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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Cowboy wrote: Bad example. Black people are born black, they don't have a choice. Rejecting God is a choice. And again I'm not condemning anyone. I know not if you or anyone else will make it to heaven or not. I make nothing personal my friend, it is you that makes the personal attacks. No one here is rejecting God. Even atheists don't reject God. But that's not what you constantly accuse people of. You accuse them of rejecting God if they refuse to support your religious bigotry. And my analogy does apply, because I do not support your religious bigotry thus I fall under the blanket of the "group" that you are accusing. Whether I was born knowing better than to accept religious bigotry or whether I freely chose to reject it is a moot point. You spread hatred in the name of God. Hatred toward everyone and anyone who refuses to cower down to the religion of YOUR CHOICE! I'm not surprised that you can't see this. If you were able to see it you'd probably also be able to see the folly of your religion. A God who hates people who don't believe in him? Can you think about that for even a few minutes? A supposedly all-loving, all-wise, all-benevolent God who hates people for not believing in him?  How do you justify such an idea? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Cowboy wrote: Bad example. Black people are born black, they don't have a choice. Rejecting God is a choice. And again I'm not condemning anyone. I know not if you or anyone else will make it to heaven or not. I make nothing personal my friend, it is you that makes the personal attacks. I don't reject God. Whatever gave you that idea? |
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I do.
I reject everything about your god... and most of every other godhead. I couldn't give a rat's razoo if you worshipped the mighty apple core... try ramming it down my neck, try to attempt to coerce me into worshipping your applecore, and I will make sauce of you and your apple core...then offer you up to the composting goddesses. |
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Cowboy wrote: Bad example. Black people are born black, they don't have a choice. Rejecting God is a choice. And again I'm not condemning anyone. I know not if you or anyone else will make it to heaven or not. I make nothing personal my friend, it is you that makes the personal attacks. No one here is rejecting God. Even atheists don't reject God. But that's not what you constantly accuse people of. You accuse them of rejecting God if they refuse to support your religious bigotry. And my analogy does apply, because I do not support your religious bigotry thus I fall under the blanket of the "group" that you are accusing. Whether I was born knowing better than to accept religious bigotry or whether I freely chose to reject it is a moot point. You spread hatred in the name of God. Hatred toward everyone and anyone who refuses to cower down to the religion of YOUR CHOICE! I'm not surprised that you can't see this. If you were able to see it you'd probably also be able to see the folly of your religion. A God who hates people who don't believe in him? Can you think about that for even a few minutes? A supposedly all-loving, all-wise, all-benevolent God who hates people for not believing in him? How do you justify such an idea? A God who hates people who don't believe in him? Can you think about that for even a few minutes? A supposedly all-loving, all-wise, all-benevolent God who hates people for not believing in him? huh How do you justify such an idea? No need to justify anything. God hates no one. God loves even non believers. Does a parent hate their child when the parent punishes their child? God loves everyone and wants everyone in heaven. But heaven isn't a given, it's earned. It's not bought, it's not given freely, it's earned. It's a reward for our obedience. Just cause one doesn't earn heaven, that doesn't mean God hates them. For it was the individual that didn't earn it them self. It wouldn't be God's fault. Jeaniebean says, I don't reject God. Whatever gave you that idea? Who ever said you reject God? I never once said that. I think I even specifically stated "I know not if you or anyone else will make it to heaven or not". |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 04/15/11 04:49 PM
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I do. I reject everything about your god... and most of every other godhead. I couldn't give a rat's razoo if you worshipped the mighty apple core... try ramming it down my neck, try to attempt to coerce me into worshipping your applecore, and I will make sauce of you and your apple core...then offer you up to the composting goddesses. I AGREE. I reject "his" God. I think his god is a false god. My God is my inner being.  |
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I do. I reject everything about your god... and most of every other godhead. I couldn't give a rat's razoo if you worshipped the mighty apple core... try ramming it down my neck, try to attempt to coerce me into worshipping your applecore, and I will make sauce of you and your apple core...then offer you up to the composting goddesses. Good to hear, much love to you to. No one's ramming anything down anyone's throats. Again, this is a GENERAL RELIGION CHAT forum. This is where people come to CHAT about their religion. No one's ramming anything down anyone's throats. Purely sharing one's beliefs in a civil discussion/chat. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 04/15/11 04:46 PM
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Who ever said you reject God? I never once said that. I think I even specifically stated "I know not if you or anyone else will make it to heaven or not". Well I will tell you then. Nope I'm not going to your Christian heaven. I have other plans on level 27. That's up one level from where your heaven is located. After that, I return home to my inner being and on to the next adventure. |
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Who ever said you reject God? I never once said that. I think I even specifically stated "I know not if you or anyone else will make it to heaven or not". Well I will tell you then. Nope I'm not going to your Christian heaven. I have other plans on level 27. That's up one level from where your heaven is located. After that, I return home to my inner being and on to the next adventure. Alright, glad to hear. Sounds like you have a plan :), congratulations. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Fri 04/15/11 04:48 PM
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I do. I reject everything about your god... and most of every other godhead. I couldn't give a rat's razoo if you worshipped the mighty apple core... try ramming it down my neck, try to attempt to coerce me into worshipping your applecore, and I will make sauce of you and your apple core...then offer you up to the composting goddesses. I AGREE. I reject "his" God. I think his god is a false god. My God in my inner being. JB...for me... I am merely a part of the all...not separated, nor separate...neither god nor servant.....a mere atom vibrating in the greater chaos... For want of a better analogy...  
