Cowboy...I notice you also didn't "typically" answer the question ....

so once again

if the message of prophecy wasn't Divinely inspired from God....then where did the message of prophecy spawn from? ....

It was a hypothesis, an educated guess.

And that has nothing to do with anything funches. Again WAS MERELY AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A PROPHECY IS.

Cowboy...the facts are...if you or anyone did not get your message of prophecy as a Divine Inspriration delivered by God, then you got it from Satan....this is why it's called false prophecy coming from a false prophet

what's next...you or your false prophet buddies are going to claim that you were given the prophecy of the exact time of judgement day without getting it from God

I guess it wouldn't matter if the bible or Jesus states that only God knows the time of Judgement Day.... according to you one does not need any aid from God to have a prophecy

learn your bible if you are going to preach from it

No, not true. AGAIN a prophecy DOES NOT have to be influenced by a divine being. Satan would be included in the divine area.



This form of prophecy would have to be influenced by a divine presence, yes. For it is associated with a divine being.

Cowboy...didn't Satan lose his divinity when he fell from grace ...

but anyway...you still have not answered the question... if the message of prophecy did not come from God....then from who or what did it come from

I did answer your question as followed below.



Again after again after again after again, a prophecy does NOT have to be inspired by a divine being. A prophecy is nothing more then a foreseen action(s) in the future.

we just discovered that a prophecy is a power that has to be delivered

if it is not delivered by God then who?


that is the question that you keep trying to find ways not to answer

all I trying to do is see if you are worshiping Satan ...

so far it appears that way

No again after again after again after again after again after again after again, it does NOT have to be delivered from an entity of any sort. It is only USUALLY from a divine source/being. But does NOT have to be.

What you are describing is a PREDICITION based on extrapolation of current events and patterns.

A PROPHECY is a pronouncement of future events that will occure outside of the events and patterns...

unforseen by pure thought alone.

That can only come from GOD.

since HE alone works 'outside' the pattern.

if you claim to be a Christian then you should know that prophecy not from a Divine source is what makes a false prophet

prophecy that did not come from God is then classified as being fortune telling and that falls into the realm of the occult

I constantly ask you if the power did not come from God then where does the bible claim it comes from ...

if you believe it comes from Satan then say so ...if you don't believe it comes from Satan then say where....if you don't know where the heck it comes from...then admit that you don't

Cowboy claims this:




1. Where do you get your information or is this just your opinion?

Wikipedia says this:

A prophecy is a process in which one or more messages that have been communicated to a true prophet[1] are then communicated to others by this true prophet. Such messages typically involve divine inspiration, interpretation, or revelation of conditioned events to come (cf. divine knowledge) as well as testimonies or repeated revelations that the world is divine. The process of prophecy especially involves reciprocal communication of the true prophet with the (divine) source of the messages.

Mere claimants of foreknowledge of future events – like fortunetellers, oracles, seers, diviners or autors of apocalypticism – are not considered true prophets.

Various concepts of prophecy are found throughout all of the world's religions and cults. To a certain degree prophecy can be an integral concept within any religion or cult. The term has found deep usage in two of the world's largest religious groups, Christianity and Islam, along with many others.[2]

In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.[1][2] The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.


So my question has always been, how can one tell the difference between what religion call a "true prophet" from any other kind of prophet?

Are not considered to be true prophets by whom? Christians.

Christians deny everything that isn't based directly on their concept of the biblical "God". But who cares about their opinions? Only other Christians!

Actually any form of divination would be "True Prophecy" if it was indeed divinely inspired (which is what "divination" means). Therefore if it's wasn't divinely inspired then it wasn't "divination" to begin with.

Actually, most of the stories in the Bible were supposedly inspired by God speaking to people in dreams. On rare occasions he spoke to people from a burning bush or a cloud or something like that. But usually it was just in a dream which is the basis of Shamanism anyway.

So if God speaks to us in our dreams, then our dreams are valid sources of divination and therefore valid "prophecy".

In fact, this is the very basis of Shamanic Journeying. It's a means of communicating with the divine source.

"Are not considered to be true prophets by whom? Christians. "


EXACTLY.

The way I understand it, if a person is a Christian and can see the future and praises Jesus Christ as giving her the vision, then she is a true prophet.

If a person is not a Christian and sees visions of the future, no matter how accurate they are, then she is a "false prophet" or she is a pawn of Satan.

Its the same old B.S.

The definition you posted says the exact same thing I've been saying. This is part of the definition you posted



NOTICE TYPICALLY. This states does not always have to be, just usually it is. So what you posted only supports what I've been saying.

A false prophet doesn't necessarily mean that person is or isn't a Christian. Being a Christian or not means nothing to when it comes to a false prophet. A false prophet is someone whom states a prophecy that does not come true. For instance, one could say they prophesy a meteor hitting the Earth in two weeks. Two weeks passes by, the meteor never hits the Earth. Thus it was a false prophecy, thus it was a false prophet. Wouldn't matter one bit if that person was a Christian or not.

Cowboy you do NOT speak for all of Christiandom. I am telling you how it is. This is how MOST Christians define the difference between a true prophet and a false prophet.

