing her and she never shows up when he goes to see her because she is so busy making money. I think they both really enjoy mind games.
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Fascinating topic. I have a friend who is on Adult Friend Finder. He is looking for a serious relationship which will lead to marriage. To me that is a contradiction in terms. Needless to say it isn't working out. She is a rich lady from another country who is doing very well because she is a lawyer. He is from the way he has mentioned to me is very committed to the idea of having sex with her his friend for a married relationship. She is very committed to idea of looking for a friend before she gets married to have sex with. He saves every bit of the money he makes from working two jobs so he can go down to see her. So far he has went to see her three times and she is a no call no show. It is because she has a very busy schedule and has children. I find it interesting how these two players keep playing each other. Now she is angry with him because he talks about sex with all the time. He has told everyone that he is unavailable because he is in a committed relationship with her. She has told him basically that she is unavailable to him because all he wants is to have sex with her. In other words, she thinks because she hasn't put out with him that he is shunning her but his Internet was down because he couldn't afford it because all his money went to seeing her and she never shows up when he goes to see her because she is so busy making money. I think they both really enjoy mind games. wheres the contradiction? I think the best relationships start from friendship, then turn SERIOUS, leading to marriage,,, |
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Most people who know me know that I will tell it like it is, so I would call that honest but I will omit things if I feel like it is not nice or will do no good. Sometimes I will change the subject or like in the pants example you can say "it goes with the shirt" or what ever, that way it is not a lie but not the answer that they were wanting. If they really wanted the bad answer then they will ask again and that is when I will give the straight "That is bad" answer. I tried to spare their feelings at first but when someone wants the truth then they should be ready to handle it.
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Edited by
RainbowTrout
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Fri 01/28/11 12:25 PM
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Fascinating topic. I have a friend who is on Adult Friend Finder. He is looking for a serious relationship which will lead to marriage. To me that is a contradiction in terms. Needless to say it isn't working out. She is a rich lady from another country who is doing very well because she is a lawyer. He is from the way he has mentioned to me is very committed to the idea of having sex with her his friend for a married relationship. She is very committed to idea of looking for a friend before she gets married to have sex with. He saves every bit of the money he makes from working two jobs so he can go down to see her. So far he has went to see her three times and she is a no call no show. It is because she has a very busy schedule and has children. I find it interesting how these two players keep playing each other. Now she is angry with him because he talks about sex with all the time. He has told everyone that he is unavailable because he is in a committed relationship with her. She has told him basically that she is unavailable to him because all he wants is to have sex with her. In other words, she thinks because she hasn't put out with him that he is shunning her but his Internet was down because he couldn't afford it because all his money went to seeing her and she never shows up when he goes to see her because she is so busy making money. I think they both really enjoy mind games. wheres the contradiction? I think the best relationships start from friendship, then turn SERIOUS, leading to marriage,,, The contradiction I saw was after he went there the third time and she wasn't there. What kind of friend would do that to another friend. Unless, of course, each person has their own version of what friendship is. I don't think five minutes to show up for the designated rendezvous is too much to ask if one is looking for a committed relationship. I wouldn't call someone who doesn't show up a friend and how could that be construed as being committed. Just me, I guess. I know I am done with long distance relationships.  |
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