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Cowboy wrote: No need to justify anything. God hates no one. God loves even non believers. Does a parent hate their child when the parent punishes their child? God loves everyone and wants everyone in heaven. But heaven isn't a given, it's earned. It's not bought, it's not given freely, it's earned. It's a reward for our obedience. Just cause one doesn't earn heaven, that doesn't mean God hates them. For it was the individual that didn't earn it them self. It wouldn't be God's fault. It's truly unbelievable to me how anyone can support such hatred in the name of a "God" and remain in such total denial of it. Your parent/child analogy doesn't work. No sane loving parent would ever send their child into everlasting punishment. What would be the purpose of such a foolish thing? The child certainly wouldn't benefit from it, and the only way the parents could benefit from it is if they got satisfaction from being so dastardly sadistic. So are you suggesting that your God is so sadistic that he lusts to be fulfilled by doing cruel things to people? There is no excuse for such a hateful God Cowboy. And condemning anyone to everlasting punishment is the most hateful thing any human being can imagine. So the religion you support is a religion that worships a sadistic hateful God that has no excuse for his sick demented behavior. There is no justification for it. Period. It's not wise It's not benevolent It's not loving It's nothing but pure unbridled hatred that only an extremely egotistical and jealous God could conceive of to satisfy his own sadistic egotistical desire to hurt someone as "revenge" for not loving him. Such a being would be the most pathetic creature that ever existed. It's just a man-made religion designed specifically to get people to cower down to it out of fear of everlasting punishment should they choose to live their own lives outside of the reach of religious authoritarians. We caught them dead-to-rights in their absurdities. No truly all-righteous, all-wise, all benevolent God, would have created such a hateful scenario. It simply can't be true because it's not all-righteous, all-wise, nor all-benevolent. On the contrary it's extremely unwise, unrighteous, and malevolent (a direct contradiction to what this divine being is supposed to be) The Hebrews shot themselves in the foot when the created a hateful God and tried to claim that it's all-righteous and all-benevolent. They should have never made their God hate heathens. That was their fatal mistake. |
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The question is if there is a god in the first place.
