Shiki believes that if you use logic, science, and reasoning, the Resurrection of Christ can be proven.

What's your opinion? If we take faith out of the mix, as this is a category titled "Science and Philosophy," can we use science, logic, and reasoning to prove His resurrection?

Yes, blood tests show that Jesus was a vampire.

lookin4home writes:

"Yes, blood tests show that Jesus was a vampire."

Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin. If you are so sure it cannot be proven, how about using logic and reason.

If you take faith out of the mix, it will come down like proving Santa Claus exists. From a myth/legend a story was born and has snowballed up into a mass following that the majority of the people just except and play along with because it is nice to read the story books and feel there is some good in this world. That is why religion needs to rely on faith because there is no other way to prove it...

Interesting perspective, GravelRidgeBoy. Although I do not agree with you, I respect your point of view. Looking for others to provide their insights before I respond.

Thanks so much.

Anyone can make the claim they are Jesus come back. I doubt highly that Jesus is ever coming back. All his myth was about was giving people false hope to believe in a false belief! Taking the Bible literally is a fallacy unto itself. There are way to many religious points of view to lend any credence at least to me on Jesus ever returning.

Ever her the saying 'crap in one hand wish in the other and see which fills first?' Well, I see that applying directly to the idea of Jesus coming back. His resurrection could have been faked easily. Only his faithful had seen him and no other accounts of him surviving his crucifixion exist from non believers. Had he had been seen by say King Herod or any number of Romans who would have given an outside account of his appearance would make it more believable. Sorry but when only "Faithful" seen Jesus reappear after dying is like saying you can see MY imaginary friend if you look hard enough.

Sorry but Jesus's resurrection is a lie! No proof, not enough evidence from secondary sources, and all of this counters God giving us free will!

AndyBGood writes:

"Sorry but Jesus's resurrection is a lie! No proof, not enough evidence from secondary sources, and all of this counters God giving us free will!"

You may be surprised. Again, we're talking logic, reason, and science here, NOT faith. I have a strong case for this, but I want to hear what others have to say.

By the way, I recently seen Jesus washing cars at a car wash! Jesus Rivera!

That went hand in hand with the Jesus I seen a couple of weeks ago, Jesus Guevara, the neighbor's gardener!

Instead of waiting to see if anyone randomly counters your case, why not set it on the table as we have here with our words instead of just telling us to have faith that you actually have a good case. It is only fair I think...

The last shall be first and the first shall be last.

Patience. All good things come with time.

My answer will be posted tomorrow.

Shiki I just don’t like you, regardless of the topic. You’re one of those people that like to get on forums and post because in real day to day life no one cares about what you have to say. You feel compelled to have your voice heard when no one wants to hear it. You show up in a science and philosophy forum to talk about Jesus’ resurrection, why? Probably because no one wants to talk to you so the only way to get people to talk to you is to have them argue with you. Go get a girlfriend, get some friends, get a life, and when that doesn’t work go get a dog, because even though he doesn’t care what you have to say and doesn’t want to hear it, he'll stick around for the free food and water.
That's all i have to say about that.

In other news, i agree with andybgood and gravelridgeboy.

lookin4home, have you ever thought if you had Christ, you would not need to look for a home, as you would have a mansion?

You'll have to wait and see.

As for not liking me, I am such a likeable chap. But, it is interesting as to how angry you are. Have you thought about maybe taking a bubble bath? It is very soothing.

Lastly, I am going to use science, logic, and reason for this one. So, my topic fits this category.

Stay tuned. And if you say nice things, you may just make THE WALL OF SHIKI!!!

this gets my vote for useless post of the week...

I grew up Lutheran. I went to a Catholic High School. I studied the bible in depth far deeper than any lay person and deeper than most Catholic Priests. Look not to the mote in your brother's eye when you have a log in yours! I could go in sot serious detail about the failures of blind faith in Christianity. The Catholic Church has a long standing animosity towards Jews yet their faith is based around a Jewish Carpenter. Gods own Commandment has been broken even before the founding of Christianity, thou shall have no other gods but me, when people deified Jesus. Time and time again Jesus admitted being the son of Man and yet he said we ALL are the children of God.

Like I said before had other people seen Jesus walking around after his death and chronicled it elsewhere than the Bible there would be a shred of Credibility! Science is Based on Empirical knowledge gained by experimentation, observation, and is repeatable by more than one source. Christianity meets none of these criteria! All they say is Have Faith. Well, show me proof. Faith is meaningless without something to back it. Blind Faith is just that, BLINDNESS! (It also was a kick azz band in the 1960's)

Now I did present Logic and Reason. Your reply was deeply fallacious! You are the one running on faith or Christian Science which is a total oxymoron. Careful where you tread. Abracadabra can rip your arguments to shreds. You are lucky he has not seen this. You would probably want to hide in a closet after he got done ripping this topic to shreds.

I predict some William lane Craig like attempt to "prove" Jesus existed and was resurrected.

I shall await until some claim has been made with details before responding.

The main problems will always come down to what you mean by Science, Reason, and Logic. If you use non-rigorous definitions you can prove pink pandas fly from invisible belly buttons.

Yes, because all the homeless would get a mansion if only they believed in Jesus?...lol

Testify Brother!

Matters not if he was or was not 'resurrected' 2000 years ago...

Humans being what they are he is long gone in this day.

but the MESSAGE lives.

Jesus left Chicago!



Mr. Gibbons is keeping his Guitar warm.