Besides, isn't attractiveness and beauty subjective?

Is beauty objective or subjective?

I say objective. There is a beauty, and its approximations. If beauty was TRULY subjective, we'd find a coke bottle or a centipede or a grocery store sexually alluring, too.

But we don't.

There are infinitely more things that are not beautiful in the sexually arousing sense than beautiful ones.

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I know what you are going to say: Fetishes. True fetishes, when a person falls in love with their chest of drawers, or a table leg, or a tapioca sandwitch.

These people (religious, please cover your eyes) have undergone a mutation in the formation of their self, and the gene that used to select "sexual beauty" for his forefathers mutated into selecting beauties a different way.

You see, beauty and attractiveness and being lovable is an evolutionary trait. The more you feel like loving a human, the more you are apt to pass down your genes; the more you feel like loving a laundry hamper, the less it is likely that you will pass down your genes.

Evolution never stops; it produces fetish-deviants, (who are not the same as moral deviants and I am not promoting hatred of any form or degree against them) all the time, for the entire history of mankind. The reason we have disproportionately more beautiful-people lovers than haytack-lovers, is that the beautiful people-lovers have a 100 percent more chance of making people just like themselves, over the haystack lover, who has no chance of making people like himself or herself.

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This applies to beauty of humans.

Some people say Marilyn Monroe was more beautyful than Raquel Welsh, or Golda Meyr. But there are peopel for each woman on earth who will have a definite opinion that she is very beautiful.

This is because mutations on the genes that tell us what to like can mutate small, as well as big. A big mutation will tell us to love the stool or ottoman. A small mutation will tell us to love people with long, hooked noses. Or with ears that stick out. Or who slurp their soup, and pick their noses with chopsticks.

Whatever. The amount of subjective beauty perceived is determined by the sum vector of the "beauty perception" genes of the observer.

An observer is programmed to see beauty, and a different person may have a different programming (by inherited genes). Furthermore, while in the early ages of humans every one liked only one kind of beauty, the mixing of the genes allowed us to like an entire selection of different beauties.

There have been international studies made on what makes a man or a woman beautiful. Some body ratios, height, whatever, are the well-documented indicators.

But you'll be surprised to hear that there is no ugly person, which is the opposite to beauty. Everyone seems beautiful to some in the world. They may not seem the MOST beautiful, but beautiful nevertheless.

My first post wasn't very clear, I hope this is better.

You're using the words thin and skinny, then saying an extra 20, 40 or 100 pounds. That contradicts what you're saying, because thin and skinny do not mean extra weight. Perhaps those aren't the words you really meant to use?

Either way, I disagree with you, as everyone has different preferences. If we all thought the same about beauty, we'd all think the same people are beautiful/handsome and that just isn't the case.

They are the words I mean to use. Thin and skinny aren't OBJECTIVE descriptions, they are subjective. There are men who think Christina Hendricks is obese, I think she's thin. Everybody has their own definitions in their heads for subjective words. The standard of beauty is objective, almost everyone looks for someone who they consider thin vs someone they consider fat. The point is that we don't disagree on what makes someone beautiful, we disagree on what degree of each aspect we personally consider attractive. And while I'm at it we also disagree on the importance of each aspect. For some people, weight doesn't matter much, for others it's the most important aspect.



The problem I have with this statement is that you don't understand what I'm saying, but you say "Either way, I disagree with you". That's fine, but I hope you don't write off every idea simply because you don't understand it.

You seem to think that because I disagree with your opinion, I don't understand it. You have your own opinion, just as I have mine.

Then I'm sure you can explain it in a different way in order to make yourself more clear. If you're disagreeing with me when I say skinny doesn't mean extra weight, can you show me an example that proves that wrong? When is skinny used to describe someone who does have extra weight?

I don't understand this either. I always thought skinny meant underweight. Thin or slender good weight. Maybe I am missing something too.

Then I'm sure you can explain it in a different way in order to make yourself more clear. If you're disagreeing with me when I say skinny doesn't mean extra weight, can you show me an example that proves that wrong? When is skinny used to describe someone who does have extra weight?

Skinny
(of a person or part of their body) unattractively thin:

Yeah, I'm totally lost here too now, OP...

My point was, NO! Beauty is not subjective, not between you and the person that you're with... it's what you feel in the moment. Is she beautiful in YOUR eyes? Your point of view at that particular moment is Gospel...
What you think should be taken for granted, isn't what's being asked... It's an asking for confirmation/validation...right now, in this moment.
Can we not just tell people so? That we care... see them as important to us? Beautiful.

There's a difference between someone asking if they are beautiful/attractive and them telling you that they are.

What I find attractive will often be different from other people, so obviously, I will have a different idea of what skinny means.

And that's why attractiveness/beauty is subjective.

Someone you may think is beautiful may not be someone I think is beautiful.

or does anyone else find it a bit off putting when people have to say (or write/type/whatever) they are attractive? Besides, isn't attractiveness and beauty subjective?

or does anyone else find it a bit off putting when people have to say (or write/type/whatever) they are attractive? Besides, isn't attractiveness and beauty subjective?