The question is if there is even a heaven also. If you are honest with yourself and with others the correct answer in my opinion is "we don't know". Why create stories or believe in stories that our past have written if we were not there to experience it. I mean I understand if one needs a faith to be happy in life and it truly works for them. Bravo for them, yet we must understand that each human being has a different idealogy that works best for them. If you believe in a religion that you personally just created for yourself and only for yourself then shouldn't this be viable also. I think so as long as it doesn't hurt others in the process. I am lucky to live in a time that I don't need to follow a social group of idealogies to be accepted in society. I can just be me and am great with it. As a agnostic person and I believe everyone is agnostic in this world if they are truly honest with themselves as with others we simply cannot put down definitives when it comes to such deep questions. This of course is just my opinion and I am aware many cannot accept a "I don't know" as a solid answer. Others...well can accept it and still lead a great life. So those that believe in a mediterrenan mythology or a eastern mystiscm or winnie the poo then so be it. Let us at least try to tolerate each other if nothing else. |
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So those that believe in a mediterrenan mythology or a eastern mystiscm or winnie the poo then so be it. Let us at least try to tolerate each other if nothing else. I think I tried to worship winnie the poo when I was about 6....but was also enamoured by tigger... You have an amazing maturity....it's extremely refreshing....thankyou. |
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I do. I reject everything about your god... and most of every other godhead. I couldn't give a rat's razoo if you worshipped the mighty apple core... try ramming it down my neck, try to attempt to coerce me into worshipping your applecore, and I will make sauce of you and your apple core...then offer you up to the composting goddesses. I AGREE. I reject "his" God. I think his god is a false god. My God in my inner being. JB...for me... I am merely a part of the all...not separated, nor separate...neither god nor servant.....a mere atom vibrating in the greater chaos... For want of a better analogy... From one atom in the chaos... Hi! |
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Edited by
pmarco41
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Fri 04/15/11 08:43 PM
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Psalms 2:7 (NIV) I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son ; today I have become your Father.
illusions of grandure, classic schizoid personality |
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So those that believe in a mediterrenan mythology or a eastern mystiscm or winnie the poo then so be it. Let us at least try to tolerate each other if nothing else. I think I tried to worship winnie the poo when I was about 6....but was also enamoured by tigger... You have an amazing maturity....it's extremely refreshing....thankyou. That darn tigger! He is just in everyone's business isn't he! Ha ha too funny. Well thank you for the compliment. I am just expressing how I feel about the whole thing and am aware that many are grinding their teeth when they read my responses and others such as you are quiet okay with them. A compliment is the reward I am looking for, which made my day. Thank you You are quiet wise yourself and I am looking forward to your replies to the many discussions in the forums. :) |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Fri 04/15/11 08:50 PM
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Cowboy wrote: No need to justify anything. God hates no one. God loves even non believers. Does a parent hate their child when the parent punishes their child? God loves everyone and wants everyone in heaven. But heaven isn't a given, it's earned. It's not bought, it's not given freely, it's earned. It's a reward for our obedience. Just cause one doesn't earn heaven, that doesn't mean God hates them. For it was the individual that didn't earn it them self. It wouldn't be God's fault. It's truly unbelievable to me how anyone can support such hatred in the name of a "God" and remain in such total denial of it. Your parent/child analogy doesn't work. No sane loving parent would ever send their child into everlasting punishment. What would be the purpose of such a foolish thing? The child certainly wouldn't benefit from it, and the only way the parents could benefit from it is if they got satisfaction from being so dastardly sadistic. So are you suggesting that your God is so sadistic that he lusts to be fulfilled by doing cruel things to people? There is no excuse for such a hateful God Cowboy. And condemning anyone to everlasting punishment is the most hateful thing any human being can imagine. So the religion you support is a religion that worships a sadistic hateful God that has no excuse for his sick demented behavior. There is no justification for it. Period. It's not wise It's not benevolent It's not loving It's nothing but pure unbridled hatred that only an extremely egotistical and jealous God could conceive of to satisfy his own sadistic egotistical desire to hurt someone as "revenge" for not loving him. Such a being would be the most pathetic creature that ever existed. It's just a man-made religion designed specifically to get people to cower down to it out of fear of everlasting punishment should they choose to live their own lives outside of the reach of religious authoritarians. We caught them dead-to-rights in their absurdities. No truly all-righteous, all-wise, all benevolent God, would have created such a hateful scenario. It simply can't be true because it's not all-righteous, all-wise, nor all-benevolent. On the contrary it's extremely unwise, unrighteous, and malevolent (a direct contradiction to what this divine being is supposed to be) The Hebrews shot themselves in the foot when the created a hateful God and tried to claim that it's all-righteous and all-benevolent. They should have never made their God hate heathens. That was their fatal mistake. Your parent/child analogy doesn't work. No sane loving parent would ever send their child into everlasting punishment. God will "send" no one to everlasting punishment. Why do you point fingers? Your parent/child analogy doesn't work. No sane loving parent would ever send their child into everlasting punishment. What would be the purpose of such a foolish thing? What you do today will effect you for eternity. Again, God SENDS no one to everlasting punishment. What would cause one to have everlasting punishment? A person's choice not to worship God our father, and multiple other things that are clearly up to the judgment of Jesus Christ our lord. In the long run again, YOU are the only one that condemn YOU. Someone else can NOT condemn you, ONLY you. They should have never made their God hate heathens. That was their fatal mistake. Again, God hates NO ONE. Where do you get this stuff? |
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That darn tigger! He is just in everyone's business isn't he! Ha ha too funny. Well thank you for the compliment. I am just expressing how I feel about the whole thing and am aware that many are grinding their teeth when they read my responses and others such as you are quiet okay with them. A compliment is the reward I am looking for, which made my day. Thank you You are quiet wise yourself and I am looking forward to your replies to the many discussions in the forums. :) hahahaha!!!....it's extremely possible that you may also gnash your teeth at some of my replies!!!  I gave up subtlety for lent years ago.... and you were fishing for a compliment?...shame on you!...obviously baited your hook with the right children's character..
