The verse you posted said the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.

Are you saying that God's name is David?

anyone can make a claim of prophecy,...and that is why the bible have placed in failsafes to prevent this....this is why a prophecy is either from God or from a false prophet, you can take your pick...but the bible do warn believers to "Beware of False Prophets.....don't they teach you this stuff in Sunday School?

since you claim that you have the ability of prophecy....then let's test it...kindly give the winning lotto numbers for tomorrow ...

Yes anyone can make a prophecy. A prophecy is merely something seen to happen in the future. It doesn't have to be something divine or anything. And yes it is said "beware of false prophets". I said nothing of the future in this reference though. My "prophecy" was merely an example to show what a prophecy was. Again a prophecy doesn't have to be divine, it is merely a future happening.

So a weather forecast is prophecy?

I still want to know who David is and why people often claim that Jesus is the son of David.

No Jesus' "dad's" name was David. Their language wasn't as "complicated" as ours. They didn't have a lot of similes that can mean the same thing. My dad is my father, your dad is your father. That is why Jesus specifically says things along the lines of "our father WHO ART IN HEAVEN". This gives specific mentioning so that it wouldn't be confused with his father on Earth, David.

So Mary, who turns up pregnant and claims she has "known no man" and is a virgin, actually did conceive a child with David?

No. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost. David is referred to as the father of Jesus cause he was the male figure that raised Jesus. He was the head of the house.

Really? I thought that was Joesph.

Interesting...

I thought Joseph raised Jesus.

David was an ancient King of Israel...

Father of Solomon.

Sorry, I apologize. You are correct. Again, I deeply apologize. Think I'm gonna call it a short night. It's been a long day and I'm obviously not thinking straight. Again I apologize with the most sincere heart.

This will clarify the question at hand.

The phrase “House of David” is not surprisingly thought to mean the family or the descendants of David. It denotes the kingly line of Judah and all those who had David as their physical forefather.

"For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost ..."


The seed of David actually was from Mary according to what I have read. But its all too confusing...



."A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ THE SON OF DAVID, the son of Abraham: Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse, and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife, Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, and Josiah the father of Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Eliud, Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ. This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, ‘Joseph SON OF DAVID, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.’" Matthew 1:1-20

Mary is of the line of David.

ergo 'seed of David'

DNA of David (in more modern terms).

You do it constantly, and quite underhandedly actually, in a way that deserves absolutely no respect whatsoever.

You say things like:



There, you've just judged everyone who is a non-believer to be "dening Jesus".

This is, in fact, the extremely underhanded brainwashing scheme of Christianity in general. But it's a LIE. It cannot be true because it's based on a falsehood. To not believe in the biblical hearsay rumors of Jesus is not the same as "denying Jesus". To claim otherwise is a LIE. Christianity is basically founded on a LIE.

If you can't see that, then there isn't much I can do to help you. But this should be obvious even to you. I'm sure there a lot of stories that you don't believe in. Does that mean that you are "denying them". No, not at all. It just means that you have reasons for not believing them.

These "jealous God" religions that demand that their God will condemn "non-believers" are themselves foolish religions. They are based on an obvious lie to begin with.

You say:


We've done that Cowboy, on many occasions. It always ends precisely the same way. We cannot find mutual ground.

Why not? Because you demand that your interpretations must stand, and you won't accept anything less than that. And I'm not about to accept your interpretations. You're not about to accept mine. And thus it will forever be impossible for us to ever come to a consensus.

Here you go:

I point out that the scriptures themselves have Jesus saying the following:


John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.


Here Jesus is saying that he will not judge anyone for not believing in him or in his words. Thus Jesus is stating clearly that it is not important to believe in him specifically.

Moreover, he supposed said this to people that he was speaking to directly live and in person face-to-face.

Well, if he wasn't going to judge anyone for not believing in him in person, then how much less would he expect anyone to believe in hearsay rumors of the New Testament that were written by other men much later in history?

Clearly these scriptures have Jesus himself stating clearly that he will not judge anyone for not believing in him.