You act as if you are the spokesperson for all of Christianity.

I hope you know that I consider what you say as just your single opinion, and I do not take your words to be anything more than your opinion.

Well good for you. But I wasn't speaking specifically for Christianity when I gave definitions. Christianity doesn't have it's own definitions for things. A false prophet can be someone who proclaims to be a Christian claiming a certain "prophecy" they SAY they have seen, but does not come true. A false prophet can be someone who doesn't have faith in Christianity, proclaiming that a certain thing is going to happen and it doesn't. The only one's who give titles such as "Christians" and such are people that lack the faith thereof. I'm nothing special compared to anyone else. I only have the "Christian" title cause of people that lack of faith thereof. I follow the laws given to us by our heavenly father. Weather you wish to call that a Christian, a Jahovah witness, a liar, a fool, or anything else is totally up to you. But now that I think of it, a Christian could NEVER be a false prophet. The root word of Christian is CHRIST. A Christian is someone whom follows the laws given to us by our Christ to the best of our ability. So if someone is claiming to be a Christian, they could NEVER be a false prophet, for our Christ would never spread lies.

When I think of "Christians" I typically think of the authoritarian of an established religion anyway, not merely the followers who just happen to accept that label because they supposedly accepted Christ as their savior.

I'm sure that the authors of the bible would not accept anyone's prophecy that did not come from them.

Even within their writings they accuse other people who have divination to have been inspired by Satan. That's how they deal with that. There's even a story in the Bible where a King goes to a witch to have a seance with a dead saint. He gains his knowledge from that witch's divination. But theologians today claim that the witch must have gotten her information from Satan.

So in that sense, even when the prophecies of other people come true, the "Christians" still denied divinity as being the source of the information.

But that's what these people have been doing all along. Even the scriptures have the Jewish Scribes and Pharisees accusing Jesus of gaining his powers from Satan.

Jesus answers them saying that Satan cannot work against himself or his kingdom would fall. Like as if that is proof that his GOOD WORKS necessarily must have come from God.

Well, if we accept what Jesus said in that regard then that would need to apply to "Witches", "Shamans", "Magicians" or anyone who does GOOD works view divination, magick, or any other spiritual seance of communication.

If the end result is GOOD, then like Jesus said, "It could only have come from God, because if it came from Satan then Satan would be divided against himself and his kingdom would fall.

So in other words, anytime that a Wiccan uses magick or divination to do something GOOD, according to Jesus himself, that magick can ONLY have come from God, for the very same reasons that his very own healing powers could ONLY have come from God!

To claim that GOOD came from Satan is an oxymoron. Even Jesus recognized this according to the Gospels.

So the Gospels have Jesus siding with anyone who using magick or divination to do GOOD.

And the Christians are WRONG!

They simply aren't paying attention to what the gospels have Jesus SUPPORTING!

Jesus necessarily HAS TO SUPPORT Wicca, and Buddhism when those spiritual traditions are used to do GOOD. Because he has already demanded that no GOOD can come from Satan lest Satan's kingdom would be divided among itself and fall.

So Jesus SUPPORTS all religions and spiritual traditions from which GOOD emanants. Even himself Jesus acknowledges that this must be the case.

Any so-called "Christian" who disagrees with this is then disagreeing with their very own LORD and SAVIOR.

Since only GOOD comes from the Wiccan magick and divinations that I have ever performed, then I know that the POWER behind them must necessarily come from God, because, like Jesus points out, it can't very well come from anywhere else.

So this confirms that I'm just as "godly" as Jesus.

To claim that it comes from Satan is a lie, and Jesus himself points that out!

Any "Witch" who does GOOD, is necessarily a "Godly Witch", it can be no other way, because Satan cannot do GOOD according to Jesus himself.

So the Christians have it all wrong. They simply aren't paying attention to what Jesus has said.

Well many people who call themselves "Christians" do spread lies, and they often spread them in the name of Jesus as "the Christ".

For example, to claim that Wiccans do not worship God or get their magical powers from God would be a lie. Yet there are many "Christians" who do indeed take that stance.

Like I've already pointed out, Jesus would not be in agreement with those so-called "Christians"

And like Mahatma Gandhi points out, "Christians are so unlike their Christ".

If I do good works through Wicca then God must necessarily be the source of my power. For Jesus tells us so! He says that Satan cannot do good works lest he be divided against his own kingdom.

So Christians who do not recognize good Wiccans as being honorable children of God who have been bestowed with the gift of magick from God himself are in grave denial of the very words of Jesus.

He may. He doesn't specifically support "Christianity" alone. For Jesus spoke nothing of "Christianity". Again, the root word of Christianity is Christ, our christ would be Jesus. The ONLY problem with the other beliefs as you mention Wiccan and what not is they do not put Jesus in front of it. That is the ONLY main reason Christianity is more true then the other's. Jesus is our Christ. And because of the lack of faith in this, other beliefs fall short of the glory of God. That is what Christianity is about, it is about honoring Jesus and obeying his commandments he has given us.