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That darn tigger! He is just in everyone's business isn't he! Ha ha too funny. Well thank you for the compliment. I am just expressing how I feel about the whole thing and am aware that many are grinding their teeth when they read my responses and others such as you are quiet okay with them. A compliment is the reward I am looking for, which made my day. Thank you You are quiet wise yourself and I am looking forward to your replies to the many discussions in the forums. :) hahahaha!!!....it's extremely possible that you may also gnash your teeth at some of my replies!!! I gave up subtlety for lent years ago.... and you were fishing for a compliment?...shame on you!...obviously baited your hook with the right children's character.. What I find amusing about the written language is that many can interpret it differently then what the writer means. You are reading words and trying to figure out what expressions may apply to them. Even though one would write a message that they truly believe as good and heartfelt can be interpreted negatively creating misunderstandings and unruly answers. Then we have to take in account that each country has a different style of humor that other cultures could find offensive. I mean I don't know how many dating sites in Australia are available where the majority that post in them are Australian sharing humor that could be totally different then what Americans can understand them although we speak the same language! The same goes for the Scots, Irish, and the English, or South Africans..New Zealanders, Wales,etc. etc. Then we have the problem with those that speak English as a second language understanding their idealogies on the matter of religion or whatever topic it may be. So I can't possibly take these chats seriously in written format as much as I would when I would see the person face to face with a nice glass of wine or beer near a beer garden or cafe. The problem is that it is hard to just sit at a cafe and ask a stranger to chat with me about philosophy or religion suddenly. Anyway I must really sound like a virgin when I contemplate about how one can take any discussion seriously in written format without seeing true expressions, feelings, and enthusiasm in it. I will just like to imagine that we sat in a small group and laid eyes on each other enjoying each others compliments and admiration sharing a glass of Fosters! At least that brings better results in our imagination doesn't it. :) |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Fri 04/15/11 09:21 PM
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Hmmm...I type like I speak, and certainly how I think...
and you are correct, there is a vast discrepancy between aussie humour and other countries...add to that perceptions and belief structures, the lack of the unspoken language, the subtle nuances of expression and the hit and miss prevails. I guess though, the more one interacts, the more one learns of the other...read enough of someone's posts and the one dimensional starts to fill out more. Aussie forums are not so great....not for 'dating' sites...Before moving over to here, I was on one that also linked to an international site...and the little that went on in the aussie forums was caustic , toxic, and at worst monosyllabic....turned the whole experience quite sour... Aussie men that came into it, were at best, remotely articulate and at worst, misogynistic arrogant neanderthals. So the appeal of the internation forums on the previous site was enticing....intelligence, wit, and clever wordsmanship abounded...yes, there were the odd monosyllabic neanderthal.... but most were like here...ironically, about 40/50 odd posters from the other site all arrived here enmasse....so many of us go back years and years...so have 'learnt' deeper aspects of each other... an ease....like old friends or family...an understanding of the character of the person, so an intonation becomes imprinted on the words... we have held hands....boosted and supported each other through challenges, applauded and cheered for each other in our triumphs...we have 'learnt' each other....and also 'earnt' each other. oh...and pssstt!!...we don't really drink Fosters...that's a myth.
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From one atom in the chaos... Hi! AB!...sorry, I didn't scroll back far enough....hello you! perhaps I was vibrating at E minor and missed you on Middle C... I am reading you and James to and fro-ing in your Questions thread....am fascinated! |
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