Yet you demand otherwise!

I totally disagree with your stance on these scriptures. And there's no way that you're ever going to convince me otherwise because you can't go back and re-write these stories.

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Then you usually toss the very next verse right back in my face.


John.12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


So when you can't use by disbelieve in Jesus to condemn me directly, you desperately try to use this next verse to condemn me instead.

But I have a totally different interpretation of this verse as well.

You run around seeking "words" of Jesus that YOU can use to condemn me, like pointing out that Jesus said, "Deny me before men and I will deny you before my father".

You're trying very hard to use the scriptures to condemn me unless I cower down to YOUR INTERPRETATIONS and confess that Jesus is "The Christ" and that I must worship him as "Lord".

That's your unquenchable Goal.

Until you can obtain that goal you will use everything in your power to try to get these scriptures to condemn me. You can't allow that I can not acknowledge Jesus as "The Christ" and get away without being condemned. That's not permissible in your Christian world. You're world demand total religious bigotry, and nothing less will do!

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But that verse is entirely inapplicable here, because to not believe in Jesus it not the same as "denying" him.

I understand what Jesus meant in John 12:48 in terms of Buddhism. Jesus basically taught the 12 laws of karma. He didn't bother numbering them, but he taught the same philosophy. All he was tryin to say in John 12:47 and 48 was to explain to people that it's not important to believe in him (the man), but what is really important is to understand the message that he was teaching (i.e. the words he was saying)

Well, the message that he was teaching was not the message of doom and gloom that you think! He was trying to teach the philosophy that the Eastern Mystics already knew all about. In fact, here it is:


Luke.6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:


That's the WORD, my friend. And it's called "karma".

And I'll gladly be "judged by the word".

So I have no problem with any of this.

You're the one who's out to condemn people in Jesus' name if they refuse to cower down to your religious bigotry, not me.

You're the one who's spitting in the face of Jesus by refusing to allow Him to speak for himself.

You're the one who's demanding who Jesus will judge or not judge, and who he will condemn or not condemn!

So we're not talking about specific people here. You're not pointing at a specific individual and saying. "Hey you're going to hell!" That's now what you're doing. You're basically judging and condemning anyone and everyone who refuses to acknowledge Jesus as "The Christ" via your interpretations of ancient scriptures.

It is in that sense that you are condemning people in the name of Jesus as "The Christ". You are basically condemning anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Jesus was "The Christ".

But it goes FAR BEYOND THAT Cowboy.

I could even argue that Jesus was indeed a messenger "sent by God" to set the Jews straight. Because they were worshiping a FALSE GOD in their TORAH!

Jesus taught them to quit behaving the way the Torah teaches and to love each other instead, and follow the wisdom and teachings of Buddhism instead.

But you won't allow for that kind of "Christ".

So you're not just demanding that people believe that Jesus was the "Son of God", you're also demanding that they must accept the God of YOUR MAKING! (i.e. the God of the Old Testament who hates homosexuality, blah, blah, blah).

So you're not just out to sell people on Jesus, but you're going to then use Jesus as a means to uphold the very things that Jesus himself renounced! Plus you're going to use Jesus to renounce all "non-Christian" forms or worshiping God, etc, etc, etc.

It starts out as a little "Bigotry Wagon" and ends up becoming an extremely long "Bigotry Wagon TRAIN".

That's my view.

Christianity, as you preach it, has become nothing more than the epitome of religious intolerance.

Everyone who refuses to convert to Christianity will be condemned int he name of Jesus "The Christ Almighty!"

Can you not see the evil in that?

It's a train-wrecked religion.

If there was any truth to the man named Jesus it has long since been lost and twisted into nothing more than extremely religious bigotry.

It has now become nothing more than a religion that spreads the hatred of God to everyone who refuses to cower down to it's bigoted demands.

In fact, you even need to attack science in order to support this bigoted religion. We can't have Adam and Eve evolving from primates, that just doesn't fit the story.

So science is OUT the window as well!

The only way this religion can survive into the future is if we get everyone to subscribe to ignorance. It's never going to work.

We're far better off recognizing it for what it is, and moving forward. Stop trying to use it to condemn everyone who refuses to support it.

And that's exactly what you do when you claim that anyone who "denies Jesus as the Christ" will be condemned.

That the very same thing as saying, "Anyone who refuses to support Christian bigotry and superstitious ignorance will be condemned by God".

It's old hat.

Let's try to move on to a better, more enlightened world.

Because if we discuss "scriptures" all you're going to do is try to use them to condemn anyone who refuses to cower down to the worst possible view of God. And there's nothing healthy in that.

Christianity will never be happy until it's the last religion standing! It's out to assimilate all other philosophies and intellectual endeavors. It can't even peacefully coexist scientific knowledge. In order for Christianity to survive even science must die!

It's an ancient myth who's time has long since passed.

UNTIL God thru the Power of His Holy Spirit

DRAWS an individual unto Himself,

that individual will NOT believe or receive the Words of the Bible.


Much less Understand.



THUS..it quite UNDERSTANDABLE for that individual to NOT

believe or receive .....

UNTIL that appointed time when God

DOES draw that individual unto Himself.......and opens his/her

spiritual eyes.


Until then ,the Word will appear as nonsense.


That is why "discussing" the Word of God on the forum usually ends

up being fruitless.

And pointless.


The gospel is for WHOSOEVER WILL.....

NOT for whosoever WON't....or isn't quite READY to believe.

Yet.


God has given each and every individual a certain measure of

Faith.

BUT....ONLY God knows that time in each person's life,

WHEN that person IS ready to believe and receive.



God gives every man a chance.....and will DRAW every one unto

Himself .....at... just ...the... right... time.

God KNOWS when that person is READY....and WHEN that time will be.


Until then...sometimes it is BEST to just pray for one

another...or just share personal testimonies ....

or better yet....just say nothing.


IF a Word shared on this board is not received...

stop...

let it rest....

say nothing more.



Shared from the heart...in Love.


(((((((Hugs from the Heart for All)))))))))

Too bad all Christians don't believe like you MorningSong. There would be no such thing as evangelism for evangelism would be utterly pointless.

Based on what you've just said here a person cannot chose to believe or disbelieve on their own. It's not up to them to decide. It's up to God to decide when He's going to "draw them in".

It would be nice if all Christians had that much faith in God. These proselytizers who desperately try to convince people to 'believe' in their interpretations of scriptures have absolutely no faith in God at all do 'draw anyone in'.

They simply don't trust God to save the righteous. They have no trust in God at all. They worship dogma only and have convinced themselves that only by worshiping dogma can a person be "saved".

I trust God far more than they do, and I always have.

Cowboy...if the information for the prophecy did not come from God....then please explain where the information for the prophecy came from....perhaps from Satan?.....if you can not explain this...then that would mean that you are promoting false prophets

because you claim to be Christian do not mean you can just make stuff up....that is call "preaching a false gospel" ...how does doing this glorify your God

Prophecy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Prophecy (disambiguation)

A prophecy is a process in which one or more messages that have been communicated to a true prophet are then communicated to others by this true prophet. Such messages typically involve divine inspiration, interpretation, or revelation of conditioned events to come (cf. divine knowledge) as well as testimonies or repeated revelations that the world is divine. The process of prophecy especially involves reciprocal communication of the true prophet with the (divine) source of the messages.

Mere claimants of foreknowledge of future events – like fortunetellers, oracles, seers, diviners or autors of apocalypticism – are not considered true prophets.

ok that explains it...Cowboy must have received the prophecy that I will have to use the rest room from God and then "Cowboy the prophet" relayed the message to me .....

and God said unto Cowboy ...BEHOLD...for it is written that thine sinner Funches shalt eat of the fruit and then later have to use the rest room to replenish what he hath eaten back to the Earth ....Mingles2 3:16

Did you notice this part of the definition Funches? Did you notice TYPICALLY involve divine inspiration. TYPICALLY. Does NOT HAVE to be divine inspired, only usually but again not always.